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lowbrow
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: Gilzman] 1
#23405093 - 07/02/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eastern Missouri checking in. Got some fireworks for the 4th.
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: lowbrow]
#23407627 - 07/03/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know this post has nothing to do with the topic, but this appears to be literally the only thread i can post on at the moment. I need help from the folks at the shroomery (if your too irritated about the off topic post you may ignore it if you like), so here it is:
While doing research over the past month and a half I've found these things to be true:
Psilocybin and psilocin are more stable when dissolved in a medium, as they are more shielded from oxidation when in this state. For this reason fresh magic mushrooms are considered to contain higher quantities of psilocybin and psilocin when compared to magic mushrooms that have been dried out. This is because the alkaloids psilocybin and psilocin are dissolved in the preexisting water inside each fresh magic mushroom, whereas dried magic mushrooms contain little to no water acting as a solvent/medium to protect the psilocybin and psilocin from oxidation. However water is by no means the best solvent to protect the psilocybin and psilocin from degradation. Honey is considered favorable by many as a medium to dissolve psilocybin and psilocin in, as it is wonderful at keeping oxygen and contaminants out thus prolonging the shelf life of psilocybin and psilocin. For this reason many people make what is called blue honey (psilocybin and psilocin infused honey). However the issue with using blue honey as a means of long term storage is that most if not all methods of making it involve some form degredation of the psilocybin and psilocin before the honey can be infused with it. For this reason or another many choose not to go this route unless they either have more magic mushrooms than they know what to do with, are unable to use them at the moment and won't be able to for awhile, prefer the taste over eating just straight mushrooms, or prefer a discreet way of using/storing them without raising any attention. Other concoctions that involve dissolving the psilocybin and psilocin within a medium include shroom tea or shroom infused fruit juices. Unfortunately many of these methods of consumption involve serious degradation of psilocybin and psilocin during the process of preparing each concoction and result in a major loss in potency (defined as the overall quantity of actives not the bioavailability in this case). The reason for this is because when the psilocybin and psilocin are dissolved into hot water the rate of degredation due to oxidation rapidly speeds up. Some may profess that this is not the case and that they've gotten just as "high" or higher off of shroom tea or other similar concoctions as they would have from just eating straight shrooms. I can assure you that these people are wrong. The surviving psilocybin and psilocin particulates that get dissolved into the concoction are nearly as small as they can get and are absorbed into the blood stream at a much faster rate than that of straight shrooms, as the body must first digest away the fungal material before it can absorb the psilocybin and psilocin. Furthermore the effects from shroom tea can be described as follows: a loss in potency (the overall quantity of actives) CAN equate to an increased bioavailability, a shorter trip (due to the loss of actives in the beginning), and an equal or greater high than that of straight shrooms. This is assuming that the following constants were maintained: a proper water temperature was used, average species concentration was taken into account, the shrooms were not left to leach for too long, the resulting shroom tea was not too diluted, and that the shroom tea was used as soon as possible. Another major set back to making shroom tea is it has nearly no shelf life (most of the time) and must be used right away. This is because the atomized nature of the active particles in the shroom tea makes it extremely susceptible to degredation due to a combination of sunlight (or any light at that matter) and the heat that it may cause, as well as oxidation caused by any oxygen already dissolved in the water. However degredation can be prevented to an extent if an antioxidant such as ascorbic acid (vitamin C) or ginger extract/juice is incorporated in the concoction. One can demonstrate this effect by mashing up some shroom material in water thus turning the water blue and then adding a small amount of vitamin C to the water. If done correctly the water should clear up quickly.
I hypothesize that if a standard Pf cake was made using a solution of sugarless honey mixed with an antioxidant in addition to the usual brown rice flower/vermiculite/water mixture, then the resulting mushrooms would be more potent and would have a longer shelf life when dried. This is assuming that the water ingredient be adjusted to maintain the correct moisture level, and that all measures are taken to prevent contamination. My reasons for this hypothesis is that mycelium only breaks down certain nutrients for food and sugarless honey and the antioxidant aren't one of them. Because of this, due to their solubility in water, the sugarless honey and the antioxidant would leach into the mycelium (being made of mostly water) thus becoming a part of the mycelium. Since mushrooms are made of mycelium one can conclude that the mushrooms would also be leached with sugarless honey and the antioxidant. Therefore the mushrooms could be dried without significant degredation of psilocybin and psilocin, as they would then be protected from oxidation by the sugarless honey and antioxidant that is already inside of the mushrooms themselves.
I am already aware that there may be an increased chance of contamination, but then again maybe not.
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: CheerEOs97]
#23407699 - 07/03/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, I believe Pans are mostly psilocybin and little to no psilocin. Also, The chemical reaction inside the body is that psilocybin is converted to psilocin and it is psilocin that is actually the chemical that has the psychoactive properties?
In any case, if I have an excess of pans, I dry them under a small halogen desk lamp and then mix them into strait honey. Honey is an amazing natural food that gets its secret properties mostly because it is hydroscopic. That is, it destroys bacteria by sucking it dry. Honey, believe it or not, is actually very dry. So putting the pans into honey, to me, is an excellent way of further drying them out, killing off pathogens, an having a cheap means to preserve them. Adding water is not what I would do. Putting them in honey also blocks off O2.
My own way of enjoying them is to put them into a bullet blender and add fruit and water and obliterate the shrooms to very fine pieces. Choke this down and that is effective.
What is "sugarless honey"? perhaps you might want to let the grower forums know about all this???
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: Gilzman]
#23407719 - 07/03/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can you point me to an active one because this is the only thread i can post on at the moment not sure why though.
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: CheerEOs97]
#23407722 - 07/03/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sugarless honey is honey in which no sugar has been added to it yet.
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: CheerEOs97]
#23407738 - 07/03/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess you mean raw & Unfiltered honey? That is what I use.
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: Gilzman]
#23407741 - 07/03/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: lowbrow]
#23407773 - 07/03/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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lowbrow said: Eastern Missouri checking in. Got some fireworks for the 4th.
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: Gilzman]
#23407921 - 07/03/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gilzman said: Well, I believe Pans are mostly psilocybin and little to no psilocin. Also, The chemical reaction inside the body is that psilocybin is converted to psilocin and it is psilocin that is actually the chemical that has the psychoactive properties?
That is correct. Baeocystin and Norbaeocystin are also important psychoactive alkaloids in mushrooms.
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: daz01]
#23409742 - 07/04/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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More moorland cincts:
     
Prints:

Haul not great but not too shabby some really fat stipes
332m, habitat was a patch of green grass in a sheep field.
This thread is poppin, more cinctulus!
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: Blazeyy] 1
#23410190 - 07/04/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very nice!
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: myceliups]
#23410639 - 07/04/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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PINK PANS!!!!!
WOW,very cool brother,i have them spores! but,not the same area type....PINKISH,is just strait COOL......
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: Peteyboy]
#23416426 - 07/06/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Peteyboy said:
Dude that is the greatest idea! So simple and that Pan is a BEAUTY!! I'm totally going to copy you this weekend lol....did you have the pile in the sun or in the shade?
i literally did this just to see what species might pop up. so far two inky species and a conocybe have fruited besides that Pan. had two more of these pans growing and the slugs got to them in a thunderstorm the other night.
i put it in a spot that holds moisture but gets a good amount of direct sunlight each day; maybe around 6 hrs direct and a few more dappled. it is in the morning and late afternoon shade and is the only spot where moss grows at the margins...if that helps at all.
good luck!
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: relic]
#23416714 - 07/06/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you! I've been waiting for your response...I only want to move the poop once lol....I'll find a spot with similar conditions and will begin the watering lol...
Very cool that others have popped up...interesting little project...when I was looking in the pasture I could see alot of "paddys" were colonized with mycellium but just to dry to fruit...
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: Peteyboy]
#23416854 - 07/06/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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FWIW, it seems that the pans fruit on the drying cycle. i checked my log and i watered it for five straight days that it didn't rain then skipped a day due to being busy and the NEXT day the pan popped up.
most recently, it rained or i watered for another five straight days then it was extra humid day and night for two days so i didn't water and then the 8th day these two newest ones fruited...unfortunately slugs ate the gills out of em then they got hammered in a flooding thunderstorm.
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: relic]
#23419905 - 07/07/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Today's hunt 
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: ST1R]
#23420126 - 07/07/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: relic]
#23420171 - 07/07/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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 That's a damn lot!
Are they actually growing on fresh hay stacks stacked on top of each other (like farmers do before feeding it too the animals for winter) like the photo makes it look like or is a "fresher" rotting hay/manure pile?
My hay/manure Pans were destroyed by morons dumping garbage on top, like wood and plastic and grass/dirt piles.
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: Blazeyy]
#23420172 - 07/07/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Blazeyy said: More moorland cincts:
     
Prints:

Haul not great but not too shabby some really fat stipes
332m, habitat was a patch of green grass in a sheep field.
This thread is poppin, more cinctulus!
Inspired by this post i headed up to my lib spots from last year today, went into the sheep pasture where i literally found millions of libs last year and found 3 or 4 mushrooms that I thought were the right ones, then went up to where i had initially discovered my libs last year there wasnt much fruitage here either, but its been rather dry lately too(and hot today), what I did see was some dung piles which had a LOT of mushrooms growing in them but unfortunately i did not get to investigate...
A very big issue with todays pick is that there was FLIES EVERYWHERE, they could not be escaped, was up there at about 4pm so maybe because it was getting into evening it was worse, but it was relentless to try and concentrate on identifying a mushroom with all this going on.
Would bug spray be a good investment or will there be other times of the day i could head up and to have not so much fly activity?
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Re: Who's down for a Panaeolus Cinctulus thread? [Re: mycameteur]
#23420363 - 07/07/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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How have I missed this thread!

epic hunting guys!!!
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