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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: timetravel]
    #2338385 - 02/15/04 07:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So when the people who are driving gasoline cars are driving electric cars this will cause the people who can't afford cars to get mugged more?


And this will be because why?


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2338413 - 02/15/04 08:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I think electric cars will be cheaper than gasoline cars when they catch on. They're actually alot less complicated than heavy expensive internal combustion engines and transmissions, something electric cars don't need.





The auto industry is going to love making a cheaper product, and enjoy not selling the parts for the combustion engines and transmissions. And all those gas and repair stations are going to love it too.
I think we can't get away from the combustion engine in time to avoid chaos.
We opted to take over oil fields way back in the 1940's. We placed evil puppets on top of every single country that has minerals so we could shoot them in the head without any complaints from the world community when the time came to harvest what we need.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: timetravel]
    #2338436 - 02/15/04 08:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The auto industry isn't going to have a choice. If they don't make them, then someone else will.

If GM won't make them, then GE will.

They won't sell any cars if there is no fuel to run them on.

Also, look into thermal depolymerization. ConAgra has a nice project going on with that.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2338451 - 02/15/04 08:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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So when the people who are driving gasoline cars are driving electric cars this will cause the people who can't afford cars to get mugged more?





Crime is going to rise.Or do you think it won't?  There is going to be a whole class of people who can't afford an electric car and who can't afford the high price of gas to get to their shitty job. What are they gonna do? I think they are going to do what they have to do to survive. Some are going to begin a life of crime. 
You will be walking. Carrying food from the grocery store out in the open could be very dangerous. :laugh:


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2338483 - 02/15/04 08:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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The auto industry isn't going to have a choice. If they don't make them, then someone else will.

If GM won't make them, then GE will.

They won't sell any cars if there is no fuel to run them on.

Also, look into thermal depolymerization. ConAgra has a nice project going on with that. 




There will be fuel, I think its going to be like in europe, it'll cost $6.00+ a gallon. Only we don't have a public transportation system to pick up the poor saps who can't afford $6+ a gallon. So I think we are going to have chaos and increased crime.

ConAgra and a whole bunch of others have great solutions. :thumbup: Holland, germany and a whole shitloasd of countries have cool cars, buses that use alt energy and they have electric trains that DO move the whole workforce to its jobs everyday.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: timetravel]
    #2338489 - 02/15/04 08:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Crime will be about the same. Poverty will be about the same. Everything will be about the same.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: timetravel]
    #2338505 - 02/15/04 08:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

People will learn how to ride motorcycles to get to work.

one $6 gallon will get them back and forth to work.

An electric motorcycle will get them back and forth to work several times for $6.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2338553 - 02/15/04 08:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Crime will be about the same. Poverty will be about the same. Everything will be about the same.




A smooth transition would be best. But not very american when you take a look at our history. My grandparents went through the great depression and I think something like that could happen if gas reaches a certain price. Where I live there are people who can't pay their oil heating bills and get by with help from the community. An old woman froze to death in her house a few towns over during the last cold spell cause she could'nt pay her oil heating bill. And the price of oil went up only a few cents.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: timetravel]
    #2338606 - 02/15/04 09:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

On topic I do believe that something will have to give. Sure we have oil here to last us for a long time, it's just that there's not enough ecomically affordable oil. Since we most likel yhave done this, the decline will be fast. why? we need oil for everything! our mass agriculture is based on machines the run on oil!

a medium sized cost increase everywhere would send this economy crashing down quickly because we realy SO MCUH on it.

the more expensive it becomes to dig, the more expensive things will get.

the change won't be gradual at all, it's comon sense here. think about it



"An old woman froze to death in her house a few towns over during the last cold spell cause she could'nt pay her oil heating bill. And the price of oil went up only a few cents."

off topic

chaos is already here. people already can't eat. people are already dying on the streets, and no one says shit!

I can go to sacramento right now and see a huge 9 foot wall filled with missing persons. and that's just one city.

the poor saps inthis country are the 5+ million children that will go hungry tonight.

shit man a meth lab just exploded last week, four houses down, it's stupid here. and if it's stupid here, then it's definately stupid in many other areas.




I live right next to Oaland, and 21 people have been murdered there this year and feb is jsut about halfway over

yesterday was valentines day, and there were weddings. one wedding in my town involved 5 people getting stabbed, 3 fatally.

crime is always on the rise. Around here most people around my age (22) carry guns on them. they have no problem shooting at the police. my town is stupid small and we had one cop already die this year.

powple don't really care much, and will be quick to run into your house.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: timetravel]
    #2338875 - 02/15/04 10:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

nd I have read that it would be economically impossible for the usa to start one. We are broke.

who is broke?

We don't even have bike paths. Every sidewalk in germany has a bike path next to it. We are screwed.

when it becomes economically sound to do so, we'll build them. right now, we've got cheap oil to burn, so we're driving cars. if that changes, so will we.

i ask again... what should actually be done about this coming oil crisis?


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2338900 - 02/15/04 10:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That sucks.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: ]
    #2338986 - 02/15/04 11:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

 
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who is broke?





My town is broke. They could'nt even afford salt for the roads this winter after the third storm. Some states are broke. CA elected Arnold to help get them out, my state is broke, maybe yours is too. The us gov is really broke.

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  i ask again... what should actually be done about this coming oil crisis?




The fat cats in charge have the responsibility to make sure something is done. First they will forclose on everyone who can't pay their house payments. Thats how they get their land back that they sold to you, just like they did during the depression. Then they will make huge profits off the last of the oil reserves. All the while they will be sending in the us army to pop off the evil puppets that they put in power on top of the oil reserves, from south america, some parts of asia, and the middle east. Meanwhile the new poor will be working on government construction projects like getting the power girds up to date, building hydro elec dams and wind farms, laying down train tracks for elec trains for public transportation. Then those electric cars will be out on the market and things will get back to normal. The new poor will be able to buy a house again etc.
How does that sound?  :grin: Its the best I can come up with based on the fat cats history of handeling things.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: timetravel]
    #2339012 - 02/15/04 11:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

My town is broke. They could'nt even afford salt for the roads this winter after the third storm. Some states are broke. CA elected Arnold to help get them out, my state is broke, maybe yours is too. The us gov is really broke.

why does that matter here?

you know... sometimes problems do get solved without the state's intervention. :smirk:

The fat cats in charge have the responsibility to make sure something is done.

what should that something be?


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: ]
    #2339072 - 02/15/04 11:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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what should that something be?




To make a profit. Thats what will be done. Its easier to let the poor stay poor and make a profit off the reserves. People will be cooking and heating their homes with fecal matter before the oil industry lets the masses use any other kind of energy.
In germany they will be driving around in hydrogen cars, not here, hydrogen is way too explosive to let the masses have. Think of the terrorism potential! At least thats probablly what the oil industry will lobby. In fact I read just that arguement somewhere, thats how I know its really explosive.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: timetravel]
    #2339097 - 02/15/04 11:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

To make a profit. Thats what will be done.

no, i'm asking you what you think should be done.

People will be cooking and heating their homes with fecal matter before the oil industry lets the masses use any other kind of energy.

lets them use any other kind of energy? when did the oil industry start keeping people from using alternate energy sources? i can tell you that my parents use wood to heat their home and haven't used a drop of heating oil all winter. so far, the oil industry hasn't done a thing to stop them.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: ]
    #2339126 - 02/15/04 11:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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let's them use any other kind of energy? when did the oil industry start keeping people from using alternate energy sources?




I mean as a mainstream form of energy. If everyone put in a wood stove and burned wood it would become illegal. My sister in CA can't use her fireplace, they have laws as to when they can use it. Anyway, do you know what I mean?


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: ]
    #2339185 - 02/16/04 12:05 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

no, i'm asking you what you think should be done.

I think its one of those things thats out of our control. BUT we can buy an electric can, insulate our homes, go solar, or wind, and try as best we can on our own to get off the grid. But that takes time, some thinking and money to accomplish so I bet most are going to be at the mercy of the oil corps and won't solve the problem.

What do you think should be done?


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: timetravel]
    #2339264 - 02/16/04 12:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Here in a few years I am planning to build my own electric car. It won't meet safty standards that would allow me to sell them (probably) but I should be able to get away with driving it.

It will probably have a zinc-air power cell that I will "recharge" by smelting the zinc oxide back into zinc plates.


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2339297 - 02/16/04 12:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.zevcat.com/  Here is a car you can tank up with a hand bike pump.

Your way ahead of me, I have no idea about smelting zinc oxide, but it sounds very self-sufficient. Are you gonna cal it the baby-hitler? jj :grin:


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Re: Collapse of Industrial Civilization [Re: timetravel]
    #2339327 - 02/16/04 12:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

No, the Baby Hitler wil use Nitrocellulose for fuel.

It will be a nitrocellulose-electric hybrid.


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