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lofty
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short stumpy shrooms, please help!! *DELETED*
#23374986 - 06/23/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: lofty]
#23375171 - 06/23/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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what the hell is going on with those pumps? Are those aquarium pumps going under the trays?
NVM I see the hygrometer. Uh. That's unnecessary. But your mushrooms look like they've been drowning a little bit.
Also get rid of the heating pad and move it away from the heater. As long as the room is above ~20º and less than ~26º you're fine.
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: dankington]
#23375183 - 06/23/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cover past the next set of holes with perlite, and most less often. I know it's fun and all, but I've gotten my best flushes yet having a busy schedule and only being able to mist 3-4 times a day MAX.
Really. Add another bag of perlite and mist less. You'll be quite surprised. Keep it stupid simple, atleast with PF tek
Also your SGFC isn't elevated. Put 4 shot glasses under each corner.
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Edited by Moabfighter (06/23/16 08:45 PM)
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lofty
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: dankington]
#23375286 - 06/23/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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dankington said:
what the hell is going on with those pumps? Are those aquarium pumps going under the trays?
Also get rid of the heating pad and move it away from the heater. As long as the room is above ~20º and less than ~26º you're fine.
that is an cable coming from the temp gauge, it can give room temps and outdoor temps, your meant put the cable out the window and it will read the outside temps, but I have stuck it in the substrate so I can see how hot/cold it is there. lol
The wall heater is not and never on, but if I take it off heat pad it gets cold in here as its winter, at night can go to 17-18ºc, might leave it on but put something between so its not sitting directly on it.
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: Moabfighter]
#23375309 - 06/23/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think it is just the genetics, on the basis, they look healthy and have made it to spore (> i.e. they just weren't meant to grow tall, genetically (everything else is seemingly fine ?))
like no point tinkering with your chamber, if it works fine with others etc ?
the pictures look a bit wet, but dunno how recently you misted etc.
also > if the bottom of the tubs have no holes, they could be sitting in a resevoir, potentially ? (dunno if you weigh them etc)
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i use a heat pad, depending on your SUBJECTIVE ambient temperature, they are fine to use (we don't all live in warm climates...)
i reccommend a IR thermometer though as can get heat reading right off the medium (which is going to be warmer then internal air) / check for hotspots etc.
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: stupididiot]
#23376002 - 06/24/16 03:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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stupididiot said: i think it is just the genetics, on the basis, they look healthy and have made it to spore (> i.e. they just weren't meant to grow tall, genetically (everything else is seemingly fine ?))
like no point tinkering with your chamber, if it works fine with others etc ?
the pictures look a bit wet, but dunno how recently you misted etc.
also > if the bottom of the tubs have no holes, they could be sitting in a resevoir, potentially ? (dunno if you weigh them etc)
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i use a heat pad, depending on your SUBJECTIVE ambient temperature, they are fine to use (we don't all live in warm climates...)
i reccommend a IR thermometer though as can get heat reading right off the medium (which is going to be warmer then internal air) / check for hotspots etc.
Those look far from healthy. That's like saying it's not a problem to be fat, just as long as you can still and make babies.
A thermometer is not really that important, I've grown cubes at 60F with nothing more needed but more time. Don't know exactly how cyans take to the cold but I do know they are able to grow at much less than optimal temp. It's ok to have, but you definitely don't have to read the temps inside your chamber, just the room to get an idea.
I am quite confused about the strain of pan you have though OP, the only "behemoth" I could find is "Panaeolus cambodginiensis : Thailand, Suphanburi Behemoth". Is that what you are growing? In any case, every single Panaeolus species I've seen will grow thin and long, those are definitely not healthy and they look waterlogged, as dankington already suggested.
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23377402 - 06/24/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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no it's not; i don't know why you say that ?; that's definately NOT what i was saying....
what i AM saying is "organisms do not always correspond to a prejudiced human ideal"
ESPECIALLY when you are only reffering to 1 singular sense "sight" [of mushroom].
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IR thermometers are especially helpful when using heatmats (as described previously) > science law; the heat source is singular and direct at the bottom, meaning there is MORE heat at the bottom, potentially too much.
theses need ironing out WHEN, AS TOLD it is neccesary to improve ambient temperature with a heat mat.
mushrooms grow slower with less then ideal temperatures, 60f is much less then ideal,
stop giving out bad advice, whilst failing to pick apart good advice (relative to the actual OP, and not ones own way of doing things).
(TL;DR > STFU)
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: lofty]
#23377439 - 06/24/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Build a proper SGFC to specifications with the proper amount of perlite on the bottom.
Also, get the chamber off the table. It should be elevated.
That should help you out.
Edited by MacMerdin (06/24/16 12:52 PM)
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: Supalemonhaze] 1
#23377509 - 06/24/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said:
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stupididiot said: i think it is just the genetics, on the basis, they look healthy and have made it to spore (> i.e. they just weren't meant to grow tall, genetically (everything else is seemingly fine ?))
That is exactly what you are saying. Those shrooms are unhealthy as fuck, definitely not a genetic mutation. The OP could very well take a clone, fix his setup and get perfect mushrooms out of them. This is not my first rodeo, I have experienced first hand the effects of bad conditions, as well as seen a shitload on the shroomery.
They are most definitely meant to grow tall, and thin too for that matter. Just google pan cyan and see for yourself. The fact that he is growing a multispore grow is proof enough that it is not a genetic mutation. The sheer amount of strains in that single grow is enough for tens, if not hundreds, of different looks and characteristics. If it was an isolate, I couldn't say one way or another with a 100% certainty(even though it would have been a very good guess if Isaid the same), but if your shrooms are all looking fucked up with a multispore inoculation, it is very much something in their environment.
You can actually see that they look shiny and slimy from all the moisture staying on them for an extended period of time, unable to evaporate. You can also see the stress it causes on the fruits, those black, semi-aborted caps. Just because a mushroom produces spores, does not mean it's healthy. As I explained above, just because someone is fat (unhealthy) doesn't mean he can't have babies. That is basically what you were/are saying.
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: stupididiot]
#23377514 - 06/24/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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. I guess your name suits you.
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23377547 - 06/24/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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...and now you start talking about mutations ?
for some reason > ????
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The sheer amount of strains in that single grow is enough for tens, if not hundreds, of different looks and characteristics
is correct ?, but you have spent the rest of the time arguing that it is not ?
bit werid to proclaim that you are psychic, know what people are thinking / saying, but then to be arguing points with yourself ?
kind of suggestive, you don't know what you are talking about / may be mixed up no ?.
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: stupididiot]
#23377562 - 06/24/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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*inocuole's ears begin ringing*
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: LocN9ne]
#23377584 - 06/24/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: *inocuole's ears begin ringing*

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lofty said: jvanhoppe1, on Flickr
I hope if I remove that 1 and google the rest of the username that I don't accidentally find out your real name...
I'm not even gonna spend time addressing the fact those mushrooms are unhealthy.
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: stupididiot]
#23377681 - 06/24/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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stupididiot said: ...and now you start talking about mutations ?
for some reason > ????
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The sheer amount of strains in that single grow is enough for tens, if not hundreds, of different looks and characteristics
is correct ?, but you have spent the rest of the time arguing that it is not ?
bit werid to proclaim that you are psychic, know what people are thinking / saying, but then to be arguing points with yourself ?
kind of suggestive, you don't know what you are talking about / may be mixed up no ?.
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a name is a name, thankyou for taking an excessive interest in it.
I know pretty well what I'm talking about. Seems to me you are the one not understanding what I'm saying and neither do you seem to know what you just said a couple of posts ago. Let me remind you, underlining the important stuff this time.
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stupididiot said: i think it is just the genetics, on the basis, they look healthy and have made it to spore (> i.e. they just weren't meant to grow tall, genetically (everything else is seemingly fine ?))
like no point tinkering with your chamber, if it works fine with others etc ?
Don't have to be psychic to read what you are saying. Not even going to try and tell you how wrong the rest of your post is. To put it simply, heating pads are shit and hotspots is just There are no words.
Seems to me that dankington is 100% right. You sir, are self titled.
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: Inocuole]
#23377689 - 06/24/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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the pictures look a bit wet, but dunno how recently you misted etc.
also > if the bottom of the tubs have no holes, they could be sitting in a resevoir, potentially ? (dunno if you weigh them etc)
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but if you reference the hydrometer > all we have to go on ?
are those OK growth peramiters ? or not ?
baring that in mind, also would you reccommend drilling holes everywhere, moving the chamber about, letting temp goto 60f for some reason ? (with an eye to the current permaters)
(baring in mind, 1) the peramiters and 2)potentially could be fine / no problems previously (we don't know).
it's about providing an environment for the mushroom ?
not being a nazi, telling people to change things (that may be running fine), ignoring what the OP was asking etc, and then talking about mutations / other random topics ?
or no ?
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: stupididiot]
#23377695 - 06/24/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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if we are going on names,
you two are highly immature, stupid people, childishly enamoured with cannabis ?
btw ?.
i am fine with that > not very clever.
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: stupididiot]
#23377699 - 06/24/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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stupididiot said: highly immature, stupid people, childishly enamoured with cannabis ?
He says on a forum for growing mushrooms that make you see colors..
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: stupididiot]
#23377703 - 06/24/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Man, dankington really was right. Hygrometers are useless. Constant 95-100% humidity is actually not what you want anyway, even if it humidity in the chamber had any bearing on the humidity at substrate level.
Have you actually ever grown shrooms? I have grown shrooms with temps ranging from 60F to 85f+, and had success with both extremes.
There is also simply no way that a shroom that is in a good environment grows tall and thin by nature could be just a few mms long without a genetic mutation.
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: stupididiot]
#23377710 - 06/24/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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stupididiot said: if we are going on names,
you two are highly immature, stupid people, childishly enamoured with cannabis ?
btw ?.
i am fine with that > not very clever.
Immature you say? I would have said something more along the lines of "accurate" or "knows exactly what he is talking about" or "probably has grown shrooms before".
Nice stereotyping btw, so all of the people who smoke cannabis are immature and childish... But of course, saying that is not immature at all.
You really are something special aren't you? not a compliment
PS. I don't smoke weed, at least not regularly, not even weekly.
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Re: short stumpy shrooms, please help!! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23377713 - 06/24/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Judging people for their medicines of choice isn't really something we do here unless they're annoying meth heads.
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