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UniverseOfTheMind8
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Leeper]
#23373190 - 06/23/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Everytime I do shrooms ill always trip similarilly to what youd expect any other normal trip to be like, but then randomly i'll get hit in the face with this really undescribable feeling that just engulfs my mind and my body. It's like a completely different type of trip all together, is ten times more intense than what my actual trip is and its completely random when it decides to happen. I've done shrooms three times trying to figure out if I can have a trip without it happening, first time it ended up happening probably like 10 minutes after I actually started tripping, second time it happened about two hours after, and the third time it didn't end up happening until like five hours after (this one was fucked because I had myself convinced I had succeeded in getting through a trip without it happening so it was horrifying when it did anyways right at what should have been near the end of my trip.) This alternate trip always completely changes the aura of the room that i'm in to were it gives off a very doomish alien type vibe, I start seeing and feeling the energy of everything around me, there's constantly this very god like intelligence that feels as if it is sitting inside my brain and it gives me all these visions of these hellish dimensions or gives me flashbacks of past lives, I always sense and feel something on my back with its hands on my shoulders which makes me super paranoid but whenever I look behind me theres nothing there, my friends turn into aliens and tell me how everything in my so called reality has been a lie that my true reality is actually that shroom reality. That I had escaped from them by dreaming but now that I was back I would never escape again and theyd be harvesting my soul. Time also seems to completely stop and feels as if it has for eternity. I always freak out from it, but then come down from it and realize I was just tripping. It always makes me feel really stupid afterwards, you would think after four times of it happening (forgot to mention it also happened to me when I tried Morning Glory seeds for the first time, after awhile the taste of mushrooms just appeared in my mouth and I just slipped into it, was very strange because I was told it was supposed to be like LSD not shrooms) i'd be able to just realize i'm tripping and just go with the flow, but as soon as I go into that place I just completely lose my mind and there's absolutely no way I can think rationally. Something freaky always happens to convince me that what i'm experiencing is actually happening. It really sucks going back to that place, but i've continued and plan to continue because i'm determined to have a really good enlightening spiritual experience like I know the shrooms have the ability to give me. Still can't figure out why this happens to me though.
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Mike4aco
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I see a lot of posts about what do YOU do when YOU are too high/ tripping too hard.
How about what do YOU do when SOMEONE ELSE is tripping too hard?
I was at a family gathering, and pretty much everyone had taken a mg or so of lsd, or 7+ g of shrooms.
One guy hit a bowl of DMT, then for the next two hours or so was stuck in a loop of
"What just happened? What the hell just happened?"
That was the first time I've ever seen anyone have a bad trip, it was weird, I wasn't sure how to help. I had some ghb and some haloperiodol, worst case scenario, if I had them with me I should have given him one or something
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Leeper
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23373914 - 06/23/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Surrender is the best way there's no other way

I tried surrendering, I was just too high!! Lol! My body shot at me even though I threw up the white flag!! =) lol!
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23373934 - 06/23/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mike4aco said: I see a lot of posts about what do YOU do when YOU are too high/ tripping too hard.
How about what do YOU do when SOMEONE ELSE is tripping too hard?
I was at a family gathering, and pretty much everyone had taken a mg or so of lsd, or 7+ g of shrooms.
One guy hit a bowl of DMT, then for the next two hours or so was stuck in a loop of
"What just happened? What the hell just happened?"
That was the first time I've ever seen anyone have a bad trip, it was weird, I wasn't sure how to help. I had some ghb and some haloperiodol, worst case scenario, if I had them with me I should have given him one or something
Yeah, if my friends saw the way I was acting I don't think they woulda known what to do! They would have been scared for me which in turn would likely scared me, that's for sure! That was like me after the 6 hours passed, was sittin on my couch and just said with a sigh, " holy fuck" (many times over) cause I couldn't believe what just happened! Lol! Luckily I was so high the trip went fast!! Time flew!
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Leeper]
#23374196 - 06/23/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Definitely, having other tripping people around in those situations can sometimes be bad. My third time one of my friends was on an eighth of shrooms and a ten strp of L while I was going through it. Not sure how, but he was able to feel everything I was going through and freaked out trying to get me in the car thinking I was dying. Was not good at all for his trip (I felt reallybad afterwards) and definitely wasnt something I needed to hear at the time haha. My plan is that next time ima just try one gram by myself during the day and see how that goes. All my pther trips have been 3-4 grams at night with 2 or 3 other people. Maybe that's been my mistake the whole time.
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Leeper
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UniverseOfTheMind8 said: Definitely, having other tripping people around in those situations can sometimes be bad. My third time one of my friends was on an eighth of shrooms and a ten strp of L while I was going through it. Not sure how, but he was able to feel everything I was going through and freaked out trying to get me in the car thinking I was dying. Was not good at all for his trip (I felt reallybad afterwards) and definitely wasnt something I needed to hear at the time haha. My plan is that next time ima just try one gram by myself during the day and see how that goes. All my pther trips have been 3-4 grams at night with 2 or 3 other people. Maybe that's been my mistake the whole time.
OH DUDE, you haven't tripped by yourself!? I can tell you that it's a lot of fun... Almost more so because you don't have to care about the needs and wants of others ( sounds selfish, but it's true)! You can just do whatever you want! I don't think that you will be satisfied with 1g though… If you're used to doing 3 to 4g then when you drop down to one you will notice that you're feeling different but you will not have the same body feeling or visuals! I thought of doing that once as well, and I only took 2g, by the time it started hitting me I could feel that it was going to be such a low dose, I then went back into my room and ground up another 2.5 g, but the trip was not at all like usual, way less awesome and intense because I spaced em too much! Then the next weekend just did the whole eighth at once and it was my fourth hardest trip! Lol! Crazy mushies!!!! =)
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Leeper]
#23375929 - 06/24/16 02:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Effects where extremely foreign, it was the first dissociative I've used, walking felt like I was travelling in a car, and music seemed to be out of this world, but really no introspective or spiritual experience was gained, maybe similar to getting stoned while drunk, just without all the nauseas dilemma.
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breathing and letting go to the universe. fighting only makes it worse. open your mind and let go
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Leeper
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Word!
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Leeper]
#23377851 - 06/24/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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begin to let go continue to begin to let go etc.
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23378116 - 06/24/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Only time I can think of a moment like this is years ago when I took around 500mg or 600mg of DXM, there was a brief moment of "I did it this time, took way too much" . There was nothing I could do though, besides lay about and let the drug take its course (what I do during most trips anyways).
It's been about a decade now since I've started working with psychedelics and I've never had a trip where I felt like I was "too high", or uncomfortably high . I've never taken massive doses though .
The highest I've ever been in my life was with 7g of cyans in a tea and around 300mg of MDMA, and another time with around 300mcg to 400mcg of L and 300mg of MDMA...I was lifted so very high, never felt like I was "too high" or uncomfortable, but I just don't have interest or see any reason for me to take a relatively high dose of a psyche and mdma together like that again.
The few times during my travels where I've felt a little "edgy" or have had anxious energy during a trip that I can't seem to shake off (regardless of dosage or how high I am), taking a shower or bath helps. Or I'll follow my breathe for a while which tends to silent the mind and helps let go of anxiety. Dancing is also something I do to shake of weird feels as it puts me into a trance like head-space where I'm not thinking about anything and not feeling anything besides the music and movement of my body....stuck in the moment of "now" .
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Mike4aco said: I see a lot of posts about what do YOU do when YOU are too high/ tripping too hard.
How about what do YOU do when SOMEONE ELSE is tripping too hard?
I was at a family gathering, and pretty much everyone had taken a mg or so of lsd, or 7+ g of shrooms.
One guy hit a bowl of DMT, then for the next two hours or so was stuck in a loop of
"What just happened? What the hell just happened?"
That was the first time I've ever seen anyone have a bad trip, it was weird, I wasn't sure how to help. I had some ghb and some haloperiodol, worst case scenario, if I had them with me I should have given him one or something
Friend of a friend took his first dab of DMT while we were camping...long story short, he took it while in his tent, instantly started to flail his limbs around, kicking and swinging his legs and arms all about very intensely...somehow rolled his way out of the tent, was rolling around on the ground knocking chairs and all sorts of shit over, rolling over camp mates tents, all the while a mix of screaming fearful screams, crying, laughing, and going through cycles of that all at the top of his lungs for about 15 to 20 minutes.
The other friends I was with had not a clue what to do, they were all freaked out...I remained calm and casual, I knew there was absolutely nothing we could do since he's totally out of touch. So I just suggested we move all the chairs and things around our camp out of the way so he doesn't damage anything or hurt himself from rolling around and kicking/swinging his arms & legs. Once he started to settle down (but was still totally out there) I sat next to him and held his hand, rubbing my hand on his hair/head like a mother would do to calm a child.
Really depends on the situation...but sometimes there's not much that can be done when one is way out there and out of touch with the "here & now", besides making sure the space is safe & calm .
I've had to play "baby sitter" quite a handful of times over the years when friends have taken a bit more than they can handle, or when the setting they're in isn't ideal for the dose they took.
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: openmind]
#23378584 - 06/24/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am on a drug.
This drug is Very powerful.
There is nothing I can do about it.
I am on a drug...
This was our mantra as we helped calm the guy down.
I am on a drug. This drug is Very powerful. There is nothing I can do about it.
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Leeper
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23378613 - 06/24/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mike4aco said: I am on a drug.
This drug is Very powerful.
There is nothing I can do about it.
I am on a drug...
This was our mantra as we helped calm the guy down.
I am on a drug. This drug is Very powerful. There is nothing I can do about it.
If I said that over and over again It would prolly help!
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: openmind]
#23378620 - 06/24/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's pretty hardcore! Dmt sounds intense!! Did he remember doing that?
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23378700 - 06/24/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Surrender is the best way there's no other way

Too right, fighting it just makes it worse.
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Northerner]
#23378747 - 06/24/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I find that it's a lot easier to talk about surrendering to the experience than actually surrendering. I would have loved to simply give in and let go on my last trip, and in retrospect that's what I wished I had done, but at the time I was simply panicking too much to consider letting go. All I knew is that I wanted the trip to end and I wanted it to end right that second.
It's a real shame, because the visuals and the thought processes were really amazing and engrossing. The world looked completely foreign to me, with massive amounts of warping, fractals, etc, but I tried my hardest to ignore them because I wanted to be sober again. I was too afraid to close my eyes and be engrossed in the CEVs, which is a pity because they were pretty incredible before they got too intense.
I need to somehow train myself to surrender and let go more easily than I do at the moment. I think I'm going to start doing daily mindfulness meditations again in order to train myself to be in the moment and simply give in when I'm tripping. I'm able to do that to some extent, and I can get on top of the panic and fear, but I'm not able to turn the trip around and go deeper into the experience with a positive and curious attitude. I'm only able to weather the storm and keep the ship steady until we make it back to shore, so to speak.
It felt good to write those thoughts down. Does anybody have any experience or advice on pre-trip intentions and preparations that help with being able to go deeper without fear or panic? It's a real pity, because I want to see fractal patterns, and alien geometries, and experience moments of eternity; but when I'm presented with the opportunity, I feel a deep sense of panic and dread, and latch on to reality as hard as I possibly can.
Maybe those high-ish doses just aren't for me.
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Matai]
#23378761 - 06/24/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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"The key to a happy life is accepting you are not in control."
The same saying works just as well with tripping also. When you just accept it, even if you think you are going to die, just accept it, the trip becomes you rather than being your antagonist.
If you have trouble letting go maybe just work your way up with lower doses for a while until you become familiar with the realm, then you can go bigger.
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Matai]
#23378780 - 06/24/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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A few times ive been worried that i took too much and everytime ive acctually given in to that fear its really hard to let go. Letting go of a scary thought as soon as it arises is quite easy most of the time. When you are already consumed by acctual feelings in such a defensless state as tripping you can not let go by yourself. Something external needs to help you out of it. Your own body and mind is whats causing the difficult experience so how could you let go on your own? Tripping has taught me that bad feelings are like patterns of physical and mental stimulation, you need something external to end the bad pattern and get the next pattern started.
For me the external helpers have been my phone, a stand up comedy special, music and even other drugs have helped me out of a bad headspace which sounds counter intuitive and im not saying it should be a go to option but drugs have helped multiple times ( the drugs that have helped have been alchohol weed and nitrous but im careful with weed because weed can cause anxiety aswell.)
I suppose that yoga and meditation are all internal but they can be quite hard to use effectively when you are too high.
Edited by BANANA.MAN (06/24/16 09:30 PM)
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: Northerner]
#23378791 - 06/24/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Northerner said: "The key to a happy life is accepting you are not in control."
The same saying works just as well with tripping also. When you just accept it, even if you think you are going to die, just accept it, the trip becomes you rather than being your antagonist.
If you have trouble letting go maybe just work your way up with lower doses for a while until you become familiar with the realm, then you can go bigger.
Hes not saying that letting go isnt the key. he is saying that when someone wants a bad trip to end, "just let go" isnt much help to them. They need a strategy to calm them down. A freaking out person isnt just going to be like "yeah dude you are right ill just chill" they need a mechanism for getting from spazing out to calm its not just going to happen because you tell them to let go.
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Re: What do you do when you get too high? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23378819 - 06/24/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dunno what to offer then mate. There have been times when I was sure I was going to die both on and off drugs, I accepted that shit and faced whatever was coming. Now drugs don't scare me at all. I dunno.
Maybe benzos are the only thing that can really help a freaking out tripping person?
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