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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23379821 - 06/25/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

your responses are laughable, I'm not sure if like enlil you're facetiously sticking to exact vocabulary or if you're truly unable to understand why that was a shitty example outside of it's matching vocabulary.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
    #23379846 - 06/25/16 06:25 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

And it still changes nothing. Go sooth that butthurt.

Words have meanings. They don't change because you can't grasp them.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23379870 - 06/25/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

ah, so that is it, you truly don't understand the disconnect between the intent of what was said versus the exact letter of what was written.

please call me butthurt again out of a lack of anything to add here except "words have meanings, they are in the dictionary, there's no way anyone can ever interpret things from intention of what's being said, all words stick by strict definitions all the time"

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
    #23379875 - 06/25/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Still changes nothing.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23379880 - 06/25/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah between the shills on here and the censorship. This really has become a joke. But since we are exposing what's really here their influence is waning. (If they ever had much)

All prohibition increases unregulated markets and makes tracking number said items harder. How will this solve gun violence?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23380248 - 06/25/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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All prohibition increases unregulated markets and makes tracking number said items harder. How will this solve gun violence?




    You can't buy or own any machine gun built after 1986 or something .  It is illegal as fuck to own modern shit and if one was to make it onto the black market it would come back on the manufacturer or whoever is supposed to have it . You won't find cool new shit on the black market  due to gun laws applied directly to manufactures .  The laws in place make it easier to keep track of them .
    We've had an assault weapons ban before it didn't make them more available or harder to keep track of . 


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Despite its limited duration, studies show that the federal assault weapon ban resulted in a marked decrease in the use of assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines in crime.  One study found that in several major cities, the share of recovered crime guns that were as





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and January 2013 by Mayors Against Illegal Guns found that incidents where assault weapons or large capacity ammunition magazines were used resulted in 135% more people shot and 57% more killed, compared to other mass shootings.4




http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/classes-of-weapons/assault-weapons/


  Gun regulations applied to manufacturing work very well . Your theory is bullshit .

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut]
    #23380299 - 06/25/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

If only the real issue was criminals with weapons. It is not.

The real reason governments try so hard for gun control when we know they don't have our best interests in mind being from lying about weapons of mass destruction to start false wars.

Lying about healing herbs and fungi. This is all documented and well known here.

The real reason these governments who have been proven to lie to us to negatively impact our health to benefit their influence, is an armed populace can keep governments and banks accountable.

No more
Bailouts when the armed people start taking back their country. This is the real reason for gun control but the consolidated mass media would never spill this secret



Just as they incorrectly redefined the second amendment to be about hunting when clearly it also was there to keep a tyrannical government in check.


Question: is a government that lies about weapons of mass destruction to start false wars privately funded that destroyed our economy ( all factual) as tyrannical?


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23380316 - 06/25/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Also provide proof for your claim that new weapons don't find its way to unregulated markets.

Bc I've seen Mexican gangs heavily armed with recent arms and wasn't there a large scandal involving our government and illegal arms trading south of the boarder?


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UNDENIABLE PROOF A MODERATOR (Enlil) USES FRAUDULENT POSTS TO SUPOORT HIS OPINIONS.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23596771#23596771 ; anyone can verify my original post in its unedited format. This proves the length the disinfo whores will go to defend pseudo theories. What quack jobs. Time to get out of moms basement.

One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23380487 - 06/25/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Bc I've seen Mexican gangs heavily armed with recent arms and wasn't there a large scandal involving our government and illegal arms trading south of the boarder?




  Those were guns you and I can go buy , not machine guns only the military would have . Not only that those weapons were purchased through illegal sales at gun dealers .
  From my article .
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In addition, a joint report by scholars in Mexico and the United States found that semi-automatic assault rifles sold in the U.S. are the most sought after and widely used weapons by Mexican drug trafficking organizations.5



 
    It's the legal guns that are really the problem . Not our tightly regulated ones .

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proof for your claim that new weapons don't find its way to unregulated markets.




Ya study after study will show you the guns most commonly found on the black market are the ones that are also the easiest and cheapest for you and I to get .


http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF
 
  Half of the guns police ask the atf to trace are semi auto handguns . Another quarter are revolvers . 20 % are rifles and shotguns . Machines guns and other ( watever that is ) make up only .1 percent . And it looks like those are all older machine guns you and I can buy legally by going through the process that are stolen .
 
    Now it's your turn to provide proof that guns that we can't buy at all because of extremely prohibitive laws can even be bought at all by criminals . Love to see how it increases their availability .

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut]
    #23380499 - 06/25/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I cannot

I can provide millions of examples through drug and alcohol prohibition that proves any prohibition increases unregulated market trading and also associated criminal activities.


The distraction here is self defense this was never the real meat and bones here

The real issue at hand is an armed population is a threat to tyrannical governments and central banks. This equals accountability after enough people realize what's going on. This is the real reason the govt fights so passionately for this whilst they lie to us about weapons of mass destruction for false wars and lie about natural healing herbs and fungi while we prescribe opiates and amphetamines to anyone and everyone

Time after weary time we have factual events that prove they lie to us and provide us damaging information yet we trust them here? Give me a break you guys all need a logic course and or some psychedelics


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UNDENIABLE PROOF A MODERATOR (Enlil) USES FRAUDULENT POSTS TO SUPOORT HIS OPINIONS.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23596771#23596771 ; anyone can verify my original post in its unedited format. This proves the length the disinfo whores will go to defend pseudo theories. What quack jobs. Time to get out of moms basement.

One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

Edited by Maroon (06/25/16 11:32 AM)

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23380570 - 06/25/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I can provide millions of examples through drug and alcohol prohibition that proves any prohibition increases unregulated market trading and also associated criminal activities.



 
you just said "" I cannot """ disprove your claim strict machine gun laws increase shit .
  We have a gun problem because of our incredible manufactureing capability and this shit ...

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The real issue at hand is an armed population is a threat to tyrannical governments and central banks



 
Take your nonsensical fear based desires to have guns too easy to get so you can point them at elected officials and combine it with our manufactures desire to build and sell as many as possible and there you go Americas gun problem ..

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut]
    #23380626 - 06/25/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Again your ignoring this regime has been proven lying about our safety and health regarding weapons of mass destructions to harmful prescribed drugs.

We k ow the real reasons they want to limit guns is that these arms tip the balances of power towards the people.

Government who lie about weapons of mass destruction for war oil or lie about our health and safety do not like being held accountable. Or are you that far gone with off topic propaganda?


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UNDENIABLE PROOF A MODERATOR (Enlil) USES FRAUDULENT POSTS TO SUPOORT HIS OPINIONS.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23596771#23596771 ; anyone can verify my original post in its unedited format. This proves the length the disinfo whores will go to defend pseudo theories. What quack jobs. Time to get out of moms basement.

One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon] * 1
    #23380653 - 06/25/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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We k ow the real reasons they want to limit guns is that these arms tip the balances of power towards the people



 
    So what you are saying is that the people who control enough nuclear bombs to destroy the whole planet would tip the balance of power in my favor  by loosening gun restrictions ?
  Ya sure .

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon] * 1
    #23380778 - 06/25/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Maroon said:
If only the real issue was criminals with weapons. It is not.

The real reason governments try so hard for gun control... is an armed populace can keep governments and banks accountable.



You are such a conspiracy theorist.  How about the reason Government wants to do something is to reduce the large number of gun deaths in this country?

Remember, almost no one wants to ban all guns from citizens.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23380885 - 06/25/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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large number of gun deaths




While to affected family members the loss is painful no matter the numbers, overall the number is quite low.

Population 315m, Firearm murders 8,124

That's 0.0026%

Number of people killed by rifles in 2014 was 248

That's 0.00008% 

Even if you add in the full figure of 'Firearms, type not stated' as being rifle murders 248 + 1959 = 2207

That's 0.0007%

Those are not 'large numbers' and those numbers do not justify stomping on peoples constitutional rights.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23380927 - 06/25/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

They're the highest of any first world country.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23380936 - 06/25/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yet still not a high number and certainly not worthy of a ban for any type of gun.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23381147 - 06/25/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

It's true we know this government has lied about weapons of mass destruction to start false wars and have lied about natural herbs that heal and instead give us dangerous pharmaceuticals.

And they have been slowly gearing toward this. 1995 changing the intent of second amendment to hunting only purposes was bs and paved the road for these slippery slopes.

Again they are trying to limit the very guns and weapons our military use to defend our government. The very arms we are allowed to arm with now that most definitely keeps this government that lies about our health and stars false wars from bay of pigs ( admitted false flag) to healing herbs.

The issue here is not criminals who don't obey laws.


It's about stripping away innocent citizens right to bear semi equal arms and ammo  to their criminalistics government


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23381261 - 06/25/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23382003 - 06/25/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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large number of gun deaths




While to affected family members the loss is painful no matter the numbers, overall the number is quite low.

Population 315m, Firearm murders 8,124

That's 0.0026%

Number of people killed by rifles in 2014 was 248

That's 0.00008% 

Even if you add in the full figure of 'Firearms, type not stated' as being rifle murders 248 + 1959 = 2207

That's 0.0007%

Those are not 'large numbers' and those numbers do not justify stomping on peoples constitutional rights.





this argument is akin to looking at the statistics of automobile accidents in comparison to how much driving is done in total and arguing that seat belts aren't really needed.

another swing and a miss guy.


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