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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23369874 - 06/22/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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When Japan was contemplating invasion during WWII, the military advisors were very wary of invading a country with such a heavily armed populace.

Relying on govt to defend you is a mistake




  Its not really possible to invade a country that Has  nukes to shoot at you .
    Japan didn't have to invade . All they had to do is disable our air force enough to allow their planes to carry out bombing runs . They didn't need a single boot on the ground to totally fuck up Pearl Harbor .  They wouldn't have needed a boot on the ground to level San Fran . We didn't need any to level Tokyo .
    At the time people were really worried they would drive a battleship and aircraft carrier right into sf bay and do the same . You can take tours of the huge cannon bunkers they built at the entrance .
    There will never be an invasion of the United States , just a nuke fight .

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut] * 1
    #23369935 - 06/22/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

lulz @ anyone arming themselves for fear of a foreign invading army. not gonna happen. ever. EVER. the power of our navy alone is unprecedented. and if an army even made it on land, they would be annihilated at the border.

an unrestrained, unconstrained united states military is not to be fucked with by anyone. not the russians. not the chinese. no one. we have the first army in human history that truly poses an existential threat to our species. this is why the "i need a gun so i can overthrow my government if i don't like it" line of justification for legal gun ownership is utterly laughable. the government is much, much more worried about a well educated, well informed populace than dale and his assault rifle. and you can see that by juxtaposing our state of education standards and costs with the fact that almost anyone can easily acquire weapons.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: millzy]
    #23370023 - 06/22/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

So... The same people calling to dramatically reduce the size of our military are also calling for the banning of guns, interesting...

If our military is embroiled in an overseas war, who's the defending the homeland?

I'm sure the jews never EVER EVER thought they would be rounded up and exterminated either...:shrug:

The world is so much more civilized now, right?

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Its not really possible to invade a country that Has  nukes to shoot at you




What? Cause they'll shoot you with nukes? :lmafo:


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23370057 - 06/22/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

nobody's calling for a blanket ban on guns. that's your precious little strawman that i'm sure you dress up and put to bed every night.

and you're deluded if you think our military would be unable to defend us in the (unlikely) event of anyone trying to invade us.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: millzy] * 1
    #23370062 - 06/22/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I can't wait for 3d printing to just plain ruin gun monitoring.

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: millzy]
    #23370100 - 06/22/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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millzy said:
nobody's calling for a blanket ban on guns. that's your precious little strawman that i'm sure you dress up and put to bed every night.

and you're deluded if you think our military would be unable to defend us in the (unlikely) event of anyone trying to invade us.




You're sure no ones calling for a ban on ALL guns?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23370132 - 06/22/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

you seem to be asking if everyone has reached a consensus on the issue and shares exactly the same viewpoint. the answer to that question is obviously not. while some may want to ban all guns, a blanket ban is not what's on the table. as i've said, a vast majority wish for some minor tweaks and a couple of reasonable policies that might help reduce harms with respect to mass shootings.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: millzy]
    #23370223 - 06/22/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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you seem to be asking if everyone has reached a consensus on the issue and shares exactly the same viewpoint. the answer to that question is obviously not. while some may want to ban all guns, a blanket ban is not what's on the table. as i've said, a vast majority wish for some minor tweaks and a couple of reasonable policies that might help reduce harms with respect to mass shootings.




What do you mean by "reduce harm"?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23370356 - 06/22/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

what do you think i mean? it might be better to go with your answer because you probably won't pay any attention to mine.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: millzy]
    #23370464 - 06/22/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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what do you think i mean? it might be better to go with your answer because you probably won't pay any attention to mine.






Just asking for clarification, is your position so weak you are unable to elaborate?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23370585 - 06/22/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

this shit is fucking trash and you dolts are fucking up any real resemblance of freedom we do still have.

while at the same time the gop is grandstanding and not allowing any changes at all to be made over idealism not based in reality; we've got the FBI talking about expanding it's civilian spying programs.

sure you can feel free to buy guns over the counter w/ minimal checks but you're handing over far more pressing "freedoms" to the hands of the state by doing so.

let me know when how big your arsenal is matters if you can't organize and represent yourself outside of state control...


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23370611 - 06/22/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Just asking for clarification, is your position so weak you are unable to elaborate?




is yours so weak that you must ask pointless rhetorical questions?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: millzy]
    #23371582 - 06/22/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Again all of you are ignoring this one simple fact;

All prohibition increases unregulated markets. This will increase unregulated gun sales and associated crimes. Is this what we think solves the issues at hand?


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon] * 1
    #23372269 - 06/23/16 02:33 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Maroon said:
Again all of you are ignoring this one simple fact;

All prohibition increases unregulated markets. This will increase unregulated gun sales and associated crimes. Is this what we think solves the issues at hand?




Yeah..it prevents crazy people easily buying a gun on the same day they to shootup a school.

And guns aren't that easy to access on the black market in other countries.
Australia seemed to manage, Europe too..why can't the states?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Glameow] * 1
    #23372284 - 06/23/16 02:40 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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guns aren't that easy to access on the black market in other countries.



Exactly.  And rocket launchers aren't that easy to access in the US black market.  Now why would that be?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay] * 1
    #23372556 - 06/23/16 06:13 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Maroon said:
Drunk driving is a huge problem in America, Europe and Australia.


Why aren't you guys banning red wine and liquor?  I'll be waiting as the same logic Alcohol is not prohibited Validates why guns should not be....





your logic is elementary at best, simple analogies that aren't really that applicable. and your absolution doesn't help you either.

Here's something to ponder tho, I would bet a very high percentage of public shooters legally access their tools. Being that this is the issue we're trying to put a stop to, your increased criminal marketplace argument has no weight here. I'd be willing to bet more that these dorks couldn't find an illegal semi-automatic rifle if they wanted either. So starting with the point of access for tools to commit mass murder seems like a good place.

Should we start selling over the counter grenade or shoulder fire missiles?

Are you of the type that thinks we should live at gunpoint by everyone else in public?





I def hit on that point pages ago. It's an argument that's lacking in any real world examples when looking at other weapons that aren't available to the public and instances of criminals using them against the public outside of armed insurrection.

just because it seems logical in your head doesn't make it so


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
    #23372563 - 06/23/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

to take it another step,

the first to tread into this "criminal marketplace" would be posters like Maroon after they feel their gun rights have been stepped on

it's a real classic self fulfilling destiny


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
    #23372626 - 06/23/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Can you guys provide proof for your claims that's it's harder to get rocket launchers in certain markets. Thanks


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23372682 - 06/23/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Where can I get a rocket launcher?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23372949 - 06/23/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm asking for proof. Are you not familiar with burden of proof. You made some claims, you must prove them .


My claim is any prohibition of any item has proven time and time again to increase unregulated trade is said item, making it harder to manage and control. It also increases surrounding crimes.

So is this what we really think solves the issue?


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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