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psilo.jts
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Creating an easy but optimal Bulk substrate setup using BRF cakes
#23383062 - 06/26/16 06:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I have three BRF cakes that have been inside the SGFC for 28 days now without any success. I already went over on another thread I created on how to save them and make the best out of my situation and changed things around so that they wouldn't be so dried out and without results. So my question is from all of you wonderful people on this great site, is what would be the best way of going about turning these cakes into a bulk setup. Maybe place them in a freezer bag and crumbling them up and then mixing what ever materials to colonize inside a gladwear container. Problem is I have no pressure cooker, so what ever would be used would have to be able to be sterilized without one and just go through long term steam sterilization. So does anybody have any wisdom that they can pass on? What should I let the mycelium colonize onto/into? and then what to use as a casing? I feel that at this point going down a route of changing to a mini bulk for these couple cakes would be the only way to get the most out of these desperate cakes.
Thanks for any information and taking your time to help explain to me, a beginner, in the growing of these amazing fruits.
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Re: Creating an easy but optimal Bulk substrate setup using BRF cakes [Re: psilo.jts]
#23383065 - 06/26/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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if they have been fruiting for a month with no success, then they are trash. there will be no saving them.
give us more info. did you let them colonize fully and consolidate before putting in the SGFC? did you dunk and roll after birth? pics of the setup? etc.
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psilo.jts
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Re: Creating an easy but optimal Bulk substrate setup using BRF cakes [Re: mupetmower]
#23383080 - 06/26/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh yes they colonized 100% and consolidated. problem is that I had them getting dried out due to them being in an area was in a cross breeze was going through the chamber, and a fan was next to my bed blowing on me bc im on the second floor of an apartment that gets VERY hot, so it also had fan air going to it. which btw they are no longer in this position and are doing better. I dunked the original three cakes for 20 hours when I first birthed them. then I rolled them in sterilized verm. but ideally I just learned that its best to submerge them in verm so it sticks to it very well. when rolled it doesn't create a very good layer. so anyway I re dunked em about a week ago when about three pins weren't growing anymore after about 10 days of being there, but they aborted after the dunk. but since that they are pinning more. but only two out of the original three are pinning, but still only a few pins. I just added three more cakes that I had consolidating for about a week and a half and did the dunk for 20hrs then submerged them in verm. they look much better. I will take pics on my phone and upload them so I have pics of the older cakes(which have some pins that are doing well). but I would still like to get more out of em by turning these into bulk since I didn't do everything to the best in the beginning.
Edited by psilo.jts (06/26/16 06:22 AM)
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Re: Creating an easy but optimal Bulk substrate setup using BRF cakes [Re: psilo.jts]
#23383090 - 06/26/16 06:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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well, its too late to crumble to bulk, IMO. just be patient, and hopefully the new cakes will do better, now that conditions are more favorable. other than, that, im not sure what to tell you. even with the fan and stuff, it is strange that nothing grew. but just let them do their thing, and see what happens. in the mean time, i would start more jars.
you are misting them when dry right? and then letting them dry before misting again, yeah?
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psilo.jts
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Re: Creating an easy but optimal Bulk substrate setup using BRF cakes [Re: mupetmower]
#23383105 - 06/26/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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ahh thatd be a bummer. a fella from my other thread explained to me what he did with a couple cakes that weren't preforming for him about the same length as time as mine, so what he did was crumble them and added them to a glad wear container that had about 1" of verm on the bottom, added the myc, then added another layer of about 1/4" of verm ontop. he closed the lid and put it away in a dark place for about 7 days and let it colonize. then he said he added it back to the fruiting chamber and within 5 days he had 9gs of dry weight worth. he showed the picture of em in the container and everything. so I was wondering if their was a better way of doing it instead of using just verm.

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Re: Creating an easy but optimal Bulk substrate setup using BRF cakes [Re: psilo.jts]
#23383109 - 06/26/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i mean, you can do what you want, but i personally would just let the fruit how they are. looks like you have some pins, now, so things should start looking up for you, now.
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psilo.jts
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Re: Creating an easy but optimal Bulk substrate setup using BRF cakes [Re: psilo.jts]
#23383110 - 06/26/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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the cakes with pins are the old cakes. the bottom ones I just added yesterday.
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Re: Creating an easy but optimal Bulk substrate setup using BRF cakes [Re: psilo.jts]
#23383116 - 06/26/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh word, then yeh, thats good. if those old ones are pinning, then the new ones certainly should.
what i do, is mist until pins are a little bigger than the biggest one you have, and then i start to bottom water them, while still give very, very light misting, every now and then, until the flush is done. there are many ways to go about, though. just do what ends up working best for you, and your environment.
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Edited by mupetmower (06/26/16 06:47 AM)
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psilo.jts
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Re: Creating an easy but optimal Bulk substrate setup using BRF cakes [Re: mupetmower]
#23383122 - 06/26/16 06:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yea your right I guess I should just let em be instead of making it more difficult since I fixed it yesterday with the help and instructions of other members. and thanks for the advise man. and how would you go about bottom water them like you said since the pins are getting larger. and yea it gets VERY hot in my upstairs room in the apartment building. its crazy, so I was worried about the 80-88 degrees.
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Re: Creating an easy but optimal Bulk substrate setup using BRF cakes [Re: psilo.jts]
#23383132 - 06/26/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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well, i use these tiny metal coasters i found at Goodwill. they are just barely larger than the cakes, and lip up a little on the edges, letting me put in like 1mm of water. so i just let the cakes sit on these, and just put the 1mm of waster in them, when i am ready. then i change the water out daily. if i see that the cake isnt absorbing a lot of the water, though, i stop doing it. or if a certain cake did get many pins, i wont do it. just depends.
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