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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: twighead]
#23379498 - 06/25/16 02:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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This has nothing to do with what economists say. Wales voted along with England in over whelming majority to leave the EU. The majority of the Scottish electorate voted to remain part of the UK.
Its as simple as that!
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: EllisDSox]
#23379503 - 06/25/16 02:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Then why do you want England to be laughed at? Yes i am happy we're out of the EU.
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: Bubbles85]
#23379509 - 06/25/16 03:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't. The above posts were not executed with a particularly high level of seriousness. Why are you happy to be out?
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: Bubbles85]
#23379513 - 06/25/16 03:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bubbles85 said: This has nothing to do with what economists say. Wales voted along with England in over whelming majority to leave the EU. The majority of the Scottish electorate voted to remain part of the UK.
Its as simple as that!
The Scottish referendum vote was before this vote though, and that does matter.
I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing the UK left, as a matter of policy - it is good in many ways... However in terms of vastly differing votes based on region it is certain to stoke already underlying issues and tensions.
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: EllisDSox]
#23379514 - 06/25/16 03:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The main reasons for me, are national sovereignty and democracy. The EU by its very nature, is the most un-democratic political union in the developed world. No EU MP is elected by the people and no EU MP can be removed by the people.
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: twighead]
#23379516 - 06/25/16 03:07 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, we'll just have to wait and see what happens in the coming weeks and months.
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: Bubbles85]
#23379523 - 06/25/16 03:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pretty much. It's interesting given that the UK was so pivotal in the birth of the EU - one would think that they would've swung their influence to shape it into something that they desired. Germany can't have been that decisive until its reunification in relatively recent history. I don't know -that- much about how things have changed since then - but it seems that the undue influence of unified Germany on the union is one of the major reasons for the split.
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: Bubbles85]
#23379539 - 06/25/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bubbles85 said: The main reasons for me, are national sovereignty and democracy. The EU by its very nature, is the most un-democratic political union in the developed world. No EU MP is elected by the people and no EU MP can be removed by the people.
I have shamefully little knowledge of how the EU works. MEPs are democratically elected, are they not?
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: twighead]
#23379550 - 06/25/16 03:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's the thing that people don't seem to get, the UK has no influence as a single entity against the rest of the bloc. If you don't agree, you'll be out voted, its as simple as that.
The UK tried and failed many times to make things go in a different direction. To get things to go one way or the other, there must be a majority of agreement on any one side.
Over the past twenty years, there have been 72 occasions in the Council of Ministers where the United Kingdom has tried opposed EU regulation, that directly affected us here at home. Of those 72 occasions, we were out voted 72 times. That's one example of how the UK can't make the EU work for them.
The EU is unwilling to change and will stop at nothing to get things to go the way they want, despite any opposition. Their will is simply imposed and every one just has to deal with it.
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: EllisDSox] 1
#23379591 - 06/25/16 03:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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MEPS are elected by ballot yes, however the European parliament have absolutely no power to pass law. The EU parliament is in effect just a front. The EU commission hold the real power. With 4 EU presidents, non of whom are elected by democratic process
Whilst The European Parliament and Council review proposals by the Commission and propose amendments, the EU commission has the power to over rule them.
This gives the un-elected EU commission absolute power, to basically decide to make things go in any direction of their choosing, regardless of any opposition from the elected MEPs'
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: Bubbles85]
#23379602 - 06/25/16 03:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fair enough. I was mostly swayed by people I know who are professional economists unanimously insisting leaving would be disastrous. I'm not sure how much it will actually effect those of us who aren't involved in international trade, though.
Some investments I have in random shit absolutely plummeted in value literally overnight, but I don't know what's going to happen with that and I definitely don't base my political views on my own financial gain.
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: EllisDSox]
#23379640 - 06/25/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, there would inevitably be some initial uncertainty, but every thing will eventually level off. The FTSE100 has recovered from the initial drop and Sterling has recovered slightly too.
The headlines around the plummet of the pound have been very misleading IMO. It has been far lower in the past and is still stronger even now after the vote, than the USD and the Euro.
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: EllisDSox] 1
#23379767 - 06/25/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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BERSERK DESTROYER said: Fair enough. I was mostly swayed by people I know who are professional economists unanimously insisting leaving would be disastrous. I'm not sure how much it will actually effect those of us who aren't involved in international trade, though.
Some investments I have in random shit absolutely plummeted in value literally overnight, but I don't know what's going to happen with that and I definitely don't base my political views on my own financial gain.
There's 64m people in the UK. The EU and the rest of the world will continue business as usual with the UK after the initial butthurt. Life will go on. Few will notice. Few will care in the long run (well, other than the one-worlders and the Kumbayah crowd).
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23379771 - 06/25/16 05:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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From another thread...
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23379929 - 06/25/16 07:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: From another thread...

All socialists and pro-globalist at moment - "THE UK WILL NEVER RECOVER!!!!11!!1" literally recovered
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: TioWWW999]
#23379930 - 06/25/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Remain voters wake up it's all over
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: Bubbles85]
#23380046 - 06/25/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Financial markets piss me the fuck off to be honest.... anything changes at all for good or bad and tons of greedy fucks just take their money and run
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: EllisDSox]
#23380113 - 06/25/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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BERSERK DESTROYER said: Fair enough. I was mostly swayed by people I know who are professional economists unanimously insisting leaving would be disastrous. I'm not sure how much it will actually effect those of us who aren't involved in international trade, though.
Some investments I have in random shit absolutely plummeted in value literally overnight, but I don't know what's going to happen with that and I definitely don't base my political views on my own financial gain.
So it was all about the money for you, instead of being about freedom?!
Well it looks like you were LIED to by the propaganda machine trying to trick people into voting to stay. The Financial aspect of it was extraordinarily exaggerated by the remain camp. You were LIED TOO!
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: ShiVersblood]
#23380117 - 06/25/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I donno m8 the currency dropped like .1 dollars in value
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Re: Sinn Fein: Brexit Referendum Results Intensifies The Case For United Ireland Vote [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23380289 - 06/25/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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BERSERK DESTROYER said: Fair enough. I was mostly swayed by people I know who are professional economists unanimously insisting leaving would be disastrous. I'm not sure how much it will actually effect those of us who aren't involved in international trade, though.
Some investments I have in random shit absolutely plummeted in value literally overnight, but I don't know what's going to happen with that and I definitely don't base my political views on my own financial gain.
There's 64m people in the UK. The EU and the rest of the world will continue business as usual with the UK after the initial butthurt. Life will go on. Few will notice. Few will care in the long run (well, other than the one-worlders and the Kumbayah crowd).
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