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TrippedyTrip Registered: 09/07/15 Posts: 514 Last seen: 6 years, 7 months |
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Thanks for your posts guys , the thing is i have became a guy with no feet and no head .
Nothing was understood in logic anymore because of certain dumb factors i see now. I will go on forward and when im prepared im going to give ir a try and re-post. Thanks
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Stranger Registered: 04/19/14 Posts: 647 Loc: UK Last seen: 4 years, 4 months |
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Quote: Being a medical professional is not synonymous with always being right and knowing everything though. Dr.s have been wrong about a lot of things in the past and still are to this day. They learn as much as anyone else does. The current scientific studies on people with mental health and long term treatment resistant depression have shown incredibly positive benefits with the use of Psilocybin mushrooms. The Lancet study I know is not without fault. There was no double blinded placebo group and they used a small sample set of volunteers, but the results were staggering. Of course nothing is without risk, but nothing ventured nothing gained is my opinion. -------------------- My Psychedelic experiences: LSD - 30+ times (2 hits min / max 3 hits) every time. Shrooms - 4 times (2.5 - 3.5g) DMT - 5 times (Powerful breakthrough only once) Life can be one hell of a bitter pill to swallow so I chose acid instead -YeOlde Edited by YeOlde (06/25/16 07:22 AM)
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Registered: 05/04/14 Posts: 1,016 Loc: NZ |
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Quote: Yeah, it's true that they're not always right and they don't know everything, but what's your point? They most likely know a lot more about it than you or I or anyone on this website, seeing as they've most likely studied the subject for years and years and have dedicated their career to it. Imagine if somebody had a broken arm, and you said to them "just because they're a medical professional, doesn't mean they're necessarily right. They're still learning too." People would very rightly look at you very strangely, completely ignore your advice, and then call an ambulance. Quote: That's too strong of a conclusion to make, in my opinion (although I definitely agree with the spirit of what you're saying.) To quote from the Lancet study you mentioned: "This study provides preliminary support for the safety and efficacy of psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression and motivates further trials, with more rigorous designs, to better examine the therapeutic potential of this approach." Later on in the article, the authors state that they searched for articles looking at psilocybin and depression and they couldn't find any clinical trials, and only a few references and review articles. So the "current scientific studies" that you're referring to seem to only be the article in question we're talking about. Quote: This goes for AuroraBorealis88 too: what exactly is your opinion based off of? What makes you think the risks are warranted? How are you guys coming to your conclusions? In the aforementioned Lancet article, and in all of the other instances of psychotherapy with psilocybin, there's always an extensive review of the patients before taking the medicine and support offered afterwards. In my opinion, it's extremely irresponsible to try and draw conclusions from the paper without following their methodology. It's irresponsible to suggest to people that they undertake this kind of treatment without any of the screening and support that they would actually receive if they did it in a professional setting. Here's the screening that they used in the Lancet article: "Screening consisted of written informed consent, a thorough evaluation of the patient’s physical and mental health background, a psychiatric interview (MiniInternational Neuropsychiatric Interview), clinician assessments of depression severity (the 21-item HAM-D and the Montgomery-Åsberg Depression Rating Scale [MADRS], and Global Assessment of Functioning [GAF]; all assessed by MBo), and additional patient-rated scales (16-item Quick Inventory of Depressive Symptoms [QIDS], Beck Depression Inventory [BDI—original version], Spielberger’s State-Trait Anxiety Inventory [ form 2, trait version only; STAI-T], and the SnaithHamilton Pleasure Scale [SHAPS]). Patients also received a thorough physical health check, consisting of an electrocardiogram, routine blood tests, blood pressure, heart rate, and physical examination. At the end of screening, eligible patients were given an opportunity to meet with the two clinical psychiatrists who would support them through the remainder of the trial." There's a rather interesting book called Sacred Knowledge written by William A. Richards, who is one of the people at John Hopkins working on psilocybin research, and has also spent his life on psychotherapy with entheogens. There's a chapter in the book called "Psychedelic frontiers in medicine", which has the resounding message that while these drugs have a lot to offer for psychotherapy, there's a big difference between simply eating magic mushrooms and eating them in a clinical setting, after a screening process, with guides and professionals on hand to make the most of the experience. I can't be bothered typing passages of the book out, but you can find at least part of the chapter here -------------------- All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream
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Stranger Registered: 06/25/16 Posts: 4 Last seen: 7 years, 7 months |
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So I've used LSD and Mushrooms numerous times. I have had life changing experiences on both of them in negative and positive ways. My second time ever taking psychedelics was a very very very bad one. I would never wish a bad trip on anyone. If you've ever experienced a trip so horrible that it's almost impossible to get out of until you're coming down, then you would know exactly what I'm talking about.
What I've learned most from taking hallucinogens is it's all relevant to your life and thoughts. If you lost your job, boyfriend/girlfriend broke up with you, someone passed away yesterday, you've been feeling suicidal or more down than usual, etc. I would not recommend tripping. Keep in mind also, everyone is different. Our minds don't think the same... or maybe they do. Personally it's more of a trial and error effort of what helped me figure out how to have a consistent good trip. For example, I enjoy smoking some green, lighting candles, a color changing light to get me vibing. If I feel hesitant to trip then I know that I probably shouldn't. There are ways to distract you if you're feeling like your trip is turning dark; just do something that keeps your brain busy. From how it sounds in your current mental state, I would probably not recommend it. I would personally wait a good while after you've recovered; when you're confident about doing it. Edited by NotRiley (06/25/16 10:13 PM)
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TrippedyTrip Registered: 09/07/15 Posts: 514 Last seen: 6 years, 7 months |
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I am now in a moment whetther bad/good i am like new born and learning little thing by thing.
I will w8 a bit till i dont have this brain foggyness anymore and give it a try. The thing is i have lost my consciousness in a way or it has turnen very grey at start.Because i had always issues in my subconscious mind popping up and not letting me live at peace. Now i am but i still feel very tired and lazy in a way althought it keeps going better
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Psychonaughty Registered: 10/14/12 Posts: 334 Last seen: 6 days, 16 hours |
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Quote: It's not psychedelics what treated mental illnesses, psychotherapy with psychedelics treated them. And even cured, yes. Some people imagine that it's like you eat mushrooms, hope for the best and everything is cool. But psychedelic psychotherapy was a bit more complicated. There was an experienced therapist and some sitters, tons of moral support, preparatory psychotherapy, experience integration, safe and pleasant environment, and a lot of things OP clearly doesn't have. And they all are necessary for a not very stable psychonaut. As I know, psychosis is a serious thing. If you have ever had one, you must be careful and sleep well, avoid stress and so on. Because you know this may happen again. I know mushrooms could help. Or not. Or do worse. We don't know, and even OP doesn't know. So if OP needed advise (not permissions or justifications or good vibes), here it is: don't play with fire, it's probably not worth it. -------------------- You gave me a wonderful, wonderful world, And you gave me eyes to see it, And you gave me LSD to open them.
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POSIX Compliant Registered: 06/11/16 Posts: 29 Last seen: 7 years, 4 months |
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I haven't read the whole thread. That said I don't think psychedelics are a good idea. Anyone who has ever had a psychotic break should not be doing these kinds of drugs. If you can get away with it then fine, but you are playing Russian roulette with your sanity. If I ever develop psychosis then I'm 99% sure that would be the end of my psychedelic use. It might be tempting because well drugs can be fun, but is that worth your sanity? You can achieve that inner peace/clarity from meditation or other sources, psychedelics are more of a shortcut, but also a precipitator of psychosis.
Ultimately it's up to you, but if you find yourself in the hospital afterwards, then you know you have to quit for good.
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TrippedyTrip Registered: 09/07/15 Posts: 514 Last seen: 6 years, 7 months |
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It wasnt quite Psychosis i think.
All these monotone life/living alone + stress factors of work etc made me fall down down down and i had a inner self full of fear and anxiety with a strange thinking habit. My perception blew totally off but im now 1 month recovering without weed etc and feel better. The times i did shrooms i enjoyed it but like smoking weed wich maybe was full of chemichals also because good quality is hard to find in Germany in my city. I have learned a lot about this journey but it will be a long time to recover i guess. I just know my father is pretty crazy gone when he and my mother divorced and since then he has like a social illness because he lives in his thoughts obsessed in bringing my mother to prison for what she did. He never did drugs though Maybe do the genetics play a role with my mind or something? I enjoyed ganja myself 2 years amazingly but it started when i got depressed and went falling down down down into the voooooid.
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Stranger Registered: 04/19/14 Posts: 647 Loc: UK Last seen: 4 years, 4 months |
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Quote: I disagree regarding Dr's "must know more". They haven't been studying psyches for years and years on people, with mental conditions because prohibition has restricted the ability for scientists to study the effect of said drugs on people. My psychiatrist even told me Dr's use a lot of Google... it's a tool available to us as well. We can read books and form opinions too. You don't need to be a Dr to do that. As I said before, if it was me with mental health problems I'd take the risk. I did take the risk, and benefited hugely from it too. Mental health problems practically destroy your life anyway, so to me I see the risk as warranted. I'd gamble. I don't think the risk of becoming psychotic from shrooms is large. I've already expressed my reasons why in above posts. Doctors are a master of diagnosis (especially with google), not pharmacology. Psychiatrists are trained to treat mental disorders with various different coping mechanisms such as therapy and drugs as a tool in conjunction with therapy. Psychedelics (MDMA, LSD and PSilocybin) all having had success as a tool with the therapy. When I say nothing ventured nothing gained I don't need to base it on anything other than truth. If you don't venture; just stay in your arm chair all your life, what things will be changed? - it's a simple fact. Putting yourself out there and takings risks is what life's all about. You won't ever make friends or find love if you don't venture and take the risk. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Life is full of risk when you "venture". My personal opinion as to why I think it's worth it is there's no scientific evidence to suggest Psychedelics cause Psychosis. It can make pre-existing conditions worse or better that's fairly evident but that's what I mean by it being a risk. You either take it or you don't. So long as the OP is aware of it which I did make pretty clear. Lastly I also base it on my own personal experience. I took Psychedelics when my mind was very much ill. PTSD, depression and anxiety for a long time and for me LSD and Shrooms have had a MAJOR improvement in my life. No Dr's have ever suggested or given me either, instead they gave me drugs that made me worse. Dr's also circumcise infants without their consent for no good medical reason. They're wrong to do that too. Dr's will always follow protocol and what's in the book. You need someone to be a bit daring in their practice for anything to change. We don't learn new things by not doing anything and just "doing what the book says". Doctors used to give lobotomies and elctro convulsive "therapy" to people with mental health problems in the 1940's as well. Like circumcision it was falsely believed to be ethical.. (how in the hell, I'll never know). Don't ever forget things like this. Dr's aren't some type of unquestionable, all knowing super power. They learn about things and get things wrong and learn that way all the time. I'd really suggest you trawl though these forums, and you'll find there are many many many success stories to be read about how positive psyches have helped people with mental health problems. EDIT: I agree there are reports of where they have left people with anxiety issues and other things but you will tend to find trends in these experiences. Things like bad set/setting, not setting a goal and being focused on what they seek to achieve going into the trip, smoking weed before the peak and too high doses. I think you should take an open forum full of people who've tried the drugs, whilst being mentally ill as a great piece of evidence to come to any conclusions on how you feel about whether they are beneficial or not. EDIT: Also note, the "methodology" used in the lancet study (i.e. no conjuctive therapy) is certainly not practised here from the threads you read. We're talking street drugs and trips with friends / alone. It's important to consider that too isn't it? Finally you know as well as I do that a Physical problem like a broken arm is something a Dr will truly be special in attending. Mental health problems are a totally different beast. There's some "success" with treating psychosis with D2 receptor antagonists, it has been progressive but is by far an ideal situation. It just turns them into zombies, bit like the good ol lobotomy but without the ethical problems. My uncle is schizophrenic so you could argue I have family history of it making me more "high risk" and I see him on his "anti-psychotics" and it's a sad thing to see. Very sad. Oh and I'm still sane, despite a so called elevated risk of it. I took a risk and gained. Anti-depressants for depression? well I've been there too as have many others and the Dr's know full well their efficacy is anywhere near ideal. Why do you think they're turning to Psilocybin? Ever read the side-effects profile of AD drugs? They must have some faith in it to potentially take risks in studying something prohibited with all the added costs etc. Peace. -------------------- My Psychedelic experiences: LSD - 30+ times (2 hits min / max 3 hits) every time. Shrooms - 4 times (2.5 - 3.5g) DMT - 5 times (Powerful breakthrough only once) Life can be one hell of a bitter pill to swallow so I chose acid instead -YeOlde Edited by YeOlde (06/27/16 06:35 PM)
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Stranger Registered: 04/19/14 Posts: 647 Loc: UK Last seen: 4 years, 4 months |
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Quote: See the other thing is it comes across like you aren't really "psychotic" in terms of say being schizophrenic either reading your posts. It sounds like you may have more susceptibility to depression and not coping with things well going by your dads experience. Genetics. Hell the things I've done could be considered psychotic. Having PTSD, anxiety and depression has made me without a doubt "psychotic" to some defintion of the word. You're not even saying you don't think it was psychosis now so my initial incline seemed to be right all along. Sounds like you got beaten down by life. It's common and happens to us humans a lot, look at the extra complexity with built and added to life for ourselves? You know it's not without risk but that's life OP. If you decide to trip, I'd suggest thinking of a goal going into it. Realise what are you taking will be in full control and be comfortable with this. Whatever's in the subconscious will come to the surface and so long as you face it bravely and with an open mind (you should be expecting all that) there's much to be gained when you're sober from having such a profound experience. Think about the things you bury in your mind, the things that give you anxiety, meditate and breathe going into the trip and it will very likely be the focus on your experience. I used psyches for my issues and had great success OP. I used some of the advice on this site: How To Use Psychedelics Good luck in whatever you try OP. Everything has an element of risk in it life. You won't get anywhere though if you don't change anything. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" Even in the worst case scenario, there's nothing saying you won't recover from an experience that's negative. There's always a good possibility you could treat any recurring "psychosis" by abstaining from drugs, exercising and maybe an aid of anti-psychotics or benzos with a doctors help. More time passed from a bad time on shrooms the more you'll get better, it's a trend I've read in many experiences. -------------------- My Psychedelic experiences: LSD - 30+ times (2 hits min / max 3 hits) every time. Shrooms - 4 times (2.5 - 3.5g) DMT - 5 times (Powerful breakthrough only once) Life can be one hell of a bitter pill to swallow so I chose acid instead -YeOlde
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Stranger Registered: 04/19/14 Posts: 647 Loc: UK Last seen: 4 years, 4 months |
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Matai - This Link actually references numerous studies where psychedelics have been used on people with mental health problems and have shown positive results.
As soon as something positive occurs, the DEA and drugs prohibitionists raid the labs, revoke the licenses and prevent the research. I could speculate why but I won't go down that road. Just know, the recent Lancet study is not the only bit of research that has been done showing positive outcomes., it's just the most recent (to my knowledge). As I said before, check these forums. I'd definitely consider personal testimony to be solid in a world of prohibition, it could be amongst the best you're gonna get for a while. -------------------- My Psychedelic experiences: LSD - 30+ times (2 hits min / max 3 hits) every time. Shrooms - 4 times (2.5 - 3.5g) DMT - 5 times (Powerful breakthrough only once) Life can be one hell of a bitter pill to swallow so I chose acid instead -YeOlde Edited by YeOlde (06/27/16 07:40 PM)
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TrippedyTrip Registered: 09/07/15 Posts: 514 Last seen: 6 years, 7 months |
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Hey yeolde ,
The past 4 weeks recovering have been strange. My memory hay increased every week and my perception is getting better. I smoked a J to sleep yesterday not really stuffed 0,2 maybe. I felt as if my brain was pumping but and thoughout the day i cant really think clearly i just do things because but im enjoying life steü by step. I also have measured my brain circumference and it is 57 cm wich i searched on the internet and the adult men size is 53cm. I have like a constant worry that my brain/head has shrinked and people look at me rare on the streets. When i go alone out anxiety kicks in not as much as before but i start sometimes sweating and cant think clear. I cant feel my head brain weight as i used to , its all foggy.. I did some therapeutical/corporal sessions with my psychiatrist where she held my head and i could feel the heat of it. But when i move around etc i cant feel it and worry about it. Have you experienced the same feelings? Thanks
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Stranger Registered: 04/19/14 Posts: 647 Loc: UK Last seen: 4 years, 4 months |
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If you tripped on shrooms 4 weeks ago, is your desire to use them again truly medicinal? I mean you should really have gone into the experience and came out better overall providing you followed the steps a lot of us talked about going in.
Sounds like you have a lot of anxiety to me. An unhealthy amount of anxiety. I came out of my shroom experience feeling refreshed and renewed with a totally new outlook on life. A lot of the immediate positive changes were only temporary for me so I plan on waiting a long period before doing them again because I feel repeating them sparingly will bring the most benefit. But many lasting positive changes have remained. If you're getting therapy from a psychiatrist then personally I wouldn't recommend any regular drug taking. If you do something, make it sparingly not habitually. You know your own body better than me...Do you feel like your mentioned anxiety issues were caused by the shrooms or just worsened or neither? Was you like this prior to the experience 4 weeks ago? I have suffered with anxiety before without a doubt but it wasn't related to the use of psychedelics. The only time I'd say I had rebound anxiety due to drugs was when I came off Weed after daily smoking for years and the other time when withdrawing from Benzo's but it was only temporary. Have you made any changes to your life that may have made your anxiety worse? Added something? Cut something out? Intense depression makes anxiety bad too. Always worrying about shit that has or hasn't happened before. Dwelling on things. I've had foggy head and anxiety before but this was due to depression and too many drugs being used habitually. It just made everything a blur in general. I found exercising was really good. Get the blood flowing, wakes you right up and keeps you fresh. Diet was really important too, do you drink enough water? Drinking water can really get rid of that foggy head feeling. You can confirm you're not on any meds at all or just weed? Do you exercise? Exercise has mental health benefits for me that are unparalleled. No drugs have come close to the benefits of regular exercise and general healthy diet. Shrooms though were real medicinal for me. -------------------- My Psychedelic experiences: LSD - 30+ times (2 hits min / max 3 hits) every time. Shrooms - 4 times (2.5 - 3.5g) DMT - 5 times (Powerful breakthrough only once) Life can be one hell of a bitter pill to swallow so I chose acid instead -YeOlde
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ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT) Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 26,370 Loc: Boston |
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Honestly guys i hate to say it but i think bho and tripping most certainly caused all my psychotic episodes, daily synchronicity, and 2 different schizophrenia diagnosis from different psych doctors.
That said, its hard to induce it. You need to do A LOT of drugs. Dried out for 3 years and totally back to normal -------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Stranger Registered: 04/19/14 Posts: 647 Loc: UK Last seen: 4 years, 4 months |
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Quote: But if drugs like shrooms and weed truly CAUSED psychosis there'd be a lot of psychotic people being treated for schizophrenia. I think genetics holds the answer to propensity. They probably have the ability to bring underlying things to the surface but I just don't buy that they cause psychosis. I've never seen a single causal study and a LOT of people smoke weed; far more weed smokers than probably any other drug and the majority of them lead normal productive lives. Over on some of the weed focused forums and other drug forums, there's been schizophrenic people that have reported therapeutic benefit from weed as oppose to making it worse so it's not even clear there either. It's a risk. I think we'd all agree that using Psychedelics will carry some form of risk when it comes to mental health (good or bad). I mean it only takes one truly confirmed case that smoking weed triggered psychosis in one person or shrooms increased a persons anxiety to confirm a level of risk. Whether it's truly causal though is highly debatable. The OP has already admitted to using weed regularly. I think he'd be better off quiting habitual weed taking, exercising and living a good lifestyle and trip only one every couple months or less. He's already done them twice and isn't psychotic as we speak. Guys just anxious from the sounds of it. OP also let me just say, I KNOW what anxiety is like to live with. Things like you're saying regarding worrying about your brain having shrunk.. it's classic. I use to think I was about to seizure and heart attack when I was in the middle of anxiety moments. It feels REAL but it's not. That's why it's so fucked. It's all in the mind. Your brain hasn't shrunk, I'm telling you that!! I think you need to meditate and exercise. Put that on your priorities. Drop the habitual weed and make any shroom usage sporadic. -------------------- My Psychedelic experiences: LSD - 30+ times (2 hits min / max 3 hits) every time. Shrooms - 4 times (2.5 - 3.5g) DMT - 5 times (Powerful breakthrough only once) Life can be one hell of a bitter pill to swallow so I chose acid instead -YeOlde Edited by YeOlde (06/28/16 08:53 AM)
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TrippedyTrip Registered: 09/07/15 Posts: 514 Last seen: 6 years, 7 months |
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Hey men thanks for answers!
It was strange because i was falling more more into the home but not even being consciouss of it escaping more from reality. Shrooms hadnt brought me anxiety and i took them last year.. they dont have anything to do with it. It was more weed/life-stress/living alone/mind-chatter fuck/etcetc All this problems came in a way when i started to smoke regularly. My psychiatrist also recommended me the use of some benzos for my anxiety for some time. Talk therapy is helping me and the love of friends and family. I am on recovery now 4-5 weeks and i havent taken any meds and smoked 2 times and did a canna-tea for sleep each times. I exercised nearly every day sweating hard and drunk minimun 2l of water. I am getting better , brain fog is getting better also and i can feel i have my feet attached to life. I dont think my brain has shrinked either because i posses almost everything i have learned but it is like this anxiety doesnt let me to my powerfull state. I can agree and i will use shrooms when im ready intentionally with my friend as a sitter to guide me and will use it as pure medicine to life and give me love and new expectations in life. Thanks
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