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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: spacechildo]
    #23381240 - 06/25/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

alright thanks guy that info really helps and im going to do that, its just how am I going to recover the three older cakes I have In the chamber. I just added the new cakes and the older once look like child sized cakes compared!


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: psilo.jts]
    #23381590 - 06/25/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

They probably shrunk due to moisture loss from your fan blowing on them all day and the heat and extra draft from being by your window.

You can try misting or dunking and recovering with verm with the new method. I've had pins survive the dunk on my last cake.

Also if you read that overlay link you can try the methods posted there. (Steril fork scraping I believe)

What I did with my overlayed cakes was I got a tupperware and filled the bottom with an inch of verm at field capacity. Then I crumbled my dunked cakes into roughly 1" cubes and covered the 1 inch verm layer with about 2 inches of myc cake.
Then I cased the crumbled verm layer with about 1/4 inch of verm at field capacity.
All the while making sure i spread each layer very lightly not packing anything down.
Then I sealed the top of the tupperware with a lid and put it in my closet and forgot it for 7 days to allow the mycelium to re-network and establish a stronger patty.
When I opened the lid I noticed mycelium started poking through the 1/4 inch verm casing layer. I patched those spots up with more verm and about 4 days later it starter sprouting pins like crazy everywhere. 4 days later I had my first harvest.

I would reccomend this over the other options based on my limited expierience alone. I'm very happy I did this. My first flush was about 9 grams dry from 1+1/4 pints of myc. Considering you have pins forming on your cakes already and this is probably your first grow you may not want to give those pins up and would probably lean toward the other two options at least until your first flush comes through. Totally in your hands now, good luck buddy!! Post some pics :thumbup:


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23381649 - 06/25/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

wow man that tupper wear idea is a great one. depending on the next few days and see if the older cakes are going anywhere bc its been a month on the 28th since two of em have been in the chamber so I might just end up doing that if I havnt received any results. but I dunked em for like a couple hours just bobbing in the water not completely submerged out of fear of these pins aborting also, then did the verm in lid and complete submerge in verm so they are coated decently which I will start to spray em tomorrow. but of course once I start getting some fruits ill put some pics for sure.... btw that one mushie in your tupper wear kinda looks like a cyanescens with the wavy cap lol


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: psilo.jts]
    #23381703 - 06/25/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Nice :thumbup:
Good luck dude. Just remember to keep em nice and moist in that heat and should start seeing some growth hopefully more pins if the stroma isn't too bad.

Yeah it kind of does! Not quite sure what strain it is. I purchased brazilian and that's what it said on the bag they gave me. But when I got home I noticed tape on the syringe itself was a tag that said GT assuming golden teacher... Idk they're cubes tho:cool:


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23381870 - 06/25/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

haha nice yea here is what it looks like now


you can see the new cakes that I added and the verm is def more dense on them so hopefully I will have some more success. but I have two pins that have grown much more since I moved em this morning


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23381905 - 06/25/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Overlay doesn't happen with cubes. For overlay to happen the species being grown needs to have a casing to be able to fruit. Cubes don't need casings so they will fruit regardless. Scratching tubs is detrimental 9.5 times out of 10.

Even with species that can get overlay, it is very uncommon. RR said he saw about 4 overlayed subs in like 20 or 30 years.


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23381947 - 06/25/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Overlay doesn't happen with cubes. For overlay to happen the species being grown needs to have a casing to be able to fruit. Cubes don't need casings so they will fruit regardless. Scratching tubs is detrimental 9.5 times out of 10.

Even with species that can get overlay, it is very uncommon. RR said he saw about 4 overlayed subs in like 20 or 30 years.



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from the link:
The offect of overlay on the pinset and yield varies from mushroom species to mushroom species. With Psilocybe cubensis overlay is not such a big deal, because Psilocybe cubensis grows perfectly well also from uncased substrates(PF cakes, bulk straw and other subtrates). Thus it doesn't necessarily need a functioning casing layer, although it clearly does benefit from one.
If overlay happens with a mushroom which absolutely requires a casing layer( Agaricus species for instance) the effect on the pinset and yield is much more negative.




I'm getting mixed messages now.:confused: Of course that article could always be out of date
Either way I guess overlay is no big deal in this situation??


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23381953 - 06/25/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, that is some really old and outdated info. By definition, species that don't need a casing cannot get overlay.


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23381970 - 06/25/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Excuse my lack of knowledge but what is overlay


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: psilo.jts]
    #23381998 - 06/25/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Overlay is when a substrate grows too much mycelium over the surface and as a result, is not able to pin. It also needs to be very thick to be considered as overlay. Just because you have a centimetre of mycelium on top of your sub does not mean you have overlay.

If you are growing cubes, you don't have to worry about overlay because this only happens to species that require a casing layer to fruit. Cubensis does not need one, it will pin on exposed mycelium so it can never get overlay, or at least it's incredibly rare to. The species that do get overlay only do it very rarely so you really don't need to worry about that very much either.


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23382005 - 06/25/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah, that is some really old and outdated info. By definition, species that don't need a casing cannot get overlay.




Good to know

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From the link:The condition when the fine strands of mycelia die and become hard and matted (as compared to the light, strandy mycelia you will become familiar with.) is called stroma.




So my understanding of the article was that overlay and stroma were the same thing... does that mean that the smooth surface in the pictures of OP's cakes is actually stroma then?

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Psilo.jts said:Excuse my lack of knowledge but what is overlay





What is 'overlay'?


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23382041 - 06/25/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Nope, just normal mycelium. Cakes will look smooth because the PF mix is basically made with BRF. The keyword there being flour. Mycelium will obviously grow dense on an already dense substrate.

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Finding geniune cases of stroma and overlay is harder than you would think. A lot of people mistake fully colonized substrates for overlay. I just found out that stroma and overlay are not the same thing, from what I gather, stroma is some type of contaminant that can lead to overlay. Here is genuine overlay, notice it's thickness.




Edited by Supalemonhaze (06/25/16 08:34 PM)


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23382095 - 06/25/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Should i mist the casing of verm on my cakes to keep the moisture right to keep them from drying out?. Bc my first three cakes were not as cased well and dried out. So I re dunked em and they are starting to pin but very little. But I put a decent amount of verm on them so hopefully the moisture will be retained in the cakes right?


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: psilo.jts]
    #23382104 - 06/25/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If they look dry then yes, you should mist. It is always best to wait until the cake seems to have evaporated the tiny beads of moisture on it's surface, if you keep misting an already moist cake, you will waterlog it.


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23382113 - 06/25/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Nope, just normal mycelium. Cakes will look smooth because the PF mix is basically made with BRF. The keyword there being flour. Mycelium will obviously grow dense on an already dense substrate.

Edit:
Finding geniune cases of stroma and overlay is harder than you would think. A lot of people mistake fully colonized substrates for overlay. I just found out that stroma and overlay are not the same thing, from what I gather, stroma is some type of contaminant that can lead to overlay. Here is genuine overlay, notice it's thickness.







Uhhgh that looks disgusting :eek:
Thanks for the info dude!


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: psilo.jts]
    #23382118 - 06/25/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Also is it ok to mist the cakes covered in verm when they have pins on them?


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    #23382130 - 06/25/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Should i mist the casing of verm on my cakes to keep the moisture right to keep them from drying out?. Bc my first three cakes were not as cased well and dried out. So I re dunked em and they are starting to pin but very little. But I put a decent amount of verm on them so hopefully the moisture will be retained in the cakes right?




Also that verm layer will help keep optimum humidity around the cakes surface :thumbup:
Saturate the verm when it starts to dry out pins and everything don't discriminate


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23382139 - 06/25/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, mist the pins. The rain doesn't care that it's raining on mushrooms and neither do they. :lol:


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: psilo.jts]
    #23382649 - 06/26/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Also is it ok to mist the cakes covered in verm when they have pins on them?




Don't overdo it. If standing water sits in a pin cluster it can cause rot, cracked caps, gills bursting through the cap etc. I usually tell beginners to stay away from it. You don't want them brown or black and when veils form don't mist them and don't mist full fruits.


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Re: how to lower and control temperature in SGFC due to being summer and house doesnt have A/C *PICS* [Re: Adden]
    #23382894 - 06/26/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Good point with the fact that when it rains they're fine lol. Thanks for the info 'dune walker' my next question was thay about the friuts. But I plan on harvest before caps open for potency. Since last night the few pins I have really are fluerishing. Even the new cakes the myc started to grab on and grow into and they have only been in the FC for 8hrs. Once again thanks guys


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