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ironlion420
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four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... 1
#23373825 - 06/23/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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so the room i keep them in got up to 77 yesterday which probably means 80 plus in the tub for about a few hours before i moved them downstairs very gently into a 73 degree area with ac. this morning it is 68 in there when i took these pics and fanned them out. do you think the slight rise in temp would have caused some of pins to abort? after pins does anybody raise the temps a little or keep them growning at lower 70s? i have been fanning twice a day up to this point despite having many people tell me to not fan at all. but i had many folks also say fan 3 + times a day. i feel that my fruits would suffer without the needed air.. maybe my holes are polied too tightly? anyway if im fanning 3 times from here on out would it be worse for the mushroom than just leaving them? will the fanning cause aborts. i always have fanned in the past and now with the opinions of other is making me question. i have never had a pin set like the one in there and i want to see them all mature into a nice canopy.. just tell me what to do!  i would probably figure it out but the advice and opinions on here is what brought me this far.. thank you everyone. first monos ive done in 4 years. hope you like the pics.
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: ironlion420]
#23373859 - 06/23/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mono are set and forget, they create they're own FAE if constructed properly, no need to fan them. Although, your holes look a little off on those tubs, they seem to be working still judging by your pinsets. Your tubs look good.
Misting them a tiny bit once a night can help with a nice pinset too, because it causes evaporation to take place. You need know when to stop though, you can get pinsets that are too heavy which can't be supported, then most will abort.
You can also waterlog your sub misting too much and cause other issues. A mono CAN easily go completely unmanned, with decent results, if constructed and prepped properly. I always recommend keeping a close eye on them and giving a helping hand if you think they could use it, your results will show the difference.
Aborts can happen for many reasons, it is hard to say exactly what, tempurature can definetly play a role though. Generally, I like to fruit at lower temps because it produces denser, nicer looking shrooms. You also run the higher risk of contams jumping in at the higher temps.
All and all I would say just ride it out, maybe keep fanning since it might be helping with your holes set up the way they are.
Edited by TheChief (06/23/16 01:50 PM)
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: TheChief]
#23373870 - 06/23/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes i drill 6 one inch holes. should i be drilling in like 2 inch holes and at 2 more up higher?
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: ironlion420]
#23373875 - 06/23/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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2 inch hole is a little much. 1 or 1.5 inch is good. good job some people put the single holes up higher (right under the handle). but as you are finding out it is pretty flexible.
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: ironlion420]
#23373904 - 06/23/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can also break down your Great Wall of Words when you post. It will help you get responses, people usually just dip without reading when they see those. 
Just bust it up into a bunch of small paragraphs. It will be much easier on the eyes.
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jcbowling1985 said: "Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: TheChief]
#23373913 - 06/23/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah. shows you how much i paid attention in english class.
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: ironlion420]
#23373956 - 06/23/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can still break it up, just hit enter a few times.
My english isn't great either, I taught myself because I was too busy in school. 
These tubs are looking real nice btw, keep us posted.
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jcbowling1985 said: "Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: TheChief]
#23374335 - 06/23/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks good dude 
You will notice in your pics that there is a ring around each of your poly-fil holes, this is a good thing. This is an indicator, from what I was told, that the tub is dialed in properly. Do not worry about fanning unless your substrate/fruits show signs of lack of FAE, if not then you are mostly just drying out the substrate.
My tubs are opened once a day (when the top of the substrate looks dry) for misting only, which is generally after the 1st flush, (even 2nd flush on my second tub) which you should mist only until you see little beads of glistening water on the surface, like all of your pictures above show, then stop. You probably already know this though.
The slight rise in temperature won't cause aborts either, my grow room gets to 84 degrees some days and of course the inside of the tub is warmer and I haven't had any contamination or abort problems - this isn't the ideal temp though I know.
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: ironlion420]
#23374361 - 06/23/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is that tin foil in there? I just noticed now.
You shouldn't use foil to line your tubs. Use thick plastic garbage bags.

Also, check out my hole locations on the short side. I believe the hole size is 1.5 inch.
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: TheChief]
#23377335 - 06/24/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: ironlion420]
#23377347 - 06/24/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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pfft, looks like shit.
...cant wait to see what this looks like in a day or two >:) good job buddy 
the tin foil IS interesting though haha. didnt notice till he pointed it out above. i mean it wont shrink with the substrate as well so its not serving as much purpose as it should.. but at least the myc wont eat it right?
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: ironlion420]
#23377352 - 06/24/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i used to use contractor bag liners. i guess i felt it was a hassle cause i always dropped substrate between the liner when making the tub. do you use some tape to hold it to the sides while mixing making it. i figured foil would hurt although i heard someone said light will travel down the sides and creat a lot of side pins.. as for the holes i used to put one up at the handle like that i just forgot this time around. next set i will have a couple holes higher up as well. thank you everyone, good day to you all.
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: ironlion420]
#23377366 - 06/24/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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horse shit that is..
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: ironlion420]
#23377605 - 06/24/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Colonizing substrates can eat through foil. Not the best thing to use for a liner. Not to mention it does not serve much of a purpose in this application.
Side pins don't really form because of light, they mostly form because substrates shrink as they colonize/fruit, this creates micro climate pockets in between the sides of the tub; mushrooms love it. If you use a garbage bag liner, the myc cling to it and pull it with them as the sub shrinks, preventing the climate pockets.
Side pins can still happen even with liners. Mushrooms grow where they want.
Yes, I tape my liners up while I spawn, afterward I trim it up.
Your tubs seem to be coming along nice, nothing to worry about. Just keep at what ever you been doing for now.
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jcbowling1985 said: "Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: TheChief]
#23377748 - 06/24/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
TheChief said: Colonizing substrates can eat through foil. Not the best thing to use for a liner. Not to mention it does not serve much of a purpose in this application.
Side pins don't really form because of light, they mostly form because substrates shrink as they colonize/fruit, this creates micro climate pockets in between the sides of the tub; mushrooms love it. If you use a garbage bag liner, the myc cling to it and pull it with them as the sub shrinks, preventing the climate pockets.
Side pins can still happen even with liners. Mushrooms grow where they want.
Yes, I tape my liners up while I spawn, afterward I trim it up.
Your tubs seem to be coming along nice, nothing to worry about. Just keep at what ever you been doing for now.


Although I micro climate pockets 
I mainly use garbage bag liners for ease of dunking, it's easy to grab onto (that's what she said).
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: Perception7]
#23384757 - 06/26/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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update . questions about soaking cakes. can i just dunk them in the totes that they are in... like add water to it and let soak..? for how long? just be very careful when draining it out? i twist and pulled the first tote while harvesting.. i know this is a no no from the majority.. i have some pasteurized casing should i add this to the craters i made? i will cut at the base if you really think i should from now on. just wanted to get some feedback.. should i make another post about this harvesting and dunking seperate?
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: ironlion420]
#23384795 - 06/26/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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. please dont be mad at me lol. just tell me i should never do it again..
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: ironlion420]
#23384805 - 06/26/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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For soaking Ill use quart jar or a pitcher and pour water over the sub & down the sides until it floats in the monotub. Then I wait an hour. Some go longer, some only mist heavily, one hour for me is good. When draining I put one hand fingers stretched wide across the substrate and tip slowly until the stream of water stops. Then I re-poly the holes.
I wouldn't put any casing after the harvest. Scissors will help not make so many craters.
Looks like some good clusters to clone
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: filthyknees]
#23385108 - 06/26/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Congrats on your harvest 
Well I use garbage bag liners however you may be able to grab your foil the same way. Some here pour glasses of water (tried it) or heavily mist (tried it too) and dunking is far superior in my personal experience.
This is what I do:
All I do to dunk my monotub is I take the substrate out by grabbing the black 5M plastic bag the substrate is sitting on and put this into a empty tub (the same size as my monotub). You pour 3 gallons of water into the tub, not directly on the substrate but on the sides of the tub so the water gently fills the tub up and causes the substrate to float. You then take a 2nd tub, the exact same size as the tub the substrate is in, and set it on top of the substrate (tub-in-tub) and then place two 20 pound weights inside of the 2nd tub to weigh the substrate down so that it is forced to be completely submerged in water. Leave the substrate submerged like this for around 4 hours.
I prefer 4 hours as I have found this to be when the substrate stops soaking up water. After the 4 hours, you take the weighs out of the 2nd tub, take the 2nd tub and set it to the side, and grab the tub with the water in it and pour 80-90% of the water out of the tub then grab your substrate (using two people here helps) by the black plastic and set it back into your fruiting chamber. Just make sure you let the substrate drain out a little when you pick it up so that you don't have any water pooling in your fruiting chamber.
You can clean the two tubs your going to use for the dunk prior to pouring the 3 gallons of water with 70% alcohol and/or soapy water. By using a second set of tubs for the dunk, this allows you to reuse your poly fil for the next flush.
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Re: four 56 qt monos with pins (pics) have a few questions... [Re: Perception7]
#23387611 - 06/27/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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tried the cutting.. i ended up twist pulling them cause i did like cutting them. stuck with my bad habit. they soaked in a gallon of water and now back in grow room. for the next flush. i wonder what itll look like with me cratering the casing layer.
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