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Re: Power of Now [Re: cez]
    #23435827 - 07/12/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would you read a book titled, "The Power Of Now" if you didn't want the author to preach about the now?

I'm still curious as to what philosophies you are referring to?  Is mantra practical to you?  Or believing in various Buddha forms that are extensions of yourself?

Is the story of Hanuman practical? 




I read it because someone recommended it, but it didn't sit right with me. Something just felt off when I read it.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23435886 - 07/12/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So what in the Eastern philosophies sit well with you?

I don't see the practicality in them so I am curious as to how you see them as practical.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: cez] * 1
    #23436415 - 07/12/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

More like just meditating, they make it seem less magical and fantastical than the power of now. They also don't treat the mind and thinking like an enemy, but something that is. That my thoughts aren't good or bad but just thoughts, they only have the power I give them.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: cez]
    #23436436 - 07/12/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's practical for me to understand how I create my own "problems"
and how I disturb myself with the perspectives I adopt.

With hundreds of billions of dollars being spent every year on meds
to address cognitive struggles, it's become popular to view our
difficulties as the result of biological defects.

Anxiety, depression, rage, violence, addiction, and obesity . . . 

It's practical to understand the origin of these experiences.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23436526 - 07/12/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
More like just meditating, they make it seem less magical and fantastical than the power of now. They also don't treat the mind and thinking like an enemy, but something that is. That my thoughts aren't good or bad but just thoughts, they only have the power I give them.



I still would like to know what Eastern philosophies you are talking about?  They make it even more magical imo because they say you can realize enlightenment.

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It's practical for me to understand how I create my own "problems"
and how I disturb myself with the perspectives I adopt.

With hundreds of billions of dollars being spent every year on meds
to address cognitive struggles, it's become popular to view our
difficulties as the result of biological defects.

Anxiety, depression, rage, violence, addiction, and obesity . . . 

It's practical to understand the origin of these experiences.




I agree.  My use of the word practical is in reference to Thanatos' dismissal of Eckhart's pain-body concept because it seems like a living thing to him and that doesn't make sense but then he talks about these unnamed Eastern philosophies, which all of them as far as I'm aware have impractical roots similar to the pain-body, ie gods and Buddhas and different planes of existence.

I don't think Thanatos is really looking for our opinions on this book.  He just wants to complain about it.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: cez]
    #23436567 - 07/12/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I just didn't really get much out of the whole thing.

I do remember getting a feeling where my head felt good, and there was some kind of warm on my body, going across the skin. I felt slightly wired, and inside it was like a small turmoil. Whatever it was I wanted it to end. It was a feeling that didn't feel good at all. That was from the first ten pages.

Oddly enough when I retread that part I can't recreate the feeling.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23437297 - 07/13/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

lol this thread has become thanatos just getting everyone to cater to him because he doesn't get it


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Re: Power of Now [Re: yeah] * 2
    #23437475 - 07/13/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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lol this thread has become thanatos just getting everyone to cater to him because he doesn't get it




Where have you been?  This has been a problem in PSP in the past, many times.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: yeah]
    #23437571 - 07/13/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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lol this thread has become thanatos just getting everyone to cater to him because he doesn't get it




And once again you people are of little help.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23437703 - 07/13/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Who the fuck said it's my job to help you, asshole?

You've taken this entire thread and derailed it to be all about you and having everyone respond to every one of your rebuttals as to why their explanation is wrong in your eyes.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: yeah]
    #23437813 - 07/13/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Who the fuck said it's my job to help you, asshole?

You've taken this entire thread and derailed it to be all about you and having everyone respond to every one of your rebuttals as to why their explanation is wrong in your eyes.




Most threads tend to go on tangents.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Khancious]
    #23437816 - 07/13/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I haven't read it but honestly I think all one "needs" is to graze on some quotes from the writings to plant the seed of change...

“Realize deeply that the present moment is all you have. Make the NOW the primary focus of your life.”

“As soon as you honor the present moment, all unhappiness and struggle dissolve, and life begins to flow with joy and ease. When you act out the present-moment awareness, whatever you do becomes imbued with a sense of quality, care, and love - even the most simple action.”

“Thinking is only a small aspect of consciousness. Thought cannot exist without consciousness, but consciousness does not need thought”

“...the past gives you an identity and the future holds the promise of salvation, of fulfillment in whaterver form. Both are illusions.”



Sure it reads good on paper, but there ain't much more to it, for me.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: liquidlounge]
    #23440698 - 07/14/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Of course not. He's describing being, not something you get but something you already have. If you're riddled with anxiety about the future or haunted by your past you can make a great deal of upheaval in your life by asking yourself if any of those problems exist in this exact moment, relaxing into the moment allows you to let go rather than get more.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23440717 - 07/14/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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relaxing into the moment allows you to let go rather than get more.



Cuz that's so easy. :rolleyes:

I want to be happy but my brain chemistry won't let me. :shakefist:


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Re: Power of Now [Re: liquidlounge]
    #23440753 - 07/14/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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relaxing into the moment allows you to let go rather than get more.



Cuz that's so easy. :rolleyes:

I want to be happy but my brain chemistry won't let me. :shakefist:



Seems like a carrot on a stick to me. I bet that if you were happy right now you wouldn't feel fulfilled, you'd just start wanting something else. Its like filling a barrel with a hole in it.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23440772 - 07/14/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You don't know me.


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23440776 - 07/14/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

one of the ideas us seeking types get stuck on is that enlightenment is some acvhievement to have at a time in the future when that's just us not listening

IT'S NOW

just let yourself fall in it


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Re: Power of Now [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #23440851 - 07/14/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I just didn't really get much out of the whole thing.

I do remember getting a feeling where my head felt good, and there was some kind of warm on my body, going across the skin. I felt slightly wired, and inside it was like a small turmoil. Whatever it was I wanted it to end. It was a feeling that didn't feel good at all. That was from the first ten pages.

Oddly enough when I retread that part I can't recreate the feeling.




To me, I think you play Devil's Advocate with yourself.  You seem like an intelligent person that knows you're intelligence isn't and will not be enough to grok this experience, so you're interested in this kinda stuff, but you want control and part of this realm of experience is giving up control. 

It's cool to me that you were feeling stuff within the first 10 pages.  To get sensations like you describe, to me, means you were getting it a level beyond intellect but once your started analyzing you're experience you put a lid on the whole thing. 

It's interesting you tried to recreate that experience afterwords. 

I suspect you're not as close-minded as you seem and you're gonna open yourself someday to this stuff.  Maybe I'm completely wrong though :shrug:


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Re: Power of Now [Re: liquidlounge]
    #23440854 - 07/14/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You don't know me.



lol neither do you


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Re: Power of Now [Re: JForce]
    #23440901 - 07/14/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes I do, again, you don't know me. Speak for yourself or shut up.


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