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Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study)
#23380415 - 06/25/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have the impression that LSD allows one to grasp things at a much deeper level. It seems to me that LSD is a key that allows one to make more connections between concepts and ideas and therefore to "grasp the big picture." It seems to me that while on acid, though it is more difficult to clearly formulate coherent thoughts, one's cognitive abilities are nevertheless enhanced such that ones sees so many possibilities that one has difficulty to apprehend a problem because one realises how complex the problem truly is. If one realises how complex a problem truly is, this means that one has at least enough judgment to make such an evaluation. If one has enough judgement to make such an evaluation, this means that one must have at least a little bit of a concept of what the stakes are. This requires at least a little bit intelligence. I'd LOVE, absolutely LOVE to conduct a real scientific study about the effects of BOTH short-term use and regular, long-term use of LSD on the IQ. Who wants to finance me? (LOL)
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23380698 - 06/25/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I believe that psychs allow parts of the brain to communicate with each other, that don't usually do so, this can lead to a fuller understanding of the world around you, which might make you more intelligent.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Lucis]
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That's why it needs testing! The ability to envision possibilities seems to me like a sign of intelligence.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23380762 - 06/25/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You might find this study to be of some worth.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Lucis]
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Lucis]
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Thanks for this link! Read this, a very interesting comment:
"Second, the LSD tests on human subjects at Imperial College in London; a Brazilian study in 2015 using ayahuasca(active ingredient DMT); and again at Imperial College in 2012 using psilocybin mushrooms, the magnetic resonance(fMRI) showed a DECREASE in major brain areas in those having the most profound experiences, exactly opposite of what the materialists/physicalists expected. Dr. Eben Alexander, neurosurgeon, famous for his book "Proof of Heaven" based on his NDE, has looked over the actual research papers and reports on them in his blog today, April 18, 2016. http://www.ebenalexander.com/compelling-studies-on-drugs-and-consciousness/ To quote from his blog: "The reason these studies are so crucial (and confounding to the materialists who believe the physical brain creates conscious experience) is that they powerfully refute the simplistic and false physicalist notion that the brain creates consciousness. The most extraordinary experiences were reported by those subjects who had the greatest inactivation of their brain’s junctional center network activity, as measured through fMRI and MEG. As the brain becomes less active, internal experience actually becomes more active." Another quote: "As is often the case with global media completely steeped in the conventional materialistic paradigm, the press reports about the most recent study falsely trumpeted the opposite of the actual findings. Both the Guardian and CNN focused on some of the fMRI images, but completely missed the astonishing conclusions of the actual study, instead misinterpreting them as showing increased brain activity as opposed to the remarkable decreases in activity the paper actually reports." Read Dr. Alexander's full blog to get the full import of what he's saying."
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23381179 - 06/25/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know, but too much of it can definitely make you a little spaced out.
So there's a fine line somewhere.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: shadyy]
#23381201 - 06/25/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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if it's used with control and in an environment that's conducive to positive experience then i would say it definitely helps to view things from a new perspective. whether or not that means it increases your IQ, i really don't know. but who cares anyway? it's a very subjective experience that relies on imagination so it's not really meant to be so defined.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23381239 - 06/25/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The whole concept of measuring intelligence is flawed and deluded.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Repertoire89]
#23381310 - 06/25/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its moronic to get excited over colors on a picture and think you understand how the human brain functions.
Science is just theories. Interesting theroies but just theories
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Plain]
#23381399 - 06/25/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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it kinda makes sense, but what if sometimes the connection we make while on psych are useless connection. or even bad connection like in a bad trip
but yea IQ is bullshit,
so is psychedelic at some point,
i feel sad for people that think they have been enlighted by psychedelic, they become such nonsense egocentric hippies
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Jean-guy Masta] 1
#23381429 - 06/25/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The hippies who blow "enlightenment" up to seem like some kind of "im better than you" attitude is not what enlightenment is defined as, it is simply a better uderstanding on a particular subject.
Psyches IME have let me see things from a new perspective and i feel as if while under the influence of mushrooms i had become more self aware of my own personal life and found better understanding on my own feelings and experiences.
But i do believe that mris can be useful in coming up with theories that is all that science is at the end of the day. I hate when people ignorantly misread/misunderstand studies to suit their own personal agenda
Psychedelics are a personal experience.
No one is better than a other
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Plain]
#23381553 - 06/25/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Plain said: The hippies who blow "enlightenment" up to seem like some kind of "im better than you" attitude is not what enlightenment is defined as, it is simply a better uderstanding on a particular subject.
Psyches IME have let me see things from a new perspective and i feel as if while under the influence of mushrooms i had become more self aware of my own personal life and found better understanding on my own feelings and experiences.
But i do believe that mris can be useful in coming up with theories that is all that science is at the end of the day. I hate when people ignorantly misread/misunderstand studies to suit their own personal agenda
Psychedelics are a personal experience.
No one is better than a other
I think you're plain right Except: I think that science is valid, and that we can understand the universe quite well.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23381770 - 06/25/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Funny. I sure feel smart while I'm on acid, but I feel dumb as a box of nails for the two days following.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: morrowasted]
#23381776 - 06/25/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's what I'm saying; acid makes you realise just how COMPLEX things are!
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23381844 - 06/25/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. Like I literally feel fried out for the couple of days after I take psychedelics. Like I can't focus. I have trouble managing a lot of information in my short term memory and keeping track of tasks which is important for work. I assume this is from serotonin/dopamine/norepinephrine depletion.
I think my intelligence does actually increase while under the influence of LSD. I'm way past the point of needing LSD to "see how complex things are". Things are fucking complex. I take psychedelics- either mushrooms or LSD or both at the same time- almost every weekend. I can feel my ability to communicate my thoughts expand significantly, along with my desire to vocalize them. I have a feeling my problem-solving skills would also be improved.
But I don't know if taking psychedelics regularly is likely to have an impact on your IQ either way... I am skeptical...
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23381859 - 06/25/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No I don't think it increases your IQ. But it may encourage you to increase it yourself.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23382053 - 06/25/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not necessarily, It just changes the way you think.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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Plain said: The hippies who blow "enlightenment" up to seem like some kind of "im better than you" attitude is not what enlightenment is defined as, it is simply a better uderstanding on a particular subject.
Psyches IME have let me see things from a new perspective and i feel as if while under the influence of mushrooms i had become more self aware of my own personal life and found better understanding on my own feelings and experiences.
But i do believe that mris can be useful in coming up with theories that is all that science is at the end of the day. I hate when people ignorantly misread/misunderstand studies to suit their own personal agenda
Psychedelics are a personal experience.
No one is better than a other
I think you're plain right Except: I think that science is valid, and that we can understand the universe quite well.
Thank you, thank you I think this science is valid too honestly
I just hate "the news"
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Plain]
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I'm on lsd right now...feeling super duper smart....
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Easyriding123]
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Easyriding123]
#23382278 - 06/25/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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When you think of your superiors, what emotions do you feel?
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: shadyy]
#23382290 - 06/25/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i hate liz said: When you think of your superiors, what emotions do you feel?
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Plain]
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Easyriding123]
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Easyriding123]
#23382758 - 06/26/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Idk, if im honest i kinda get pretentious after a good trip thoufh.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23382782 - 06/26/16 01:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it does if you use it sparingly, too much too fast an it'll just make you go crazy.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: morrowasted]
#23382841 - 06/26/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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In low doses, LSD is reported to be a sort of 'nootropic' but I can't speak of anything to the validity of this claim. I do not think that LSD is a direct releasing agent of either serotonin, dopamine, or norepinephrine, so these neurotransmitters being "depleted" seems misdirected. However, Being a vasoconstrictor acting on certain 5ht receptors will direct blood flow as well as change the way dopamine and norepinephrine are released in other areas of the brain.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: 404]
#23382954 - 06/26/16 04:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Microdosing LSD as a nootropic and stimulant works great. Just drop one hit and then 9 drops of water into a small glass vial. Take one drop in the morning and proceed to have an awesome day
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Acaterpillar]
#23383006 - 06/26/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I got my highest standardized test scores on acid, and on shrooms twice. YMMV.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: falsereality]
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Really? What tests were they? How intense were your trips?
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
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I'm on acid right now. Just had a long conversation about politics with my friend. As usual, my thoughts came to me and flowed out of me with ease. The creativity of my word choice and my sentence construction was markedly improved. This is not mere perception. It is almost certainly related to the synergistic increase in adrenaline, serotonin, and dopamine.
Tomorrow, as usual, I fully expect to feel emotionally dull and hung-over, de-focused, and fuzzy.
The "fried on acid" stereotype wasn't just created out of thin air. I think the 1960s drug revolution might have gone a little bit better if the doses were about 1/3 as strong, but even then I think the end result was inevitable.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: morrowasted]
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Once I get a full nights sleep, my mind sharpens back up. This is as a classical musician, its my job to be aware of subtle changes in mood / focus / dexterity.
Think it depends on the individual though, definitely much more "together" sober, LSD makes it difficult for me to keep up with a conversation / play music. Its great for other activities though: playing sports / listening to music.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Repertoire89]
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Even with a full nights sleep it takes me a solid 48 hours to fully recover from a solid acid trip
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Repertoire89]
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Think it depends on the individual though, definitely much more "together" sober, LSD makes it difficult for me to keep up with a conversation / play music. Its great for other activities though: playing sports / listening to music.
I have the best conversations and play most creatively/jam/improv the best when on LSD. Normally I don't talk. Well MDMA opens me up way more socially but LSD brings the creative free-flowingness out of me. For me I don't have any 'hangover' the next day. The comedown sucks but after a full night's sleep I am refreshed and clear.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Shroomism]
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Yeah, different strokes
Up to this point at least, LSD definitely interferes with my ability to play music. Rhythm is the biggest issue, as well as memory gaps. I still play, but technique goes out the window 
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Repertoire89]
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That's weird.. I become like a musical mastermind on LSD, I can pull things off I can't when sober.
Once me and my best friend/guitarist in our band split a ten strip and sat down for like 5-6 hours straight and just laid out the most epic neverending improv jam. I was so pissed for not recording it.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Shroomism]
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The timbre of my singing voice is noticeable improved on psychedelics, especially on mushrooms. This has been independently confirmed by my friend. Not sure what mechanisms are responsible for this.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: morrowasted]
#23385975 - 06/26/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, voice and tone production definitely improve.
Some of my acquaintances play better tripping, personally I get too many memory gaps. Hopefully that'll change, I'll definitely be working on bridging that gap
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Repertoire89]
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Keep dosing and recording your results, guys!
You're all doing so great!!
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: shadyy]
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23387198 - 06/27/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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This doesn't really go into IQ at all, but FWIW http://www.pnas.org/content/113/17/4853.full
Personally I question the validity of IQ testing in general, so I'm not sure my opinion on the question matters.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Blend]
#23389307 - 06/27/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Intelligence IS pattern recognition. IQ tests are valid.
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Edited by Freedreamer (06/27/16 10:09 PM)
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23389428 - 06/27/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Freedreamer said: Intelligence IS pattern recognition. IQ tests are valid.
The entire premise is deluded.
The definition of intelligence is subjective, it implies a capable mind, but what defines a capable mind depends on perspective and priorities. From my perspective one is already suspect for believing such a thing could be objectively defined - let alone quantified.
An objective definition of intelligence (what constitutes a capable mind), would need to tie into a goal inherent in life itself, beyond mortal perspective. Being mortal, all mortals are disqualified from such a perspective. There can be no objective outline.
Even purely subjective tests are confined to circumstance and the limitations of their boundaries.
Edited by Repertoire89 (06/27/16 10:56 PM)
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Repertoire89]
#23389589 - 06/27/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is IQ anyway?
It is essentially a human construct in and of itself, therefore it must be inherently flawed and probably biased in some way as to be inaccurate
I believe human intelligence is far more complex than we as a species will ever fully understand, and we may try to define it in quantifiable ways but that does not mean we actually understand it
Anyway I'm on LSD right now so there you have it, str8 from the horse's mouth
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Repertoire89]
#23389819 - 06/28/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes you are right. The definition of intelligence is subjective. For me (personal interpretation of the word), intelligence is pattern recognition. IQ tests test one's ability to recognise patterns (as far as I know; I've never taken it).
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23389851 - 06/28/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pattern recognition and organization is a big part of my own view on intelligence as well
Big part of an infinite spectrum, but definitely key
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23389939 - 06/28/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Freedreamer said: That's what I'm saying; acid makes you realise just how COMPLEX things are!
Human brains evolved over millions of years process sensory input efficiently as possible. LSD distrupts normal processes. Thinking is disordered. It's not making you smarter.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: koods] 1
#23389955 - 06/28/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, technically it's not making you more stupid either once the drug wears off.
There was an experiment a long time ago that almost never happened. they took a bunch of engineers and scientists and stuck them all in a room and fed them LSD. Each person was told to bring a project of theirs that they had been stumped for months on. By the time the experiment was over, each person had reached a new conclusion on their problem and over come it.
Basically psychedelics break down the old developed patterns of thought and allow the mind to make connections with other areas of the mind that don't normally talk to each other, and decrease overall connectivity with a subnetwork of the brain called the Default Mode Network. Contained within this network, is the prefrontal cortex, which deals with planning for the future, personality, executive functioning and relation to others and is probably extensively involved in problem solving. By dissolving established patterns of circuitry in the mind, these engineers and scientists were able to formulate new solutions to their problems. At least, that's my best educated guess at this time.
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