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Re: Power of Now [Re: yeah]
    #23440914 - 07/14/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah said:
lol this thread has become thanatos just getting everyone to cater to him because he doesn't get it




Where have you been?  This has been a problem in PSP in the past, many times.



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yeah said:
Who the fuck said it's my job to help you, asshole?

You've taken this entire thread and derailed it to be all about you and having everyone respond to every one of your rebuttals as to why their explanation is wrong in your eyes.





I don't understand why posters around here give OP a heard time for creating his own thread and having people "cater" to him.  This thread is about his inability to understand a book.  That's the point of the thread and therefore discussion.

Even if he disagrees with everything, the conversation is the point rather than him agreeing with you.  How high are you guys that he has to agree with you in order for him to not be a nuisance?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: cez]
    #23440930 - 07/14/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

didn't know he was op, but that changes nothing because op is always a... :highdog:


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Re: Power of Now [Re: liquidlounge]
    #23440935 - 07/14/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes I do, again, you don't know me. Speak for yourself or shut up.



Ok. I've been looking for myself for the better part of a year and I've come up with nothing.
I'm not this body
These thoughts
The sensations
The emotions
The thing moving these limbs
Any part of experience
It goes on. The reasoning is simple. If I can see it, its clearly not me, but what's seeing?

When someone says they know themself I'm split between jealousy and cringing


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23440943 - 07/14/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

isn't the key to not 'knowing yourself' enough to just accept that you can't, and to be that?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: yeah]
    #23440976 - 07/14/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Perhaps, taking someone else's word for it isn't good enough for me


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23441400 - 07/14/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

so what's the difference between accepting yourself as you are and "knowing thyself"?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: yeah]
    #23441506 - 07/14/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Knowing what you are not


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23441602 - 07/14/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

really?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: yeah]
    #23441730 - 07/14/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23442191 - 07/14/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah said:
so what's the difference between accepting yourself as you are and "knowing thyself"?




I think to "know thyself" is to recognize our conditioning and abandon the false self-images we try to uphold.

Acceptance is the willingness to experience ourselves and our lives as it is, without resistance and anxiety.


Regarding being present, Hafiz wrote


  What do sad people have in common?

  It seems they have all built a shrine to the past

  And often go there and do a strange wail and worship.

  What is the beginning of happiness?

  It is to stop being so religious like that.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23443970 - 07/15/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
Yes I do, again, you don't know me. Speak for yourself or shut up.



Ok. I've been looking for myself for the better part of a year and I've come up with nothing.
I'm not this body
These thoughts
The sensations
The emotions
The thing moving these limbs
Any part of experience
It goes on. The reasoning is simple. If I can see it, its clearly not me, but what's seeing?

When someone says they know themself I'm split between jealousy and cringing



I know what music I like. That tells me I know something about me. I will likely not have full knowledge of me.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: cez]
    #23445237 - 07/15/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I just didn't really get much out of the whole thing.

I do remember getting a feeling where my head felt good, and there was some kind of warm on my body, going across the skin. I felt slightly wired, and inside it was like a small turmoil. Whatever it was I wanted it to end. It was a feeling that didn't feel good at all. That was from the first ten pages.

Oddly enough when I retread that part I can't recreate the feeling.




To me, I think you play Devil's Advocate with yourself.  You seem like an intelligent person that knows you're intelligence isn't and will not be enough to grok this experience, so you're interested in this kinda stuff, but you want control and part of this realm of experience is giving up control. 

It's cool to me that you were feeling stuff within the first 10 pages.  To get sensations like you describe, to me, means you were getting it a level beyond intellect but once your started analyzing you're experience you put a lid on the whole thing. 

It's interesting you tried to recreate that experience afterwords. 

I suspect you're not as close-minded as you seem and you're gonna open yourself someday to this stuff.  Maybe I'm completely wrong though :shrug:




It was not something I analyzed. It was old ground to be honest. I've read it dozens of times before. But I just remember the feeling was not a comfortable one, in fact it felt wrong. I also found it odd that a description of something similar was right underneath the phrase that triggered it (which could mean that my body might have just reacted according to what was written ahead without knowing it).

The rest of the book didn't feel right. It lacked the love and understanding that other authors I have read had in their works. It felt rather condescending.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: liquidlounge]
    #23454210 - 07/18/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:

I know what music I like. That tells me I know something about me.





Do you like the same music now that you did when you were 12?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23456115 - 07/19/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Why is that relevant?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: liquidlounge]
    #23456586 - 07/19/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Music preference might tell you something about an aspect that comes and goes, but is there any part of you that never leaves or changes?


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23457188 - 07/19/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

awareness


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Re: Power of Now [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #23457256 - 07/19/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to share a really cool book that a Shroomery member wrote about 10 years ago. It's similar to the Power of Now in some respects but is not derivative or based on Eckhart's book at all. I promise it is badass.

PM me if you wish to read :japsmile:


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23468289 - 07/23/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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JForce said:
Music preference might tell you something about an aspect that comes and goes, but is there any part of you that never leaves or changes?



Knowledge is not necessarily a constant. :shrug:


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