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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: pablokabute]
#23409411 - 07/04/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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pablokabute said: there some some sort of synergistic flow about it. and since its fermented, technically, its already spoiled so naturally, it also acts as a preservative. you wanna know why its revolutionary, you would have do the ferment and test the potency to understand.
whats good about it is that you dont have to make tea by heating, somehow making it a more efficient method of extracting... and since psilocin breaks down with heat, maybe there are more psilocin in there than whats available with traditional heating method.
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pablokabute said: Ive already made lots and lots of people happy with this. Im sure you will too. )
thanks for the heads up.
at first I was very hesitant to do this cuz I was thinking psilocybin and psilocin would be broken down along with the process, now that we know they wont, theres a whole new frontier to explore! )
ready-to-drink-mushroom-softdrinks anyone? hahaha
Why not just make tea and cool it down? Isnt it the same thing?
i dont know, im just not seeing what is so revolutionary about all this
Making the tea is a lot quicker tho and since psilocin and psilocybin dont like light and oxygen its not necessarily more potent.
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One reason why Im doing what Im doing...
...is that.. I spilled some fermented mushroom tea on a wooden table... its color is light brownish... after a while when I come back and it has dried out... it stained blue... I dont see that happening from heated tea.
which leads me to think... the magic is preserved and protected in the concoction. I dont have anything to verify this but its just my gut feel...
making the tea from fresh mushrooms is a lot quicker to do but when you dont see yourself partaking in a good while and wanna dry your mushrooms, which may take a while, why not just ferment the fresh mushrooms and store the liquid afterwards..
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: pablokabute]
#23409483 - 07/04/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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In a feremented liquid youll probably see a lot more degradation than in a dry vaccum sealed bag. If its enough to noticably reduce potency is another question.
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OP why not blend up the mushrooms in some water before fermenting?
or just dice up the fresh mushrooms beforehand
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: pablokabute]
#23409543 - 07/04/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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howsyournaggerdoin said: In a feremented liquid youll probably see a lot more degradation than in a dry vaccum sealed bag. If its enough to noticably reduce potency is another question.
the longest sampled batch I took was around a month old and no noticeable potency loss. a buddy of mine has been making traditonal tea stored for up to a year with marked potency loss. not to mention the smell was horrible, smells like shit sludge. I think when its fermented, the actives are protected a tad bit more but thats just my 2 cents.
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23409556 - 07/04/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: OP why not blend up the mushrooms in some water before fermenting?
or just dice up the fresh mushrooms beforehand
I shred and clean em by hand thats why theyre on the coarse side.
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: pablokabute]
#23409585 - 07/04/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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howsyournaggerdoin said: In a feremented liquid youll probably see a lot more degradation than in a dry vaccum sealed bag. If its enough to noticably reduce potency is another question.
the longest sampled batch I took was around a month old and no noticeable potency loss. a buddy of mine has been making traditonal tea stored for up to a year with marked potency loss. not to mention the smell was horrible, smells like shit sludge. I think when its fermented, the actives are protected a tad bit more but thats just my 2 cents.
I wasnt talking about storing tea. I was talking about drying the mushrooms and than vaccum sealing them which should be superior for long term storage. If you store them in a fermented liquid parts of the actives will probably fall victim to oxidation which could be a problem if you plan on storing it for a year or longer
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yeah, a dehydrator and a foodsaver are a growers best friend
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: pablokabute]
#23409597 - 07/04/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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pablokabute said: One reason why Im doing what Im doing...
...is that.. I spilled some fermented mushroom tea on a wooden table... its color is light brownish... after a while when I come back and it has dried out... it stained blue... I dont see that happening from heated tea.
which leads me to think... the magic is preserved and protected in the concoction. I dont have anything to verify this but its just my gut feel...
making the tea from fresh mushrooms is a lot quicker to do but when you dont see yourself partaking in a good while and wanna dry your mushrooms, which may take a while, why not just ferment the fresh mushrooms and store the liquid afterwards..
Color change doesn't necessarily mean its potent.. itsw just an indiacation of oxidation of the active compounds.
Also when your making tea the potency is not affected, the temperature is not that high to fuck with the compounds, and also its in water, the information that your getting of the compounds being degraded is when its in crystallised form, and not in a liquid
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: pablokabute]
#23409623 - 07/04/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Props to you on the recipe! Looks like an acquired taste tho but id be willing to try. Get a airlock if you ever get serious into fermentation. It is fascinating how long these drinks can last with the correct preservation techniques. Taking into account ph and acid level. YOur recipe could likely be pasuturized and still be highly potent.cheers
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: Teemo 6T3]
#23412236 - 07/04/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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pablokabute said: One reason why Im doing what Im doing...
...is that.. I spilled some fermented mushroom tea on a wooden table... its color is light brownish... after a while when I come back and it has dried out... it stained blue... I dont see that happening from heated tea.
which leads me to think... the magic is preserved and protected in the concoction. I dont have anything to verify this but its just my gut feel...
making the tea from fresh mushrooms is a lot quicker to do but when you dont see yourself partaking in a good while and wanna dry your mushrooms, which may take a while, why not just ferment the fresh mushrooms and store the liquid afterwards..
Color change doesn't necessarily mean its potent.. itsw just an indiacation of oxidation of the active compounds.
Also when your making tea the potency is not affected, the temperature is not that high to fuck with the compounds, and also its in water, the information that your getting of the compounds being degraded is when its in crystallised form, and not in a liquid
yea but having to taste it firsthand, can I just say the potency was superb?
and by looking at the color of the tea... not having any hint of blue, then appears the stain after spilling some, can I say the actives are being protected from the liquid suspension from oxidation? no?
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#23412247 - 07/04/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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preschooler said: Props to you on the recipe! Looks like an acquired taste tho but id be willing to try. Get a airlock if you ever get serious into fermentation. It is fascinating how long these drinks can last with the correct preservation techniques. Taking into account ph and acid level. YOur recipe could likely be pasuturized and still be highly potent.cheers
thanks for the heads up.
airlocks are expensive af. might as well construct some from corks and sturdy hose. hehe.
yea if one pasteurizes the brew, you can be stuck at your 'desired' taste. becuz the longer this hangs out the more fermented the taste would become. even refrigerated... but I like the 'live' part so Id pass.
do you brew anything?
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: pablokabute]
#23412270 - 07/04/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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also... if you have your shrooms in this fermented tea form, getting a sip every now and then for microdosing would be way convenient... and the onset is really fast too.
anyway, I just do this whenever I hunt for pan cyan, because drying them is a pain in the ass. not to mention when you dry em, they stain so much that I think most of the compounds get oxidized and gets lost.
Ive been drying before and side by side, fermenting them is just way convenient (dare I say more potent)... its like extraction in a way. after you hunt, you ferment em all. after a day or two, you filter out the solids, refrigerate the tea and youre done. thats the idea.
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: pablokabute]
#23412517 - 07/05/16 02:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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pablokabute said: One reason why Im doing what Im doing...
...is that.. I spilled some fermented mushroom tea on a wooden table... its color is light brownish... after a while when I come back and it has dried out... it stained blue... I dont see that happening from heated tea.
which leads me to think... the magic is preserved and protected in the concoction. I dont have anything to verify this but its just my gut feel...
making the tea from fresh mushrooms is a lot quicker to do but when you dont see yourself partaking in a good while and wanna dry your mushrooms, which may take a while, why not just ferment the fresh mushrooms and store the liquid afterwards..
Color change doesn't necessarily mean its potent.. itsw just an indiacation of oxidation of the active compounds.
Also when your making tea the potency is not affected, the temperature is not that high to fuck with the compounds, and also its in water, the information that your getting of the compounds being degraded is when its in crystallised form, and not in a liquid
yea but having to taste it firsthand, can I just say the potency was superb?
and by looking at the color of the tea... not having any hint of blue, then appears the stain after spilling some, can I say the actives are being protected from the liquid suspension from oxidation? no?
The liquid suspension is actually the problem why constant oxidation will occur and as its already been said color =/= potency.
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pablokabute said: also... if you have your shrooms in this fermented tea form, getting a sip every now and then for microdosing would be way convenient... and the onset is really fast too.
anyway, I just do this whenever I hunt for pan cyan, because drying them is a pain in the ass. not to mention when you dry em, they stain so much that I think most of the compounds get oxidized and gets lost.
Ive been drying before and side by side, fermenting them is just way convenient (dare I say more potent)... its like extraction in a way. after you hunt, you ferment em all. after a day or two, you filter out the solids, refrigerate the tea and youre done. thats the idea.
Actually when you dry them theres going to be much less oxidation because it only takes a few hours. When theyre dry, vaccum sealed and in the freezer they should be good for years.
When you ferment them there will be constantly oxidation in the liquid
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: pablokabute]
#23412675 - 07/05/16 05:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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preschooler said: Props to you on the recipe! Looks like an acquired taste tho but id be willing to try. Get a airlock if you ever get serious into fermentation. It is fascinating how long these drinks can last with the correct preservation techniques. Taking into account ph and acid level. YOur recipe could likely be pasuturized and still be highly potent.cheers
thanks for the heads up.
airlocks are expensive af. might as well construct some from corks and sturdy hose. hehe.
yea if one pasteurizes the brew, you can be stuck at your 'desired' taste. becuz the longer this hangs out the more fermented the taste would become. even refrigerated... but I like the 'live' part so Id pass.
do you brew anything?
Yea I do a little bit .Not fantastic at it but learning....beer wine.. etc THis idea is really great because the fermentation doesn't take that long vs a wine or beer fermentation that would take months.
Expensive? lol You can get like three for 6-7 bucks but like you said, you can construct one as well. I have larger 7-8 gallon stainless steel water jug I converted into a primary fermenter. I just tape an airlock on top. You just need the measurements of the opening on your jug to buy the correct bung. Airlocks are universal.
I can understand the "desired" taste thing completely. Just gotta be careful with closed lids and active fermentations. Bottles can go bang in the middle of the night.
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#23412904 - 07/05/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: spookman]
#23419087 - 07/07/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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updated with the simple fermentation tek.
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! [Re: pablokabute]
#23428752 - 07/10/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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bumpity.
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Re: Fermented mushroom tea is the BOMB!! (tek) [Re: pablokabute]
#23430217 - 07/10/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is awesome. I drink water kefir daily and never even thought to give this a try. My next fresh run will defiantly try this out.
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