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Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard?
    #23380358 - 06/25/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I need to get some sources for a piece of work, and it seems like most of the full length books about the guy are either horribly simple introductions or inaccurate, poorly researched shit.

The Alastair Hannay biography and some Walter Lowrie stuff is all I've found that seems to be of any particular worth. "Kierkegaard's Concept of Existence" seems like it might be solid, but there seems to be surprisingly few full length books in English.

It's bit of a long shot, but if any of you can point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it. If not I guess I'll just raid Jstor.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23381253 - 06/25/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Philistines, all of you. To be fair, this stuff is insanely hard to find. I think the guy was just so obscure and complex that most academics don't dare even attempt to try to summarise whatever it was he was really driving at.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23383907 - 06/26/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I have a copy of his annotated diaries, by C.U. Scrubs. Gotta cross the pond to get it. And bring $1 million.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23384536 - 06/26/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Most people were probably too intimidated by how cool his name is to fuck with his actual ideas.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23387945 - 06/27/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It does look that way. No one wants to fuck with Mr. Graveyard. I managed to find a few, but it seems most people who are really serious Kierkegaard scholars come to the realisation that he can't be summarised and end up just translating and annotating his works. The impact he has on people is crazy. David Swenson (I think it was him) was forced by his doctor to stop reading Kierkegaard in case he had a heart attack, he was getting so excited.

I managed to find a few really shitty interpretations by Christians trying to reconcile his ideas with the Church, which could be useful just to criticise.

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I have a copy of his annotated diaries, by C.U. Scrubs. Gotta cross the pond to get it. And bring $1 million.




I have a copy of YOUR annotated diaries. The complete journals and papers that Howard and Edna Hong compiled is gigantic. I don't know how the hell the guy had time to write even that much in his life time, let alone all the stuff he actually published.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23389367 - 06/27/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know exactly what aspect you are planning to focus on, but a search in the philosophers index database on ProQuest of "Kierkegaard" yields 4,064 results.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23389446 - 06/27/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, I'll check into that. The problem isn't lack of material, it's just lack of good material. He's one of the most obscured and misunderstood authors of all time, so a huge portion of stuff written about him is just garbage.

I found a few full length books that seem pretty reputable, and hopefully between Jstor and ProQuest I should be covered.

Edit: I get no results searching ProQuest but maybe I'm stupid or you have to subscribe or something.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23389506 - 06/27/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It might not be what you're looking for, but Ernest Becker's The Denial of Death gets into Kierkegaard, mainly with respect to his significance to psychoanalysis. It's a worthy read in any case. Check out the table of contents.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #23389515 - 06/27/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Great book, and one of the few people to give a summary of Kierkegaard that's actually accurate. I did a really long piece of work focusing on that so luckily I still have all kinds of quotes and notes saved.

I should read other stuff by Becker, really. I imagine The Denial of Death is the best, but his other books must be pretty good if he was capable of producing something of that scope.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23389563 - 06/27/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I remember Icelander was a fan of Escape from Evil. I have it sitting on my shelf here among the many books I mean to get to some day.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #23389583 - 06/27/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I remember someone on here saying The Denial of Death was part of a trilogy, so if that's true then I guess it would be The Birth and Death of Meaning, The Denial of Death and Escape from Evil.

He was dead by the time Escape from Evil came out, though, so I'm not sure if it's a compilation of unpublished scraps or what.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23389602 - 06/27/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, that's the lame thing about literature searches. You always have to dig through a bunch of shit to find the useful stuff. I just followed links from my school's library website to get the the philosopher's index database through ProQuest. If you're a student you should be able to get access through library subscriptions.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23389614 - 06/27/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, it's kind of shocking the things that get published in "serious" journals that turn out to be absolute garbage.

Most of the time I'm working on a given topic, I'll download about 50 articles off JStor and end up just deleting half of them because they're so bad it's not even worth criticising them.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23389625 - 06/27/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Ah man, I just realised Ernest Becker was only 49 when he died. Shame. I thought he lived a really long life for some reason. At least he got seven more years than Kierkegaard.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23390042 - 06/28/16 05:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The only decent secondary literature about Kierkegaard that I have read was in books about existentialism, which generally began with a review of him, Nietzsche and Dostoevsky.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: viktor] * 1
    #23390945 - 06/28/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Kierkegaard is way cooler than Sarte, but Sartre partied like a rockstar so he gets a lot of attention. Nietzsche was pretty metal (being German and all that über mensch jazz) and hella rocked the boat, so he also gets a lot of attention. Kierkegaard is the guy who sits in the front row of class but never raises his hand and gets all A's; The teachers loved him but nobody really knew who he was. His yearbook quote was "it was lit, fam."


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #23391854 - 06/28/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What about Camus? Camus is my main man, yo.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: viktor]
    #23392396 - 06/28/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Camus was the guy voted "most likely to succeed" in his senior year superlatives. He ended up getting his high school sweetheart pregnant after prom, though, and she and the baby died in a car accident right after graduation on their way to Florida for vacation. He was put on anti-depressants and suicide watch for the rest of his life.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #23392691 - 06/28/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Kierkegaard is way cooler than Sarte, but Sartre partied like a rockstar so he gets a lot of attention. Nietzsche was pretty metal (being German and all that über mensch jazz) and hella rocked the boat, so he also gets a lot of attention. Kierkegaard is the guy who sits in the front row of class but never raises his hand and gets all A's; The teachers loved him but nobody really knew who he was. His yearbook quote was "it was lit, fam."


- an explanation of the relationship between late 18th - early 19th centuries and modern America, by Penelope Tree




Kierkegaard caused way more mayhem in his own lifetime than Nietzsche or any of the rest of them. I think he just gets less attention because he's seen as a Christian and very few people bother to get into it and realise that his notion of what being a Christian is involves criticisms of organised religion that are far more brutal than Nietzsche's or anybody else's, really.

He did have a pretty fucking boring life, but I think maybe that's why his books are so good. He pretty much lived his entire existence through his authorship and didn't expend any energy on dealing with real life. The more I get into reading the guy, the more obscure he becomes, but there is a certain consistency between the general direction of the works and the way he lived his own life that deserves some respect.

As far as I can tell, Kierkegaard was enormously famous in his own time as a novelist and then as a critic of the church and it was only later that he started being taken very seriously as a psychological and philosophical figure. I guess probably due to Heidegger ripping so much of his material in the time when existentialism was becoming COOL.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23417405 - 07/06/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I actually found a hell of a lot of stuff on this, so if anyone cares at all, PM me, or I'll just post a list of worthwhile authors here when I have time.

Fuck Heidegger.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23417888 - 07/06/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

LOL. Glad to see you in PS&P again BD. I'd love to say I've the time or motivation to read up on these heavyweight motherfuckers, but frankly, I don't. lol, it's probably not helped by the fact you keep suggesting 'fuck ______' or '______ was a prick' (I kid).

TBH, I admire anyone who take take their works to heart. I've been reading 'Meditations' by Marcus Aurelius recently and have read into Jung a little but I find their work pretty heavy going and hard to digest.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23418741 - 07/06/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

To me, Jung doesn't read unnaturally or anything and some of his works are really good. He just seems to flip between really practical, concrete psychology and (for me) unpalatable nonsense about the I Ching and synchronicity and so on. It's interesting stuff, but I do wonder whether it's really worth a psychiatrist's time to spend half a lifetime reading old alchemical texts.

I find most really great thinkers are actually relatively clear in their writing style and I tend to be suspicious of really impenetrable stuff, but there are definitely cases when someone's theories are fantastic and they're just bad writers. Especially Kant.


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Re: Any philosophy people know of decent secondary literature on Kierkegaard? [Re: EllisDSox]
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