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Does not the shame begin and end with the person unable to control their appetites or should out-of-control behaviors and addictions be applauded and celebrated?
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I certainly dont believe un-healthy behaviors - at least those that cannot be controlled - ought to be celebrated. I'm not of the mind to directly call someone out for being fat or otherwise unhealthy. But neither am I of the mind that the truth be held back for the sake of someones feelings being hurt.
There's a quote I really love - one of my all time favorites - from Stephen Fry: "So you're offended...so fucking what?"
Freedom of expression is far more valuable than a persons sensitivity.
As an aside, for pure arguments sake, I like to turn an offended persons argument around and use it against them, which creates the following retort to things such as fat shaming (which is simply "you cant say that because I'm offended by it"): Well, I'm offended that you're offended so you cant be offended any more.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Does not the shame begin and end with the person unable to control their appetites or should out-of-control behaviors and addictions be applauded and celebrated?
I think kicking somebody while they're down is lame as fuck. It's shameful, pathetic.
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legislate the morality of fat of course
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Where did I encourage that?
Recent advertisements in the UK for bathing suits pictured young, slender, fit women in bikinis and were forced to be removed because they made fat people uncomfortable.
Where does this nonsense end?
Should we tiptoe quietly around alcohol or drug addictions or just food addictions?
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redgreenvines said: legislate the morality of fat of course 
You jest, but that actually is what caused much of recent obesity - when so many foods went low-fat and then piled on the sugar to compensate for lost taste.

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The sensitive have the right to move about the world as they see fit, just the same as anyone. If enough sensitive people get together and make enough noise to put up or take down billboards, then so be it. Influence can come from any source.
Where does it end? It doesnt. Its an infinite game, but everyone can play. Feel free to put up a billboard that says anything you like and leave it up in the face of all protest. If someone is offended, so what? Continue on.
Another quote I love comes from New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick: "Ignore the noise".
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OrgoneConclusion said: Where did I encourage that?
Recent advertisements in the UK for bathing suits pictured young, slender, fit women in bikinis and were forced to be removed because they made fat people uncomfortable.
Where does this nonsense end?
Should we tiptoe quietly around alcohol or drug addictions or just food addictions?
If somebody is morbidly obese, they need help, not to feel ashamed about themselves. I don't think anorexic models should be shamed either. They need help too.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Where did I encourage that?
Recent advertisements in the UK for bathing suits pictured young, slender, fit women in bikinis and were forced to be removed because they made fat people uncomfortable.
Where does this nonsense end?
Should we tiptoe quietly around alcohol or drug addictions or just food addictions?
If somebody is morbidly obese, they need help, not to feel ashamed about themselves. I don't think anorexic models should be shamed either. They need help too.
If a student is struggling with, say, algebra, ought other students not openly work on their more advanced calculus?
The two can co-exist. Though the struggling student may feel a little bad about himself, it wont be the end of the world. In fact, it may be just the kick in the behind he needed. Or if not, thats ok too. Maybe a softer form of motivation would be better. But those kids working on their calculus are not to blame or to be held back for something that is not only not their fault, but may not even be related to their goals in life. Working on more advanced maths is not shaming those who are not at the same level.
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I thought we were talking about shaming and condescending others, not holding back others. I don't know if OC's example is even relevant. The ads were literally forced to be removed, or the corporation felt it was in their best interest in making money to remove them?
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What if I shamed unemployed grown men who lived with their mother, in the most superficial, artificial place on earth, who couldn't even afford health insurance, and stalked innocent women who he fell madly in love with upon first sight? Doesn't sound like a very shroomy thing to do (not speaking of anyone in particular).
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CosmicJoke said: I thought we were talking about shaming and condescending others, not holding back others.
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CosmicJoke said: I thought we were talking about shaming and condescending others, not holding back others. I don't know if OC's example is even relevant. The ads were literally forced to be removed, or the corporation felt it was in their best interest in making money to remove them?
Not sure if thats directed at my post, but I'm saying that the anti shaming movement is holding others back. By the same token, excelling in a given area, including physical fitness, is not shaming others. As an example, if you feel you can refute a given argument by displaying a higher level of skill in reasoning, are you mentally shaming the person with whom you are debating/arguing?
I think not, even if the losing side has their feelings hurt for losing a debate publicly.
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The second quote was not directed at you at all, I don't really think shaming anyone is holding anyone back. Try valuing diversity and all body types, be they viscerotonic, musculotonic, or cerebrotonic. I mean honestly, this is just judgmental bullshit.
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There's a difference between not actively shaming people and this PC nonsense where we pretend everything is equal.
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I think people take on different sexual imprints and have wildly different sexual attractions, but somehow we've been conned into believing there some people are really more sexually attractive than others. Act like others, otherwise they might think you're weird .
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If you want to bang fat people go ahead, but let's not pretend that obesity doesn't have negative health consequences which in turn negatively affects the health care system.
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I didn't say I wanted to bang obese people, but there is some wiggle room on the BMI and I find some people who are considered overweight quite attractive, some people wear their weight well. Incidentally, what does your point have anything to do with shaming them? Why wouldn't you want to help them?
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I used 'you' in the general sense. In my first post, I distinguished between not actively shaming people and PC everything is equal nonsense. People who talk about being against fat shaming aren't really talking about the former. If we pretend that being fat is no problem whatsoever, then we can't address the problem. To these people, my post about obesity being unhealthy would be fat shaming.
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I think most obese people who know what type II diabetes is knows that they are at risk and eventually it will catch up with them. Why shame them? Why not encourage them to live a lifestyle addiction free?
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Dude. Did you read my other posts? This PC anti fat shaming movement doesn't even allow us to address the problem in the first place. How can we encourage people to live healthy lifestyles when the simple acknowledgement of the unhealthiness of their current lifestyle will lead to the PC police labeling you as a fat shamer?
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I don't think there's a PC agenda that prohibits people expressing genuine concern over other people's obesity so that they get help to live a healthier lifestyle. I think there are vindictive, mean spirited people who are out to kick people while they're down. That's what I'd consider fat shaming.
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I don't think there's a PC agenda that prohibits people expressing genuine concern over other people's obesity so that they get help to live a healthier lifestyle.
You're wrong.
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Oh, that's a valid argument. Go away if you have nothing to contribute.
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I've contributed plenty. All you are doing is saying you "don't think" that what I am talking about exists. It does. It's not my fault you aren't aware.
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kick people while they're down
Also, you've said this twice now. You apparently view obesity as someone "being down". You would be labeled a fat shamer by the PC police for that statement.
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I don't think fat shaming is really worth it. It doesn't actually help people become more healthy. And there's already a huge irrational unconscious bias against fat people because of our ideals of beauty. There is no good to be expected from shaming someone for being fat. idk where the solution to the obesity epidemic lies, but it's probably not in actively shaming overweight people.
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"Do good sir, consider, I have a porposition for thee..."
If the OP wasn't worded like a Shakespearean drama, OC, it would seem like there is an excluded middle. Arguments and philosophical questions need to be worded more clearly around here. Let's raise the philosophical standards.
Obviously, people can fuck off with the derivative politicization of beauty standards one way or another. The anti-pc movements, men afraid of people taking away their white bread existence, are pretty ironic lot, whining on about how people should or shouldn't talk, for the most part, themselves.
Instead of appealing to "common sense", or the right to be a douchebag, or chauvinist, why not just be natural? Clearly you don't have to like anyone, or say they have sex appeal, and you don't have to wear how you feel about someone one way or another on your face. Where does that idea come from? It never was that way.
If you think a woman is attractive, you can go up to her. That's nature and there's a way it happens. What's the fuckin issue?
It is pretty much one thing to critique the ridiculous subconsciously impressed standards on women's and 16 year old girls' magazine covers, and another to have your own standards. The social critique is completely appropriate, and has nothing to do with you, except maybe limiting what material you can jack off to, in your apparently sad existence where that is of primary importance. It is pretty easy to see where things ground out.
We all know what the beauty standards are, and beauty, which is part of nature, isn't something that needs to be justified. If you want to live up to a model, or body builder work out and be fit. It is its own reward to look and feel good, and people will respect you. Shame and pity do not have any necessary place in self affirming existence.
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Re: Fat shaming? [Re: Kurt]
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Kurt said: "Do good sir, consider, I have a porposition for thee..."
If the OP wasn't worded like a Shakespearean drama, OC, it would seem like there is an excluded middle. Arguments and philosophical questions need to be worded more clearly around here. Let's raise the philosophical standards.
Obviously, people can fuck off with the derivative politicization of beauty standards one way or another. The anti-pc movements, men afraid of people taking away their white bread existence, are pretty ironic lot, whining on about how people should or shouldn't talk, for the most part, themselves.
Instead of appealing to "common sense", or the right to be a douchebag, or chauvinist, why not just be natural? Clearly you don't have to like anyone, or say they have sex appeal, and you don't have to wear how you feel about someone one way or another on your face. Where does that idea come from? It never was that way.
If you think a woman is attractive, you can go up to her. That's nature and there's a way it happens. What's the fuckin issue?
It is pretty much one thing to critique the ridiculous subconsciously impressed standards on women's and 16 year old girls' magazine covers, and another to have your own standards. The social critique is completely appropriate, and has nothing to do with you, except maybe limiting what material you can jack off to, in your apparently sad existence where that is of primary importance. It is pretty easy to see where things ground out.
We all know what the beauty standards are, and beauty, which is part of nature, isn't something that needs to be justified. If you want to live up to a model, or body builder work out and be fit. It is its own reward to look and feel good, and people will respect you. Shame and pity do not have any necessary place in self affirming existence.
I didn't think I'd have to step in to defend OC on this one but I think you've crossed the line a bit here Kurt. Let's try to be civil and not accuse OC of being anything or not anything personally. I mean it's tempting but I think it's important to be consistent with the forum and keep the personalisms out of it.
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Re: Fat shaming? [Re: Kurt]
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Kurt said: Instead of appealing to "common sense", or the right to be a douchebag, or chauvinist, why not just be natural? Clearly you don't have to like anyone, or say they have sex appeal, and you don't have to wear how you feel about someone one way or another on your face. Where does that idea come from? It never was that way.
"Be yourself" so meta
How can one be authentic if they are hiding their thoughts and feelings from naturally, organically manifesting on their facial expressions?
Is it wrong to be yourself if you're naturally a fat hater?
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Kurt said: Instead of appealing to "common sense", or the right to be a douchebag, or chauvinist, why not just be natural? Clearly you don't have to like anyone, or say they have sex appeal, and you don't have to wear how you feel about someone one way or another on your face. Where does that idea come from? It never was that way.
"Be yourself" so meta
How can one be authentic if they are hiding their thoughts and feelings from naturally, organically manifesting on their facial expressions?
Is it wrong to be yourself if you're naturally a fat hater?
Yes. You can't make fun of fatties. What the fuck.
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You guys might find it interesting that one of my racquetball students went from 365 pounds to 205 pounds in a year and a half. That is quite an amazing transformation! Yes, it was his decision life choices and work ethic, but I did play a small part in that. Also brought his game up several levels. And he probably added 8+ years to his life.
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OrgoneConclusion said: You guys might find it interesting that one of my racquetball students went from 365 pounds to 205 pounds in a year and a half. That is quite an amazing transformation! Yes, it was his decision life choices and work ethic, but I did play a small part in that. Also brought his game up several levels. And he probably added 8+ years to his life.
I am such an insensitive bastard! 
Did you shame him first and then become more sensitive, or just keep calling him a fat fuck throughout?
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I am not a Marine drill sergeant.
I never shamed him nor did I encourage him to stay as he was; I merely pointed out the limitations and handicaps that his starting weight put on him in terms of mobility, speed, stamina and correct form.
He wanted to be able to compete with the stronger players in the club and now he can!
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Imagine a PC version of the first half of Full Metal Jacket.
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clock_of_omens said: I've contributed plenty. All you are doing is saying you "don't think" that what I am talking about exists. It does. It's not my fault you aren't aware.
And I think it's ridiculousness, I think most morbidly obese people can admit that they are struggling with basic issues like mobility, you can see it when you climb a set of stairs and are other people are fine and they look like they're ready to keel over. Shaming somebody is criticizing their appearance, when the reality is they aren't able to make good judgments and impulse control, they lack the ability to think about it and just find themselves "eating". It's the same shit with smokers. It's a negative oral imprint. It's a mental health issue. Precisely how does shaming them help?
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OrgoneConclusion said: I am not a Marine drill sergeant.
I never shamed him nor did I encourage him to stay as he was; I merely pointed out the limitations and handicaps that his starting weight put on him in terms of mobility, speed, stamina and correct form.
He wanted to be able to compete with the stronger players in the club and now he can! 
365 and playing racquetball? It's a good story, sorry if I doubt that your student was running around on the court at that weight. Maybe he was playing wheelchair racquetball? Well now he can run like a gazelle. Hmmm....
The other part of the story is that to lose that much weight that fast seems unhealthy, especially if pushing things. You're lucky this dude didn't drop dead under your tutelage. Did you clear him medically first?
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Please point me to where I said shaming them will help. Also your definition of shaming and the PC definition are not the same.
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The current USA attorney general, Loretta Lynch (she had some good country western hits back in the day), recommends love as the antidote to terrorists with assault rifles as if it was some miracle shield able to deflect bullets.
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OrgoneConclusion said: I am not a Marine drill sergeant.
I never shamed him nor did I encourage him to stay as he was; I merely pointed out the limitations and handicaps that his starting weight put on him in terms of mobility, speed, stamina and correct form.
He wanted to be able to compete with the stronger players in the club and now he can! 
365 and playing racquetball? It's a good story, sorry if I doubt that your student was running around on the court at that weight. Maybe he was playing wheelchair racquetball? Well now he can run like a gazelle. Hmmm....
The other part of the story is that to lose that much weight that fast seems unhealthy, especially if pushing things. You're lucky this dude didn't drop dead under your tutelage. Did you clear him medically first?
He cheated and had lap band surgery wherein his stomach size was reduced by 70%. I was personally responsible for about 8 pounds lost...
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Damn, where was she 9/10/2001? We could have erected a love shield.
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What if it was a man? Remember that Pulse was a gay night club...
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clock_of_omens said: Damn, where was she 9/10/2001? We could have erected a love shield.
According to U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, our nation’s chief law enforcement officer and lawyer, the “most effective response” to terrorism is compassion, unity and love.
The remarks came during a speech delivered in Orlando Tuesday, where Lynch addressed the LGBT community and expressed the administration’s solidarity with those struggling.
“We stand with you to say that the good in this world far outweighs the evil, that our common humanity transcends our differences, and that our most effective response to terror and to hatred is compassion, it’s unity, and it’s love,” Lynch said.
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clock_of_omens said: Please point me to where I said shaming them will help. Also your definition of shaming and the PC definition are not the same.
I'd love to see a poll where the question "Is obesity a problem in the USA?" has been asked. You don't think the overwhelming majority of people would say yes? Or do you think they'd be too PC to?
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Most likely, but that doesn't stop the PC police from berating people and encroaching on common sense with their asininity.
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Let's just relocate half the fat people to the Indian Ocean. That should rebalance things, right?
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The European migration crisis is not about politics, but a quick fix similar to your recommendation.
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Hippocampus, I only meant that the way nature works is not by the way we talk about and impress its standards. It works fine by itself, and what is on girls magazine covers, one way or another doesn't impede it. That's not meta. I was mostly just saying look to nature, not be natural in a metaphysical proposition.
Kind of interesting take though. If you really hate fat people, for some reason, and you mean that to "be yourself" means go up to a person and confront them, I'd assume this is something that would have more to do with you. I mean you have it pretty much loaded in your logic. That would be natural to you. Who am I to question that?
Ambivilance seems to me to be more the natural response to things I don't like, though. We are all human and social animals, and I understand that we sometimes wear our feelings on our face. We like to show the implicit pecking order, and that is fine by me. We do that at people all the time, and it is pretty natural, but it is what shows itself imo.
This anti-pc parade, men's help group stuff; that comes to such an explicit dialogue, that is something else. It is just another meta level of people whining. Sneering at life like Clint Eastwood is one of those things we all love to do, but it is more animalistic, and less bullshit. You ever watch a D. Trump speech? He carries it all on his face, and people seem to get behind that, or not. He's not tough, just the biggest baby of all, now running for president.
OC is alright, I guess, but the logic stands. He posed an excluded middle. You don't have to react, one way or another. Nature will take care of itself just fine. Cutting back, shedding on some artificial bullshit in women's and young girls magazines, and media isn't hurting anything. We'll still love what we do all the while.
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Re: Fat shaming? [Re: Kurt]
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OrgoneConclusion said: I am not a Marine drill sergeant.
I never shamed him nor did I encourage him to stay as he was; I merely pointed out the limitations and handicaps that his starting weight put on him in terms of mobility, speed, stamina and correct form.
He wanted to be able to compete with the stronger players in the club and now he can! 
365 and playing racquetball? It's a good story, sorry if I doubt that your student was running around on the court at that weight. Maybe he was playing wheelchair racquetball? Well now he can run like a gazelle. Hmmm....
The other part of the story is that to lose that much weight that fast seems unhealthy, especially if pushing things. You're lucky this dude didn't drop dead under your tutelage. Did you clear him medically first?
He cheated and had lap band surgery wherein his stomach size was reduced by 70%. I was personally responsible for about 8 pounds lost...
"He cheated". Probably tired of being called fatty and being shamed by everybody. But it's likely his fault, that fatty fucking cheater.
WTF. You weren't responsible for shit, personally or otherwise. 8 pounds? Like I say, be glad he didn't have a heart attack. Good thing it's one less fatty cheater now we can let him play with the regular racquetball people, thank god fatty cheated and joined us.
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To just add another point unrelated to anything else I've said
That whole ideal of beauty thing is not perfectly aligned with true health. Someone else already made that point itt, I think. But to add to that idea, according to science the healthiest people tend to be slightly overweight. http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2520627
I wonder if that true healthy weight IS actually biologically programmed. There seem to be a lot of men who eschew the skinny super model ideal and really get off to women who are slightly overweight. It's like the cultural ideals can't completely undermine our biological sense to pick the healthiest mates.
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Who do you think these people are, shills for McDonalds and Dairy Queen?
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I have noticed that some of the most angry and meanest people around are fat. But also the jollyest and funnest to be around too. If you draw a correlation, which way?
I think there are complexities like this that people overlook. There is something to what you see, but it is not exactly a general truth.
How people feel about themselves, and their lifestyle, seems like mostly their own business. Excellent health is a merit, but it is definitely its own reward.
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Couldn't say, Oregonians are of the most health conscious people that I've met in America. I don't know many Portlanders who support fast food garbage.
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Where do I go to relive the '70s?
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That wasn't a factual representation other than the platform shoes, the discos, the flared bell bottoms, the gold chains, the polyester shirts and the self-loathing. They left out the cocaine! 
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I don't remember any fat shaming, but Travolta got shamed by his parents for not being like his brother the priest and by that chick for being low-class.
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Parents back then wanted their sons to grow up to be pedophiles.
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Speaking of stiff, you can afford Viagra?
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Shat faming, blaming the hat, Dear, your butt makes those pants look fat. Is this thread thin, or is it fat, It lived and it breathed and it died.
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There's a difference between that, and being obese. Amy schumer is a healthy woman I think... The girl is not a healthy person at all.
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Now I am going to have nightmares. Thanks!
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He gets it for feeling like he's having to pee all the time.
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Guessing rape won't be so funny for him for the next few years.
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Wow when you can't call a ho a ho nothing is ho ho ho anymore I guess. That's pretty amazing. Well they certainly let him stew for the next 365x3 years eating bad food. I bet he won't make that mistake again.
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does belittling fat people make you feel better about your own self-destructive addictive behaviors?
People are people, they find pleasure in different things. some like drugs, some eat, some gamble, some shop, some become addicted to people, and some like having sex with many random people. Im sure there's more. My point is you shouldnt judge others, unless of course you are perfect which you are not. I know this for a fact because you are a member on this website
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I have empathy for fat people Is that allowed?
I am 8-10 lbs overweight.
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I am 8-10 lbs overweight.
That's not exactly fat. What do you mean allowed? Sure have a pity party eat some ice cream sing a little have a marshmallow beside a camp fire when's the last time you did that let me guess probably never. I'm kidding you are a koombaya smores guy. Hence the fattiness. I'd suggest you learn racquetball.
True story.
OC and I are long time friends/associates.
Anyway, as he proclaims, he is in fact a racketball dude.
I could beat him in tennis, where my height serve and overall athleticism made his short arms and legs wimper. He could never handle the lefty serve, few can. You can not be serious! Anyway, he's got all this angle shit and weird shots, I gave up in racketball it wasn't worth it.
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omfg.
lip synching at age 60? now that's just shamefucking full.
OC shame on you!
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As long as you tell them why you are empathizing.
"Hey, I am just a pufferfish compared to your whalishness; not that there is anything wrong with that. Please pass the gravy."
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As long as you tell them why you are empathizing.
"Hey, I am just a pufferfish compared to your whalishness; not that there is anything wrong with that. Please pass the gravy."
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I could beat him in tennis, where my height serve and overall athleticism made his short arms and legs wimper. He could never handle the lefty serve, few can. You can not be serious!

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I could beat him in tennis, where my height serve and overall athleticism made his short arms and legs wimper. He could never handle the lefty serve, few can. You can not be serious!

At least I got a few points off of you.
You might have won a set.
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Yes, quite a fake set. It's amazing, I have zero taste for fakey tits, yet you have repeatedly over the years showed mostly fake tit shots. What's with? Phony as shit, fakey tits. I hate them! Please stop I'm begging you. That shit does nothing for me.
Shame on You.
of course i'm kidding everybody loves some fakey chick that doesn't even play tennis with fakey tits why the fuck not?
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That's exactly what a shill for McDonald's would disguise him/herself as.
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If you have accepted yourself as you are then no shaming is possible. If you choose to carry weight or have no choice so be it. I am heavy...I can also run a half marathon and lift 100lbs over head with one hand...being fat...is apparently not much of a problem.
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OK then - pizza and beer for supper! 
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Things have been great. Ice quit communicating with me quite a while back...I guess he moved on...
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