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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Repertoire89]
#23387019 - 06/27/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Keep dosing and recording your results, guys!
You're all doing so great!!
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: shadyy]
#23387040 - 06/27/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23387198 - 06/27/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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This doesn't really go into IQ at all, but FWIW http://www.pnas.org/content/113/17/4853.full
Personally I question the validity of IQ testing in general, so I'm not sure my opinion on the question matters.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Blend]
#23389307 - 06/27/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Intelligence IS pattern recognition. IQ tests are valid.
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Edited by Freedreamer (06/27/16 10:09 PM)
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23389428 - 06/27/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Freedreamer said: Intelligence IS pattern recognition. IQ tests are valid.
The entire premise is deluded.
The definition of intelligence is subjective, it implies a capable mind, but what defines a capable mind depends on perspective and priorities. From my perspective one is already suspect for believing such a thing could be objectively defined - let alone quantified.
An objective definition of intelligence (what constitutes a capable mind), would need to tie into a goal inherent in life itself, beyond mortal perspective. Being mortal, all mortals are disqualified from such a perspective. There can be no objective outline.
Even purely subjective tests are confined to circumstance and the limitations of their boundaries.
Edited by Repertoire89 (06/27/16 10:56 PM)
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Repertoire89]
#23389589 - 06/27/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is IQ anyway?
It is essentially a human construct in and of itself, therefore it must be inherently flawed and probably biased in some way as to be inaccurate
I believe human intelligence is far more complex than we as a species will ever fully understand, and we may try to define it in quantifiable ways but that does not mean we actually understand it
Anyway I'm on LSD right now so there you have it, str8 from the horse's mouth
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Repertoire89]
#23389819 - 06/28/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes you are right. The definition of intelligence is subjective. For me (personal interpretation of the word), intelligence is pattern recognition. IQ tests test one's ability to recognise patterns (as far as I know; I've never taken it).
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23389851 - 06/28/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pattern recognition and organization is a big part of my own view on intelligence as well
Big part of an infinite spectrum, but definitely key
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: Freedreamer]
#23389939 - 06/28/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Freedreamer said: That's what I'm saying; acid makes you realise just how COMPLEX things are!
Human brains evolved over millions of years process sensory input efficiently as possible. LSD distrupts normal processes. Thinking is disordered. It's not making you smarter.
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Re: Does LSD increase IQ? I "feel" like it does (requires a real study) [Re: koods] 1
#23389955 - 06/28/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, technically it's not making you more stupid either once the drug wears off.
There was an experiment a long time ago that almost never happened. they took a bunch of engineers and scientists and stuck them all in a room and fed them LSD. Each person was told to bring a project of theirs that they had been stumped for months on. By the time the experiment was over, each person had reached a new conclusion on their problem and over come it.
Basically psychedelics break down the old developed patterns of thought and allow the mind to make connections with other areas of the mind that don't normally talk to each other, and decrease overall connectivity with a subnetwork of the brain called the Default Mode Network. Contained within this network, is the prefrontal cortex, which deals with planning for the future, personality, executive functioning and relation to others and is probably extensively involved in problem solving. By dissolving established patterns of circuitry in the mind, these engineers and scientists were able to formulate new solutions to their problems. At least, that's my best educated guess at this time.
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