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Offlinerecalcitrant
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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: timetravel]
    #2347050 - 02/17/04 07:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

How about how the diesel engine was originally designed to run on hemp seed oil. Growing hemp enriches the soil instead of depletes it. It promotes health.

Everyone in NorthAmerica should be building up defences around their hidden plots and hording life sustaining supplies.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: recalcitrant]
    #2347092 - 02/17/04 08:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

How about how the diesel engine was originally designed to run on hemp seed oil.

the first idea was to run it on coal dust, and then he switched to vegetable oil... peanut oil actually. if you own a diesel driven car or truck, you can convert it to run on vegetable oil fairly easily with an inexpensive kit. "biodiesel" can also be made from vegetable oil and fed straight into a nonconverted diesel engine. why aren't more people doing this you ask? because petroleum is still cheaper.

Growing hemp enriches the soil instead of depletes it.

hemp is not a nitrogen-fixing crop. it does not enrich the soil.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: ]
    #2347202 - 02/17/04 08:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The energy contained in a single lightning stroke can power a 100 Watt light bulb for 90 days, which is equivalent to 215 kWh (kilo-Watt hours).

http://home.fuse.net/engineering/LightningFacts.htm

Around here electricity goes for about $.06 per KiloWatthour. So an average lightning bolt is worth about $13.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2347335 - 02/17/04 09:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Your letting it all go to waste!!! O wait... can capcitors hold electrical strikes from lightning?


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: ]
    #2366153 - 02/22/04 01:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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1. people will continue to use oil as long as it is the cheapest available source of energy.
2. as oil becomes more expensive than other sources of energy, people will turn to those other sources.
3. if energy becomes more expensive, people will use less of it




Factories rely on oil to run and so as oil becomes more expensive, unfortunately, it will not be possible to produce solar panels, electric cars, etc. So we need to act now to produce alternative energy run cities if more people are to survive the effects of the oil crash. Check this link I posted in another thread http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: enotake2]
    #2367824 - 02/22/04 02:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Factories rely on oil to run and so as oil becomes more expensive, unfortunately, it will not be possible to produce solar panels, electric cars, etc.

it will not only be possible, it will be profitable. as oil energy becomes more expensive, manufacturing just about anything will indeed become more expensive. it will not become impossible though, and if we are talking about manufacturing technologies for obtaining energy from alternate sources, it the increased rewards will outweigh the increased costs.

1. energy will become more expensive, at least until the technology catches up. life will be harder. it will not however, be a return to something resembling pre-industrial society, or a post-apocalyptic wasteland, or any other doomsday scenario.

2. burning oil does create pollution. increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, and increased temperatures, while they will not, in the grand scheme of life on earth, cause real damage to the ecosystem, they may very well be pretty detrimental to some humans. i believe however, that the costs of limiting greenhouse emissions outweigh the benefits.

don't forget that when we burn oil, we are burning biomass; very, very old biomass. it was once a part of the carbon cycle, and it will be again, whether we dig it up or not. all that coal and oil won't stay buried forever. earth is too dynamic for that.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: ]
    #2368075 - 02/22/04 03:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I was reading in discover magizen 2 years ago a millionair who owed a chicken processing plant had came up with a way to make synthetic oil from chicken bones and used tires through a procress of heat and pressure and recieved some federal funding to build a facilty 3 miles from his chicken processing plant. But i beleave this to just be a front put on by the man to get federal funding to dispose of his chicken waste


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