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Power of Now
    #23379275 - 06/25/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'm referring to the book by Eckhart Tolle. I read it and just got lost. It felt like everything flew over my head, with a lot just being a rerun of Buddhist books I have read in the past. I'm not a big fans of the way the book is done, and it honestly did me more harm than good. But apparently people swear it's life changing in some way. Am I doing it wrong?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23380129 - 06/25/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

What concept didn't you get?

And before you answer that, remind yourself  who "you" even are :nyan:


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23380132 - 06/25/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I haven't read it but honestly I think all one "needs" is to graze on some quotes from the writings to plant the seed of change...

“Realize deeply that the present moment is all you have. Make the NOW the primary focus of your life.”

“As soon as you honor the present moment, all unhappiness and struggle dissolve, and life begins to flow with joy and ease. When you act out the present-moment awareness, whatever you do becomes imbued with a sense of quality, care, and love - even the most simple action.”

“Thinking is only a small aspect of consciousness. Thought cannot exist without consciousness, but consciousness does not need thought”

“...the past gives you an identity and the future holds the promise of salvation, of fulfillment in whaterver form. Both are illusions.”


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Khancious]
    #23380212 - 06/25/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

His book 'a new earth' is a great deconstruction of the Ego.


For those who feel schizo because their mind and consciousness seem to be at odds, it's great material.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Snazz]
    #23380229 - 06/25/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

uh huh

not sure what would've happened if I didn't learn about Tolle before getting into marijuana again


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Re: Power of Now [Re: yeah]
    #23380234 - 06/25/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Complexity in disguise complexity in simplicity.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Khancious]
    #23380419 - 06/25/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I haven't read it but honestly I think all one "needs" is to graze on some quotes from the writings to plant the seed of change...

“Realize deeply that the present moment is all you have. Make the NOW the primary focus of your life.”

“As soon as you honor the present moment, all unhappiness and struggle dissolve, and life begins to flow with joy and ease. When you act out the present-moment awareness, whatever you do becomes imbued with a sense of quality, care, and love - even the most simple action.”

“Thinking is only a small aspect of consciousness. Thought cannot exist without consciousness, but consciousness does not need thought”

“...the past gives you an identity and the future holds the promise of salvation, of fulfillment in whaterver form. Both are illusions.”




Thing is to me all those quotes are just words he expects you to take for truth. There's honestly no reason to believe any of that just because he says it. Even Buddha said not to believe what someone said just because they say it.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23380435 - 06/25/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

it's funny because if you just disregard all that bullshit and just get yourself in the moment then it all just works...


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Re: Power of Now [Re: yeah] * 1
    #23380643 - 06/25/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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it's funny because if you just disregard all that bullshit and just get yourself in the moment then it all just works...




How though? People say that all the time and there is nothing that would lead me to believe such a thing works. What about those living in poverty or in war torn areas, or who get kidnapped and sold. How could it possibly work for those with serious problems? What about rape victims?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23380770 - 06/25/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I haven't read it but honestly I think all one "needs" is to graze on some quotes from the writings to plant the seed of change...

“Realize deeply that the present moment is all you have. Make the NOW the primary focus of your life.”

“As soon as you honor the present moment, all unhappiness and struggle dissolve, and life begins to flow with joy and ease. When you act out the present-moment awareness, whatever you do becomes imbued with a sense of quality, care, and love - even the most simple action.”

“Thinking is only a small aspect of consciousness. Thought cannot exist without consciousness, but consciousness does not need thought”

“...the past gives you an identity and the future holds the promise of salvation, of fulfillment in whaterver form. Both are illusions.”




Thing is to me all those quotes are just words he expects you to take for truth. There's honestly no reason to believe any of that just because he says it. Even Buddha said not to believe what someone said just because they say it.




The book offers practical techniques that take you past the words, bringing you to what the words describe.  If you didn't try the techniques, or reflect/pause where the book recommends you to reflect/pause, I imagine you went into the book with your mind already made up. 

I think it's impossible to argue against the value of this book if you read it with an open mind.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: cez]
    #23381034 - 06/25/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I tried reading it with an open mind. Even so I found some of the things to be rather contradictory. A lot went over my head. Like how it says you can still pursue goals and strive to achieve things, but isn't that ego and looking in the future?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23381426 - 06/25/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You don't need to always make elaborate plans to know where are you going.

When you walk to the kitchen to make yourself a snack, do you think in your head "okay, I'll move my left foot first, then my right, then my left again, when I get to the stairs I'll lift my foot from the ground and then place it on the first step...etc"

Most thoughts are unnecessary and they end up using us instead of us using them


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Re: Power of Now [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #23381517 - 06/25/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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You don't need to always make elaborate plans to know where are you going.

When you walk to the kitchen to make yourself a snack, do you think in your head "okay, I'll move my left foot first, then my right, then my left again, when I get to the stairs I'll lift my foot from the ground and then place it on the first step...etc"

Most thoughts are unnecessary and they end up using us instead of us using them




That's a bit of an exaggeration that doesn't really answer my question.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23381779 - 06/25/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I tried reading it with an open mind. Even so I found some of the things to be rather contradictory. A lot went over my head. Like how it says you can still pursue goals and strive to achieve things, but isn't that ego and looking in the future?




You didn't try the techniques? 

Im not gonna argue semantics.  My only point is the book works.  If you haven't done any of the exercises, I would suggest going back and giving them a shot. 


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Re: Power of Now [Re: cez]
    #23381925 - 06/25/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I tried reading it with an open mind. Even so I found some of the things to be rather contradictory. A lot went over my head. Like how it says you can still pursue goals and strive to achieve things, but isn't that ego and looking in the future?




You didn't try the techniques? 

Im not gonna argue semantics.  My only point is the book works.  If you haven't done any of the exercises, I would suggest going back and giving them a shot. 




I have tried meditation and mindfulness in the past, but it led to me feeling dead and sucking the life out of, well, life. Not sure why.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23381954 - 06/25/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I can only recommend to try again if you're earnestly seeking :shrug:

The techniques in this book work, if you try them.  I don't know what your previous meditations were, but Tolle gives solid instructions on how to perform each technique and the proof is in the pudding if you try them.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: cez]
    #23382109 - 06/25/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I have tried them all before, his exercises aren't any different than the ones I have read through eastern philosophy. Except for one, wondering what your next thought is, that never worked with me.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23382636 - 06/26/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe you're doomed to misery while you're on this planet? Have you considered that you're just going to suffer forever no matter what you do?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: viktor]
    #23383949 - 06/26/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe you're doomed to misery while you're on this planet? Have you considered that you're just going to suffer forever no matter what you do?




Life is suffering, Buddha made that pretty clear and I kind of accept it. It's not bad all the time, but it guess it helps when it feels like you NEED to be happy.

But I highly doubt that not being affected by one book dooms you to misery.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #23388293 - 06/27/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i loved the book.  i read it during a transitional point in my life about 10 years ago.  it's new age so it does borrow from buddhist concepts.  if you go into it with the mindset that you already know what it's presenting then i could understand your viewpoint.  but for me it was new to me and it resonated on a very deep level.  to each his own.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: bass head]
    #23388308 - 06/27/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I liked part of the book, at least the parts I read, except for one part where he says something about how its easier for females to enter deep meditation than males because of physiological makeup or something. I found this to be a a gross generalization, or just flat out false.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23388369 - 06/27/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hey yogashaman. Sorry about facebook. I'm okay mate. :smile:

Eckhart Tolle is a fantastic thing to have in the mainstream right now.

Same with Russel Brand.

Heroes, more or less.

The present is presenting the question -

Who am I?

Until you find the present, you are asking WHERE am I? Just watch - pay attention, don't be so rational, be sort of creative. You are asking everyone where to find yourself or find love.

So once you find it,

The question is WHO am I? And the present will present clues that lead you deeper into the infinite expanse of the present.

We think time is infinite, and the present is a blink of an eye. Inverted. Everything's inverted.

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not yogashaman, sorry, I can't remember who it was now...


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Re: Power of Now [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23391260 - 06/28/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey yogashaman. Sorry about facebook. I'm okay mate. :smile:

Eckhart Tolle is a fantastic thing to have in the mainstream right now.

Same with Russel Brand.

Heroes, more or less.

The present is presenting the question -

Who am I?

Until you find the present, you are asking WHERE am I? Just watch - pay attention, don't be so rational, be sort of creative. You are asking everyone where to find yourself or find love.

So once you find it,

The question is WHO am I? And the present will present clues that lead you deeper into the infinite expanse of the present.

We think time is infinite, and the present is a blink of an eye. Inverted. Everything's inverted.

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edit -

not yogashaman, sorry, I can't remember who it was now...




Who I am isn't really a question, I know the answer to that. It's something that's so in flux that it's pointless to hold onto anything definite. Even sociologists now have found the self to be an illusion (albeit a necessary one). It's no a matter of where you are as you can't be anywhere but now. The future is an unstable land of what ifs that is pointless to worry about. The past is set in stone, so there's no use in worrying bout it either. The present is a blinking moment. It's here for an instant and then it's gone, only to be back again.

I'm not asking where am I, I'm asking who I am. The past has some effect on that, but that doesn't mean I'm living it. Some things persist.

Life isn't about finding yourself but making yourself. That's why the self isn't stable. It's always in flux.

Asking someone to be creative isn't advice, it's more like a statement. Creativity is a very vague word that means different things to people.

I disagree with Tolle that thoughts are the problem, they aren't. It's how you relate to them. So far my thoughts and I have had a pretty good relationship.

Time is odd, that's all I can say about it. Just look at relativity.

And a final word, my state of mind doesn't affect what I read. If there are contradictions then they are there regardless of how I see it. An open mind doesn't mean accepting everything. I did read the book, but the way he put things and some of the things he said made it hard to take him seriously.

And love, well, that's nothing but another fading fact of life.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23391364 - 06/28/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Plus that video sounds like he's trying to sell you something. Giving enough promise of a salvation but withholding the important parts. In short it's bunk.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23393366 - 06/29/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Life is suffering, Buddha made that pretty clear and I kind of accept it. It's not bad all the time, but it guess it helps when it feels like you NEED to be happy.





I interpret the Buddhist teachings slightly differently. Human life isnt doomed to suffering, but our imperfect, attached, human nature creates most suffering (unnecessary). This has nothing to do with pain caused by physical decay and breakdown of our bodies, obviously.

Tying this in with the original post on The Power of Now...this part of us that creates and interprets this suffering, the pain body as Tolle calls it. It all ties in with eastern thought on unnecessary suffering for sure. Same message!

Its the voice inside of us that interprets experience as suffering. Aka being attached to a specific outcome, expecting shit to go your way, etc...

The clutch concept of the book, to me, is that in the present there are no problems, just... IT. Our future millisecond interpretations, shape how we feel about it all. And since its a constant flow of events, well, you can understand a slight buildup of negativity or positivity depending which way youre flowing with it :cool:

It all ties in man. Buddhism, meditation, be here now, the power of now, tao, whatever, etc, same key to the universe.

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Re: Power of Now [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #23393522 - 06/29/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Except that clutch concept is incorrect to an extent. The present does have problems based on the person. Starving, debt, illness, no job, can support yourself, false imprisonment, rape. There are many problems that take place in the now. To say they don't exist means you haven't know "real" suffering and don't have real problems. I'm willing to wager that's most of the audience who watch Oprah and can afford his talks. That and how he says problems like world hunger are a reflection of the inner issues of humanity, which isn't true (the problem is far more complex than that).

Also there is no pain body, I don't care what he says. It's just bad habits and behaviors, not some entity that feeds off you.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23394848 - 06/29/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The present does have problems based on the person. Starving, debt, illness, no job, can support yourself, false imprisonment, rape. There are many problems that take place in the now.




That's all a personal interpretation..."based on the person". In this case you, your interpretation. But all of your proposed scenarios are neither problematic nor beneficial to a weather system or a season or a sea turtle... They just are. They only carry the weight of personal interpretation. The attachment to outcome and pending personal judgement creates the suffering.

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There are many problems that take place in the now. To say they don't exist means you haven't know "real" suffering and don't have real problems.




:laugh2:

Yes I do have problems. And in case it's not clear, I'm as attached and imperfect as they come. I'm workin on it that's all.

And everything I label a problem is done so by my imperfect, silly, forgetful ass! Needless to say, I'm aware that my "problems" as well as my human body is irrelevant to nature and simply exists. Period. My interpretations are my conscious doing.

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That and how he says problems like world hunger are a reflection of the inner issues of humanity, which isn't true (the problem is far more complex than that.)




I got a little extra time right now so I'll have some fun and argue this...just for fun. The most obvious example of how world hunger is a reflection of an inner issue of humanity...if any of the rich fuck individual multi millionaire billionaires looked deep in their hearts and thought: "how could I live like this knowing there are people starving to death in the world", and in numbers, rich corporations/ elite 1%, reacted similarly, world hunger wouldn't exist. That's just one example, for the heck of it. If no human could live with themselves knowing their neighbor is hungry...

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Also there is no pain body, I don't care what he says. It's just bad habits and behaviors, not some entity that feeds off you.




Tomayto tomatoe right. Yea pain body, entity, the inner asshole, bad habits and behavior...all sounds synonymous to me.

I'll admit you know a lot more about this guy than I do. I swiped the audiobook off the internet, because reading is hard for me since the letters begin to swirl and dance around. Never even seen the guy or know anything about him. Just listened while cruising and smoking blunts. I did appreciate that the jist of his message is one that I've arrived at personally, and so have some of my favorite teachers, such as Buddha, Alan watts, ram dass, grof, personal friends,  etc...they all seem to have touched upon a universal key...at least that's my interpretation :wink:

It seems in most communications with you, the theme I keep sending your way, is that IMO, you shape your reality by means of your interpretation. You and only you decide how your experience is, and stack judgement up all day long. For example, a person saying dark stuff like nothing matters, everything is suffering, love isn't real, or any other similar jewels, is basically shooting themselves in the foot...unless thats personally interpreted to be a good thing :lol:

It all ties in man, IMO of course.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #23395059 - 06/29/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I got lost reading the book, and given certain personal leanings beyond my control my head winds up misinterpreting what I read. But I did read an article that said they aren't problems but situations, either to be dealt with or accepted. That labeling them as such doesn't bring you any closer to resolving them. They gave examples. Like if there is talk about layoffs at work and you wonder if it will be you, what will you do, and instead of getting off on things that aren't real and not happening you are distracting yourself from finding a productive solution.

What I got is that labeling a situation doesn't bring you any closer to taking action towards it and doesn't help solve it either.


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    #23395273 - 06/29/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes man I can dig it :cheers:


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23405828 - 07/03/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Also there is no pain body, I don't care what he says.





The concept of the pain body makes sense to me, as an explanation of why we as humans have meltdowns.

And why we emotionally over-react to certain things. If you have a better explanation, I'm ready to listen!

The PON is an ancient idea. The mind is prone to be depressed about the past and worry about the future.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23419904 - 07/07/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Constantly trying to be in the now is a sure way to not be in the now. All talk about the now is nonsense as we are never not in the now. The whole thing is silly. Mind chatter,worry, and depression are all part of life and cannot be avoided. These "in the now" type seekers are just making things worse for themselves by their resistance of the inevitable, aka seeking enlightenment.


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    #23421992 - 07/08/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Also there is no pain body, I don't care what he says.





The concept of the pain body makes sense to me, as an explanation of why we as humans have meltdowns.

And why we emotionally over-react to certain things. If you have a better explanation, I'm ready to listen!

The PON is an ancient idea. The mind is prone to be depressed about the past and worry about the future.




Subconscious influence as a result of unresolved past trauma, it's psychology not spirituality. It's like when people blamed things on demons in the past.

People react like that because they have unresolved issues, when they work past and resolve them then the problems stop. The trick is finding the source.

But there is no monster inside you that feeds on this and makes you do things. That's just stupid, no tradition I have known believes that. People say it's a metaphor but the way he writes doesn't convince me it is.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23421995 - 07/08/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

To be honest I think he's just taking us for a ride by watering down past teachings and putting them in a book. Even his story of "awakening" seems off to me, as well as other parts of his story. I mean he charges people $400 to attend his talks. If that's not money grubbing I don't know what is.

I don't like the whole instant enlightenment thing he's pushing either.


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    #23430250 - 07/10/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well I think the concept of the power of now..is indeed true

We are only in one instant which is eternal and present.

We still project and think about things as seperate but we are always going to be here in a perfect instant regardless...That is the power of now!


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    #23430989 - 07/11/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Constantly trying to be in the now is a sure way to not be in the now. All talk about the now is nonsense as we are never not in the now.

The whole thing is silly. Mind chatter,worry, and depression are all part of life and cannot be avoided.




Of the many thousands of thoughts we have every day, most are focused on the past and the future.

You can believe anxiety and depression are inevitable, but many have experienced they are optional.

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    #23431001 - 07/11/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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But there is no monster inside you that feeds on this and makes you do things.




The pain body is not a "monster". Where did you hear that!? You missed the whole point.

Trauma has repercussions. You've never emotionally blown up about an insignificant incident?  We all have.

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That's just stupid, no tradition I have known believes that.




You've never heard of Satan or the Devil, that tempts you to do harmful things and suffer?

Do you live in a cave?


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    #23434849 - 07/12/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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But there is no monster inside you that feeds on this and makes you do things.




The pain body is not a "monster". Where did you hear that!? You missed the whole point.

Trauma has repercussions. You've never emotionally blown up about an insignificant incident?  We all have.

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That's just stupid, no tradition I have known believes that.




You've never heard of Satan or the Devil, that tempts you to do harmful things and suffer?

Do you live in a cave?




I don't believe in Satan or the devil.

As for it being a monster, you clearly didn't read the same book I did. He makes it sound like a parasite feeding of and controlling you. No other eastern philosophy I have read makes it sound like that. That sounds like Christians saying the devil is in you, is just not true. All they are are experiences and thoughts whose power is from what you give them. You say it's a metaphor but from what I read he doesn't seem to feel the same about it.

All it is is trauma that is unresolved. The only times I have blown up is when I have a stressful day and it's the straw that brakes the camels back. Not by some parasite that compels me to react negatively and feeds off me, and attracts bad things to me (which is just not true by the way, stuff happens regardless of how you feel).

Honestly the way he preaches about the now is the same way I hear evangelists talk about God. Except he's only speaking from his own experience and might be overestimating it. There are better books out their but this one got popular because Oprah got to it.


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    #23435148 - 07/12/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What Eastern philosophies have you read that don't preach about the now?


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    #23435333 - 07/12/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They don't preach. They casually speak of it while offering practical advice for obstacles,


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    #23435814 - 07/12/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Why would you read a book titled, "The Power Of Now" if you didn't want the author to preach about the now?

I'm still curious as to what philosophies you are referring to?  Is mantra practical to you?  Or believing in various Buddha forms that are extensions of yourself?

Is the story of Hanuman practical? 


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    #23435827 - 07/12/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would you read a book titled, "The Power Of Now" if you didn't want the author to preach about the now?

I'm still curious as to what philosophies you are referring to?  Is mantra practical to you?  Or believing in various Buddha forms that are extensions of yourself?

Is the story of Hanuman practical? 




I read it because someone recommended it, but it didn't sit right with me. Something just felt off when I read it.


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    #23435886 - 07/12/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So what in the Eastern philosophies sit well with you?

I don't see the practicality in them so I am curious as to how you see them as practical.


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    #23436415 - 07/12/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

More like just meditating, they make it seem less magical and fantastical than the power of now. They also don't treat the mind and thinking like an enemy, but something that is. That my thoughts aren't good or bad but just thoughts, they only have the power I give them.


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    #23436436 - 07/12/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's practical for me to understand how I create my own "problems"
and how I disturb myself with the perspectives I adopt.

With hundreds of billions of dollars being spent every year on meds
to address cognitive struggles, it's become popular to view our
difficulties as the result of biological defects.

Anxiety, depression, rage, violence, addiction, and obesity . . . 

It's practical to understand the origin of these experiences.


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    #23436526 - 07/12/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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More like just meditating, they make it seem less magical and fantastical than the power of now. They also don't treat the mind and thinking like an enemy, but something that is. That my thoughts aren't good or bad but just thoughts, they only have the power I give them.



I still would like to know what Eastern philosophies you are talking about?  They make it even more magical imo because they say you can realize enlightenment.

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It's practical for me to understand how I create my own "problems"
and how I disturb myself with the perspectives I adopt.

With hundreds of billions of dollars being spent every year on meds
to address cognitive struggles, it's become popular to view our
difficulties as the result of biological defects.

Anxiety, depression, rage, violence, addiction, and obesity . . . 

It's practical to understand the origin of these experiences.




I agree.  My use of the word practical is in reference to Thanatos' dismissal of Eckhart's pain-body concept because it seems like a living thing to him and that doesn't make sense but then he talks about these unnamed Eastern philosophies, which all of them as far as I'm aware have impractical roots similar to the pain-body, ie gods and Buddhas and different planes of existence.

I don't think Thanatos is really looking for our opinions on this book.  He just wants to complain about it.


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    #23436567 - 07/12/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I just didn't really get much out of the whole thing.

I do remember getting a feeling where my head felt good, and there was some kind of warm on my body, going across the skin. I felt slightly wired, and inside it was like a small turmoil. Whatever it was I wanted it to end. It was a feeling that didn't feel good at all. That was from the first ten pages.

Oddly enough when I retread that part I can't recreate the feeling.


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    #23437297 - 07/13/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

lol this thread has become thanatos just getting everyone to cater to him because he doesn't get it


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    #23437475 - 07/13/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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lol this thread has become thanatos just getting everyone to cater to him because he doesn't get it




Where have you been?  This has been a problem in PSP in the past, many times.


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    #23437571 - 07/13/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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lol this thread has become thanatos just getting everyone to cater to him because he doesn't get it




And once again you people are of little help.


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    #23437703 - 07/13/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Who the fuck said it's my job to help you, asshole?

You've taken this entire thread and derailed it to be all about you and having everyone respond to every one of your rebuttals as to why their explanation is wrong in your eyes.


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    #23437813 - 07/13/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Who the fuck said it's my job to help you, asshole?

You've taken this entire thread and derailed it to be all about you and having everyone respond to every one of your rebuttals as to why their explanation is wrong in your eyes.




Most threads tend to go on tangents.


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    #23437816 - 07/13/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I haven't read it but honestly I think all one "needs" is to graze on some quotes from the writings to plant the seed of change...

“Realize deeply that the present moment is all you have. Make the NOW the primary focus of your life.”

“As soon as you honor the present moment, all unhappiness and struggle dissolve, and life begins to flow with joy and ease. When you act out the present-moment awareness, whatever you do becomes imbued with a sense of quality, care, and love - even the most simple action.”

“Thinking is only a small aspect of consciousness. Thought cannot exist without consciousness, but consciousness does not need thought”

“...the past gives you an identity and the future holds the promise of salvation, of fulfillment in whaterver form. Both are illusions.”



Sure it reads good on paper, but there ain't much more to it, for me.


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    #23440698 - 07/14/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Of course not. He's describing being, not something you get but something you already have. If you're riddled with anxiety about the future or haunted by your past you can make a great deal of upheaval in your life by asking yourself if any of those problems exist in this exact moment, relaxing into the moment allows you to let go rather than get more.


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    #23440717 - 07/14/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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relaxing into the moment allows you to let go rather than get more.



Cuz that's so easy. :rolleyes:

I want to be happy but my brain chemistry won't let me. :shakefist:


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    #23440753 - 07/14/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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relaxing into the moment allows you to let go rather than get more.



Cuz that's so easy. :rolleyes:

I want to be happy but my brain chemistry won't let me. :shakefist:



Seems like a carrot on a stick to me. I bet that if you were happy right now you wouldn't feel fulfilled, you'd just start wanting something else. Its like filling a barrel with a hole in it.


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    #23440772 - 07/14/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You don't know me.


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    #23440776 - 07/14/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

one of the ideas us seeking types get stuck on is that enlightenment is some acvhievement to have at a time in the future when that's just us not listening

IT'S NOW

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    #23440851 - 07/14/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I just didn't really get much out of the whole thing.

I do remember getting a feeling where my head felt good, and there was some kind of warm on my body, going across the skin. I felt slightly wired, and inside it was like a small turmoil. Whatever it was I wanted it to end. It was a feeling that didn't feel good at all. That was from the first ten pages.

Oddly enough when I retread that part I can't recreate the feeling.




To me, I think you play Devil's Advocate with yourself.  You seem like an intelligent person that knows you're intelligence isn't and will not be enough to grok this experience, so you're interested in this kinda stuff, but you want control and part of this realm of experience is giving up control. 

It's cool to me that you were feeling stuff within the first 10 pages.  To get sensations like you describe, to me, means you were getting it a level beyond intellect but once your started analyzing you're experience you put a lid on the whole thing. 

It's interesting you tried to recreate that experience afterwords. 

I suspect you're not as close-minded as you seem and you're gonna open yourself someday to this stuff.  Maybe I'm completely wrong though :shrug:


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    #23440854 - 07/14/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You don't know me.



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    #23440901 - 07/14/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes I do, again, you don't know me. Speak for yourself or shut up.


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lol this thread has become thanatos just getting everyone to cater to him because he doesn't get it




Where have you been?  This has been a problem in PSP in the past, many times.



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Who the fuck said it's my job to help you, asshole?

You've taken this entire thread and derailed it to be all about you and having everyone respond to every one of your rebuttals as to why their explanation is wrong in your eyes.





I don't understand why posters around here give OP a heard time for creating his own thread and having people "cater" to him.  This thread is about his inability to understand a book.  That's the point of the thread and therefore discussion.

Even if he disagrees with everything, the conversation is the point rather than him agreeing with you.  How high are you guys that he has to agree with you in order for him to not be a nuisance?


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    #23440930 - 07/14/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

didn't know he was op, but that changes nothing because op is always a... :highdog:


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    #23440935 - 07/14/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes I do, again, you don't know me. Speak for yourself or shut up.



Ok. I've been looking for myself for the better part of a year and I've come up with nothing.
I'm not this body
These thoughts
The sensations
The emotions
The thing moving these limbs
Any part of experience
It goes on. The reasoning is simple. If I can see it, its clearly not me, but what's seeing?

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    #23440943 - 07/14/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

isn't the key to not 'knowing yourself' enough to just accept that you can't, and to be that?


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    #23440976 - 07/14/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Perhaps, taking someone else's word for it isn't good enough for me


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    #23441400 - 07/14/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

so what's the difference between accepting yourself as you are and "knowing thyself"?


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    #23441506 - 07/14/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Knowing what you are not


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    #23441602 - 07/14/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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No


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    #23442191 - 07/14/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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so what's the difference between accepting yourself as you are and "knowing thyself"?




I think to "know thyself" is to recognize our conditioning and abandon the false self-images we try to uphold.

Acceptance is the willingness to experience ourselves and our lives as it is, without resistance and anxiety.


Regarding being present, Hafiz wrote


  What do sad people have in common?

  It seems they have all built a shrine to the past

  And often go there and do a strange wail and worship.

  What is the beginning of happiness?

  It is to stop being so religious like that.


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    #23443970 - 07/15/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes I do, again, you don't know me. Speak for yourself or shut up.



Ok. I've been looking for myself for the better part of a year and I've come up with nothing.
I'm not this body
These thoughts
The sensations
The emotions
The thing moving these limbs
Any part of experience
It goes on. The reasoning is simple. If I can see it, its clearly not me, but what's seeing?

When someone says they know themself I'm split between jealousy and cringing



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    #23445237 - 07/15/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I just didn't really get much out of the whole thing.

I do remember getting a feeling where my head felt good, and there was some kind of warm on my body, going across the skin. I felt slightly wired, and inside it was like a small turmoil. Whatever it was I wanted it to end. It was a feeling that didn't feel good at all. That was from the first ten pages.

Oddly enough when I retread that part I can't recreate the feeling.




To me, I think you play Devil's Advocate with yourself.  You seem like an intelligent person that knows you're intelligence isn't and will not be enough to grok this experience, so you're interested in this kinda stuff, but you want control and part of this realm of experience is giving up control. 

It's cool to me that you were feeling stuff within the first 10 pages.  To get sensations like you describe, to me, means you were getting it a level beyond intellect but once your started analyzing you're experience you put a lid on the whole thing. 

It's interesting you tried to recreate that experience afterwords. 

I suspect you're not as close-minded as you seem and you're gonna open yourself someday to this stuff.  Maybe I'm completely wrong though :shrug:




It was not something I analyzed. It was old ground to be honest. I've read it dozens of times before. But I just remember the feeling was not a comfortable one, in fact it felt wrong. I also found it odd that a description of something similar was right underneath the phrase that triggered it (which could mean that my body might have just reacted according to what was written ahead without knowing it).

The rest of the book didn't feel right. It lacked the love and understanding that other authors I have read had in their works. It felt rather condescending.


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    #23454210 - 07/18/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I know what music I like. That tells me I know something about me.





Do you like the same music now that you did when you were 12?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23456115 - 07/19/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Why is that relevant?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: liquidlounge]
    #23456586 - 07/19/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Music preference might tell you something about an aspect that comes and goes, but is there any part of you that never leaves or changes?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23457188 - 07/19/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

awareness


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Re: Power of Now [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #23457256 - 07/19/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to share a really cool book that a Shroomery member wrote about 10 years ago. It's similar to the Power of Now in some respects but is not derivative or based on Eckhart's book at all. I promise it is badass.

PM me if you wish to read :japsmile:


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23468289 - 07/23/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

JForce said:
Music preference might tell you something about an aspect that comes and goes, but is there any part of you that never leaves or changes?



Knowledge is not necessarily a constant. :shrug:


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