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clock_of_omens
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I used 'you' in the general sense. In my first post, I distinguished between not actively shaming people and PC everything is equal nonsense. People who talk about being against fat shaming aren't really talking about the former. If we pretend that being fat is no problem whatsoever, then we can't address the problem. To these people, my post about obesity being unhealthy would be fat shaming.
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CosmicJoke
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I think most obese people who know what type II diabetes is knows that they are at risk and eventually it will catch up with them. Why shame them? Why not encourage them to live a lifestyle addiction free?
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clock_of_omens
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Dude. Did you read my other posts? This PC anti fat shaming movement doesn't even allow us to address the problem in the first place. How can we encourage people to live healthy lifestyles when the simple acknowledgement of the unhealthiness of their current lifestyle will lead to the PC police labeling you as a fat shamer?
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CosmicJoke
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I don't think there's a PC agenda that prohibits people expressing genuine concern over other people's obesity so that they get help to live a healthier lifestyle. I think there are vindictive, mean spirited people who are out to kick people while they're down. That's what I'd consider fat shaming.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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clock_of_omens
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I don't think there's a PC agenda that prohibits people expressing genuine concern over other people's obesity so that they get help to live a healthier lifestyle.
You're wrong.
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CosmicJoke
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Oh, that's a valid argument. Go away if you have nothing to contribute.
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clock_of_omens
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I've contributed plenty. All you are doing is saying you "don't think" that what I am talking about exists. It does. It's not my fault you aren't aware.
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azur
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He's from Oregon. You'll have to forgive him.
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clock_of_omens
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kick people while they're down
Also, you've said this twice now. You apparently view obesity as someone "being down". You would be labeled a fat shamer by the PC police for that statement.
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I don't think fat shaming is really worth it. It doesn't actually help people become more healthy. And there's already a huge irrational unconscious bias against fat people because of our ideals of beauty. There is no good to be expected from shaming someone for being fat. idk where the solution to the obesity epidemic lies, but it's probably not in actively shaming overweight people.
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Kurt
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"Do good sir, consider, I have a porposition for thee..."
If the OP wasn't worded like a Shakespearean drama, OC, it would seem like there is an excluded middle. Arguments and philosophical questions need to be worded more clearly around here. Let's raise the philosophical standards.
Obviously, people can fuck off with the derivative politicization of beauty standards one way or another. The anti-pc movements, men afraid of people taking away their white bread existence, are pretty ironic lot, whining on about how people should or shouldn't talk, for the most part, themselves.
Instead of appealing to "common sense", or the right to be a douchebag, or chauvinist, why not just be natural? Clearly you don't have to like anyone, or say they have sex appeal, and you don't have to wear how you feel about someone one way or another on your face. Where does that idea come from? It never was that way.
If you think a woman is attractive, you can go up to her. That's nature and there's a way it happens. What's the fuckin issue?
It is pretty much one thing to critique the ridiculous subconsciously impressed standards on women's and 16 year old girls' magazine covers, and another to have your own standards. The social critique is completely appropriate, and has nothing to do with you, except maybe limiting what material you can jack off to, in your apparently sad existence where that is of primary importance. It is pretty easy to see where things ground out.
We all know what the beauty standards are, and beauty, which is part of nature, isn't something that needs to be justified. If you want to live up to a model, or body builder work out and be fit. It is its own reward to look and feel good, and people will respect you. Shame and pity do not have any necessary place in self affirming existence.
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LunarEclipse
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Re: Fat shaming? [Re: Kurt]
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Kurt said: "Do good sir, consider, I have a porposition for thee..."
If the OP wasn't worded like a Shakespearean drama, OC, it would seem like there is an excluded middle. Arguments and philosophical questions need to be worded more clearly around here. Let's raise the philosophical standards.
Obviously, people can fuck off with the derivative politicization of beauty standards one way or another. The anti-pc movements, men afraid of people taking away their white bread existence, are pretty ironic lot, whining on about how people should or shouldn't talk, for the most part, themselves.
Instead of appealing to "common sense", or the right to be a douchebag, or chauvinist, why not just be natural? Clearly you don't have to like anyone, or say they have sex appeal, and you don't have to wear how you feel about someone one way or another on your face. Where does that idea come from? It never was that way.
If you think a woman is attractive, you can go up to her. That's nature and there's a way it happens. What's the fuckin issue?
It is pretty much one thing to critique the ridiculous subconsciously impressed standards on women's and 16 year old girls' magazine covers, and another to have your own standards. The social critique is completely appropriate, and has nothing to do with you, except maybe limiting what material you can jack off to, in your apparently sad existence where that is of primary importance. It is pretty easy to see where things ground out.
We all know what the beauty standards are, and beauty, which is part of nature, isn't something that needs to be justified. If you want to live up to a model, or body builder work out and be fit. It is its own reward to look and feel good, and people will respect you. Shame and pity do not have any necessary place in self affirming existence.
I didn't think I'd have to step in to defend OC on this one but I think you've crossed the line a bit here Kurt. Let's try to be civil and not accuse OC of being anything or not anything personally. I mean it's tempting but I think it's important to be consistent with the forum and keep the personalisms out of it.
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Hippocampus



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Re: Fat shaming? [Re: Kurt]
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Kurt said: Instead of appealing to "common sense", or the right to be a douchebag, or chauvinist, why not just be natural? Clearly you don't have to like anyone, or say they have sex appeal, and you don't have to wear how you feel about someone one way or another on your face. Where does that idea come from? It never was that way.
"Be yourself" so meta
How can one be authentic if they are hiding their thoughts and feelings from naturally, organically manifesting on their facial expressions?
Is it wrong to be yourself if you're naturally a fat hater?
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LunarEclipse
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Hippocampus said:
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Kurt said: Instead of appealing to "common sense", or the right to be a douchebag, or chauvinist, why not just be natural? Clearly you don't have to like anyone, or say they have sex appeal, and you don't have to wear how you feel about someone one way or another on your face. Where does that idea come from? It never was that way.
"Be yourself" so meta
How can one be authentic if they are hiding their thoughts and feelings from naturally, organically manifesting on their facial expressions?
Is it wrong to be yourself if you're naturally a fat hater?
Yes. You can't make fun of fatties. What the fuck.
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OrgoneConclusion
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You guys might find it interesting that one of my racquetball students went from 365 pounds to 205 pounds in a year and a half. That is quite an amazing transformation! Yes, it was his decision life choices and work ethic, but I did play a small part in that. Also brought his game up several levels. And he probably added 8+ years to his life.
I am such an insensitive bastard!
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OrgoneConclusion said: You guys might find it interesting that one of my racquetball students went from 365 pounds to 205 pounds in a year and a half. That is quite an amazing transformation! Yes, it was his decision life choices and work ethic, but I did play a small part in that. Also brought his game up several levels. And he probably added 8+ years to his life.
I am such an insensitive bastard! 
Did you shame him first and then become more sensitive, or just keep calling him a fat fuck throughout?
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OrgoneConclusion
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I am not a Marine drill sergeant.
I never shamed him nor did I encourage him to stay as he was; I merely pointed out the limitations and handicaps that his starting weight put on him in terms of mobility, speed, stamina and correct form.
He wanted to be able to compete with the stronger players in the club and now he can!
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clock_of_omens
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Imagine a PC version of the first half of Full Metal Jacket.
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CosmicJoke
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clock_of_omens said: I've contributed plenty. All you are doing is saying you "don't think" that what I am talking about exists. It does. It's not my fault you aren't aware.
And I think it's ridiculousness, I think most morbidly obese people can admit that they are struggling with basic issues like mobility, you can see it when you climb a set of stairs and are other people are fine and they look like they're ready to keel over. Shaming somebody is criticizing their appearance, when the reality is they aren't able to make good judgments and impulse control, they lack the ability to think about it and just find themselves "eating". It's the same shit with smokers. It's a negative oral imprint. It's a mental health issue. Precisely how does shaming them help?
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LunarEclipse
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OrgoneConclusion said: I am not a Marine drill sergeant.
I never shamed him nor did I encourage him to stay as he was; I merely pointed out the limitations and handicaps that his starting weight put on him in terms of mobility, speed, stamina and correct form.
He wanted to be able to compete with the stronger players in the club and now he can! 
365 and playing racquetball? It's a good story, sorry if I doubt that your student was running around on the court at that weight. Maybe he was playing wheelchair racquetball? Well now he can run like a gazelle. Hmmm....
The other part of the story is that to lose that much weight that fast seems unhealthy, especially if pushing things. You're lucky this dude didn't drop dead under your tutelage. Did you clear him medically first?
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