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Re: DEA will soon announce if it will reclassify Marijuana [Re: badchad]
    #23390144 - 06/28/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Eventually in the future you will see the people changing laws on a state level and calling the bluff of the feds to come in and enforece their laws. You can already see this in medical and recreational marijuana states. They'll never have the manpower. Fuck em!


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Re: DEA will soon announce if it will reclassify Marijuana [Re: Starstepper]
    #23393079 - 06/29/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So this may be bullshit?

http://www.snopes.com/is-marijuana-moving-to-schedule-2/

And it might be true?


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Re: DEA will soon announce if it will reclassify Marijuana [Re: badchad]
    #23393398 - 06/29/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It's highly unlikely MJ would be regulated as a drug with medical benefits. It doesn't meet that definition.




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Re: DEA will soon announce if it will reclassify Marijuana [Re: Citizen X]
    #23393429 - 06/29/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They used torture implements on their belts to dispossess and cage the citizens at gunpoint, while themselves playing active roles in the drug trade -- notoriously guarding poppy fields, trafficking into inner cities, and arming cartels.

They're giving the bare minimum level of concession -- basically, throwing you some crumbs -- to avoid culpability on their own part.

This movement to treat drug use as a medical issue and not a crime has been gaining traction, worldwide, for some 20-25 years, of which I am aware.

They stand to take the blame and are grasping at straws.


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Re: DEA will soon announce if it will reclassify Marijuana [Re: durian_2008]
    #23393615 - 06/29/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

In San Francisco on 4/20 thousands upon thousands of people swarm into golden gate park and smoke a ton of weed. The police just stand there. News helicopters circling up above.

Some of the cops have this really guilty look on their faces, pure shame. Each 4/20 that passes, that they work, just proves the point that their drug enforcement in wrong. It's oppressive and causes much more harm than the drugs themselves.


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Re: DEA will soon announce if it will reclassify Marijuana [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23393818 - 06/29/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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badchad said:
It's highly unlikely MJ would be regulated as a drug with medical benefits. It doesn't meet that definition.




:orly: :ilold:




One of the legal definitions of "Currently accepted medical use" is FDA approval. This usually requires two "large and well-controlled clinical trials."  This generally means a placebo trial, usually consisting of a few hundred patients (at least).

You'd be hard pressed to find a single clinical trial of MJ including more than say, 50 subjects. A legal definition of medical use isn't achieved by individuals asserting it.


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Re: DEA will soon announce if it will reclassify Marijuana [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23407415 - 07/03/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

From your first article: "If the FDA came out and said we are making cannabis Schedule II and the entire industry didn't change, the whole industry would be illegally trafficking a Schedule II substance," says Hank Levy, a CPA for marijuana companies...

But the while industry is already trafficking a Schedule I substance. So, would this rescheduling be such a problem for the industry because of the limelight of scrutiny under which the industry would be cast?

Meh, maybe initially problematic if the clinical trials were set up for failure, but why would they be set up for failure if they were trying to make money from legalizing?

I doubt a new president will more aggressively arrest the entrepreneurs in all 24 MM states, leave just the plant illegal and have only pill-form available like opium. This could happen but we've all seen the ability of the "black" market to adapt. 3D printers will easily be able to make pills that should be indistinguishable from the Pharma prescribed and regulated pills.


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Re: DEA will soon announce if it will reclassify Marijuana [Re: dwnlw2slw]
    #23409155 - 07/04/16 02:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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From your first article: "If the FDA came out and said we are making cannabis Schedule II and the entire industry didn't change, the whole industry would be illegally trafficking a Schedule II substance," says Hank Levy, a CPA for marijuana companies...

But the while industry is already trafficking a Schedule I substance. So, would this rescheduling be such a problem for the industry because of the limelight of scrutiny under which the industry would be cast?




Its a problem because of federal preemption :

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The DEA Lawyer had told the lawyer representing a DEA informant of the DEA's plan to legalize medicinal cannibis nationwide on August 1, 2016. When questioned by our reporter, the DEA lawyer felt compelled to admit the truth to him as well.

"Whatever the law may be in California, Arizona or Utah or any other State, because of Federal preemption this will have the effect of making THC products legal with a prescription, in all 50 states," the DEA attorney told the Observer. Federal Preemption is a legal doctrine that where the US Government regulates a particular field, State and local laws are overridden and of no effect




http://www.smobserved.com/story/2016/06/18/news/us-govt-will-legalize-marijuana-on-august-1/1484.html?v=dea


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Re: DEA will soon announce if it will reclassify Marijuana [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23409169 - 07/04/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This would be the only logical action to take.  Cannabis does not meet any of the criteria to be schedule one.  Free the medicine.


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Re: DEA will soon announce if it will reclassify Marijuana [Re: drolman]
    #23409546 - 07/04/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Federal oversight as a CII substance would be terrible. If it was suddenly as scrutinized as any adderall, oxycodone, or other CII prescription. Hopefully dispensaries/clubs/collectives wont have to act like pharmacies, would kill all the momentum of the legal cannabis trade. But just looking at history, whats ahead? We are already in the days of dabs where many people dont even actual actual canna-plant matter and just smoke shatter. Next step? Orally active pill-based thc or streamlined products like cigarettes. Thats what dispensaries are already trying to do (soda infusions, candy, etc) but since the dispensaries are "mom and pop" they cant form a huge Marlboro-like franchise....but this will* happen, and thats a best case scenario. Oh, cannabis will be legal alright, but will it be cannabis as we know it today?

Like in that article, from opium being raw P. Somniferum to how it is now: pressed into pills as just RX M357

Marlboro Shatter (but probably all kinds of additives, and zero concern for the well being of their customers)


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Re: DEA will soon announce if it will reclassify Marijuana [Re: Fractal420]
    #23414256 - 07/05/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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