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Offlinebeforethedawn
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    #23375533 - 06/23/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Money is our reality, reality is difficult to obtain and handle, Stoicism and Darwinism, quantum uncertainty, such is the philosophy of the past, such is the philosophy of the future. It will never change but there's no way to be certain.

Time represents nothing,
time presents nothing,
nothing is in the present,
nothing is in the represented.
With nothing in between.
Time is about nothing,
time is in nothing.
Time is IN the Present.
Time repeats.

Nothing has been said. I have presented nothing. This is total nonsense. But that's not what I said.

The present is spiritual wealth. They present money. We say it is "about time", so money represents nothing, we "save it for later." We're getting nowhere. You can bank on this.

Fine, don't believe me. There's no room for belief here. This is reality. The assumption is reality is love. Do you believe in a thing called Love?



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Re: Money [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23375540 - 06/23/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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beforethedawn said:
The assumption is reality is love. Do you believe in a thing called Love?



Absolutely and totally. With all my heart.


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Re: Money [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23375555 - 06/23/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

So then,

what I said was beautiful

making you feel love.

It's true, if you believe it.

So the truth is beautiful.

Love is the truth.


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Re: Money [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23375573 - 06/23/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It's a bit of a wafty theory, but I believe that love is somehow the underlying force of the entire universe.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Money [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23375956 - 06/24/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You are precisely on the right track my friend.

Stay in touch. :heart:


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Re: Money [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23376020 - 06/24/16 03:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I feel so. Many synchronicities have started to appear in my path again. Falling into unconditional love first showed me the power and frequency of synchronicities when one is true to ones heart. Wallowing in pain for a year or so for reasons I shall not go into at this moment I mostly lost sight of them. However a recent change in path to follow my heart again has brought them back in abundance.

I might be a victim of madness, confirmation bias, or any number of the fallibilities of the human condition, but in my simple mind I know one thing; I'm damn sure there's a higher power/intelligence in existence, and if I really work hard on focusing in the right way, then I'm fucking damn sure there's some way to interpret what it provides in the most rudimentary manner. And it's language seems to be something more akin to love than anything else I could describe.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Money [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23379736 - 06/25/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Once again I come back to remind you that all of what you just said is correct. :smile:

Look for patterns in the present. Use time to see where you should start - what do you obsess over?

How does it connect to something in the present?

Look for patterns.

Then, retrace the steps (if you feel you are going the wrong way, or are trapped)

I explained it to my schizophrenic brother tonight, and he went straight into it, no effort needed.

If you connect, your intelligence is their intelligence. It is dumb to overcomplicate, so they will be too dumb to understand.

:heart:

If you rationalise, just see how it FEELS to rationalise AT THAT POINT.

Say you got to stop looking for patterns because you got to feed the kids. GOOD FEELING.

Say you got to stop looking for patterns because it's all nonsense and probability. BAD FEELING.


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Re: Money [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23381058 - 06/25/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

In my experience love is just a fleeting hope people cling to that doesn't help you when you need it the most, and yet you yearn for it, pursue it, in the hopes that something will change.

I'm very doubtful of a higher power or intelligence, because such a thing must really get a kick out of watching people dance into oblivion on this planet. Beyond love, hope, joy, sorrow, and sadness is a void. To it all things go an none return. It seems as though that is to be our fate, to consume ourselves. Then when the dust settles we are nothing but a footnote in eternity. And the universe goes on.

Also what I have learned is just because you believe in something does not make it so.


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Re: Money [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23381241 - 06/25/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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beforethedawn said:
Once again I come back to remind you that all of what you just said is correct. :smile:

Look for patterns in the present. Use time to see where you should start - what do you obsess over?

How does it connect to something in the present?

Look for patterns.

Then, retrace the steps (if you feel you are going the wrong way, or are trapped)

I explained it to my schizophrenic brother tonight, and he went straight into it, no effort needed.

If you connect, your intelligence is their intelligence. It is dumb to overcomplicate, so they will be too dumb to understand.

:heart:

If you rationalise, just see how it FEELS to rationalise AT THAT POINT.

Say you got to stop looking for patterns because you got to feed the kids. GOOD FEELING.

Say you got to stop looking for patterns because it's all nonsense and probability. BAD FEELING.




Today I picked up a place for a fair price and the seller commented on how it is a "feel good" place.  Yes, privacy and space feels good, beautiful trees and plants feel good, shade feels good, looking at nature feels good, having one neighbor and that's it feels good.  They feel good selling it I feel good buying it my realtor feels good making money on a quick deal.  It is possible to have a win win win situation, given proper circumstances where all can win.  Not typical, but possible.


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Re: Money [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23383059 - 06/26/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Time is money and genuine love can't be bought.

I believe selfless love is genuine care and selfish love is selfish desire, which is okay but it's not real love.


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Re: Money [Re: sudly]
    #23383525 - 06/26/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
Time is money and genuine love can't be bought.

I believe selfless love is genuine care and selfish love is selfish desire, which is okay but it's not real love.



BOOM. Bang on sudly, right with ya on that. I see you posting more of this kinda thing recently. You feel you're attitude towards such concepts is changing or are you just talking about it more?


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Re: Money [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23383855 - 06/26/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Not to ignore anyone else but I too have noticed a big change in sudly. :smile:

What's really beautiful and enlightening is to find reality couldn't have been any other way.

The only logically possible world is a perfect world.


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Re: Money [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23385072 - 06/26/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe I summarised it better :shrug:
It's the same belief I've had for a while now.


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Re: Money [Re: sudly]
    #23385231 - 06/26/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Time is money and genuine love can't be bought.

I believe selfless love is genuine care and selfish love is selfish desire, which is okay but it's not real love.




But how do you determine whether or not something is genuine? People are usually motivated by something that causes them to act, usually guilt. Or maybe it's something that occurs below awareness.

And how can you be sure that you can't buy genuine love? I sure there are at least some instances of it occurring.


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Re: Money [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23385456 - 06/26/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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But how do you determine whether or not something is genuine? People are usually motivated by something that causes them to act, usually guilt. Or maybe it's something that occurs below awareness.




Axiomatically.
E.g. Someone is with their partner because they care about them and want what's best for them.
Or
Someone is with their partner for their own convenience and are taking them for granted.

Motivation may come around as a need for some people because as the saying goes, "necessity is the mother of invention."

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And how can you be sure that you can't buy genuine love? I'm sure there are at least some instances of it occurring.




Because respect is usually something you have to earn.
In a way you can buy respect but you can also buy fake boobs so I wouldn't consider it real.


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Re: Money [Re: sudly]
    #23385701 - 06/26/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Isn't it usually because they want something in return or is it because society tends to sometimes value the saint like behavior some show (like a loved one taking care of you when you no longer can).


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Re: Money [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23385789 - 06/26/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

More money more better...more money more happy? Not always.

"Time is money and genuine love can't be bought"

Having traveled extensively in 3rd world nations I can tell you this is patently false.


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Re: Money [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #23385952 - 06/26/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Time is money doesn't have to mean anything about happiness, it's just that time has to be spent to make money.

So how'd you figure out you can buy true love in a third world country?


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Re: Money [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23385960 - 06/26/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'd like to think morals are to blame.


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Re: Money [Re: sudly]
    #23385991 - 06/26/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

When resources are scarce relationships...real ones...can be based on the distribution of those resources. Hungry people can't love...only fed ones. The hungry ones just want to survive. Maybe if you haven't seen real poverty this is not easy to accept. Real poverty doesn't exist in the US by the way...


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Re: Money [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #23386049 - 06/26/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I've seen third world poverty and it's more expansive in comparison but that doesn't mean poverty doesn't exist in America either.


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The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development's 5th Annual Homeless Assessment Report to Congress estimated that 1.56 million people, or one in every 200 Americans, experienced homelessness and found shelter between October 1, 2008 and September 30, 2009




It's sounds to me like you're comparing corporate or resource loyalty to love.


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Re: Money [Re: sudly]
    #23386064 - 06/26/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

No. If you feed a starving person they will feel genuine affection for you...you helped them to live...this is not ignored and a valuable quality where resources are scarce. It is ALSO love...the real deal. If you save a persons life they may end up loving you for it...very simple. Fat Americans and Europeans have the luxury to explore "true and untarnished ideas" which are really so much fancy bullshit. Forget notions of true love that require only acceptance. Humans don't really do that..they just talk about it like this thread does. By the way in the US one can ask for help and get it. I have been as poor (distant past) as one can get in the U.S. and I am humbled by third world poverty.


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Re: Money [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #23386107 - 06/26/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If someone is in a desperate situation and they're starving then I'm sure you can buy appreciation but that doesn't signify selfless love from the hungry people.

You can care about someone without being in love with them. 
Doctors save people's lives, that doesn't mean the patients who's lives were saved will love their doctors.

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Forget notions of true love that require only acceptance. Humans don't really do that..they just talk about it like this thread does.



Acceptance? Do you mean empathy, compassion or sympathy? Because they're all different.


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Re: Money [Re: sudly]
    #23386273 - 06/27/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The world is in total crisis.

Total crisis, a kind of painful age not seen before.

We go one of two ways from here.

These is the darkest age. The darkest. Much worse than the actual Dark Ages.

Either total bliss and light or total annihilation.

You need to realise if you have comfort, food, water, education, internet, you're in like a class of 3% of the world population.

90% of that 3% is brainwashed and apathetic.

Where do you stand?

What are YOU going to do about it?

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By the way if we're having the same thoughts on these forums it's because we're all connected.


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Re: Money [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23386320 - 06/27/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I think our society is somewhere in between a utopia and a dystopia as I agree that we have a polarised world. 

Unless a nuclear war destroyed most of the worlds technology and all atheists died, we're not going back into conditions similar to that of those in the Dark Ages.

I try not to take my opportunity to live in modern society for granted, I appreciate modern living.

I stand with getting money out of politics with an amendment to overturn 'Citizens United'.    @WOLFPAC.COM

That way funds can be better spent on societies needs rather than on billionaires and war mongering weapons manufacturers.


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Re: Money [Re: sudly]
    #23386461 - 06/27/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

A rainforest is a much better home than your apartment, or what have you, if you have the eyes to see.

The consciousness to see...

Frequencies...

Really all we are doing in modern life is behaving like machines, and doing self-maintenance.

No really.


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Re: Money [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23386490 - 06/27/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Rain forest environments are cool too.

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beforethedawn said: Really all we are doing in modern life is behaving like machines, and doing self-maintenance.




Humans really are just skin covered sacks of meat and bone with electrically conductive innards that act in a similar fashion to how an organic computer would.


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Re: Money [Re: sudly]
    #23386573 - 06/27/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm, bit of a disconnection with your other previously stated idea?

The body is not 'real', it is part of the environment, the environment is imagination.

The mind can easily turn the body into what it wants it to be, within limits.


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Re: Money [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23388076 - 06/27/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I think emotions like love are the 'software' of humans as I see us as organic computers.

The body is the 'hardware' of a human and when it dies it will rot into the environment and become fertiliser.

Exercise can get you healthy and people can wear clothes but it's incredibly far fetched of you to suggest humans can go through some sort of mentally originated metamorphosis.

What you're describing is called imagination.


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Re: Money [Re: sudly]
    #23388309 - 06/27/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

get a good job with more pay and you're ok as floyd said


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Re: Money [Re: bass head]
    #23388331 - 06/27/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:doublefacepalm:


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Re: Money [Re: sudly]
    #23388592 - 06/27/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Wrong...you think but I know...love as a fanciful notion is a fairy tale. The reality is that love is a deal...you give this and I give that...we agree to do this or renegotiate...or split. This is love. All of the noble values you associate with it are part of the agreement made...like respect, understanding...those are just arrangements we make. If your partner breaks the arrangement you split. This does not make it less...survival is the rule and if someone helps you with that, and you reciprocate then it is love. Why is that bad?


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Re: Money [Re: Huehuecoyotl] * 1
    #23388657 - 06/27/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said: The reality is that love is a deal...you give this and I give that...we agree to do this or renegotiate...or split. This is love. All of the noble values you associate with it are part of the agreement made...like respect, understanding...those are just arrangements we make.




Love is a form of giving without expectation of return.
What you're talking about does not sound like that.


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Re: Money [Re: sudly]
    #23389454 - 06/27/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Disagree big time.

Love is what there is without fear.

Love trumps fear.

Fear is what creates all this violence.

We've actually made the truth 'tiresome',

tiresome

BECAUSE WE DON'T LISTEN NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES AN INCARNATION TELLS US!

If you act on violence, without doubt, without fear, you will totally dominate.


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Re: Money [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23390061 - 06/28/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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