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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2277565 - 01/27/04 09:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Hippie asked me to write up what my friend has experianced with hominy, so here it is, starting with the basic procedure, and then moving on to notes:

1
open can and dump into collander(pasta strainer thingie). and rinse excessively, useing the faucet, and the little sprayer on a hose thing. then dig around in it by hand and rinse very well again.
2
dry well, preferibly in a towel, but paper towels work ok, kinda. it should be slightly damp but not dripping in the slightest.
3
put a small handful of DRY verm into the bottem of the jars, then fill between half and almost full with hominy(it doesn't shake well, so you don't need room for shaking). my friend used a double layer of house wrap tyvek for a lid.
4
PC it way more then you think you have to, there is a pinkish bacteria that pops up in all of them PC'd for less then an hour at 15psi, these days i recommend 1.5 hours at 15psi.
5
innoc with whatever your going to do it with, g2g, honey water, spores, whatever, and tape over 80-95% of the lid, assuming it's tyvek.
6
after letting the innoc water(assuming it was spores/honey water) run through it a bit, shake it up and try to evenly distribute the verm, it's not possible, but the more even it is the better it works.
7
incubate above 75-80 degrees, the B+ spores my friend used refused to germinate below 75-80ish.
8
shaking at 30% isn't recommended, or really very possible, it takes a LOT of force to get the hominy grains to come apart once they are colonized, and it seems to stall everything for a few)2-4) days, and not really speed up much of anything.
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do you g2g, or casing, or whatever the same as you would with any other grain.


Notes:
It shouldn't require an hour plus of PCing, as inside the can it's perfectly steril, but the pink bacteria seems to be everywhere on everything, and germinates/grows FAR faster then cubensis myc, and will prevent the growth of everything. it can survive up to 45-55 minutes of 15psi PCing, sturdy little bastard.

Using hominy for a g2g into other grains hasn't worked well for my friend, as it tends to stay in clumps enless seriously abused, as which point it takes a while to recover, then when you shake the whatever the hominy will stay in a clumb and create air pockets and generaly be annoying. this isn't an issue for g2ging another hominy jar, as shaking them doesn't help in the first place.

Hominy will pin/grow INVITRO! i had a jar do it after drying out somewhat(didn't tape over enough of the jar lid, 90% is recommended) so it got 5-6cc's of water injected, with about 2cc's of peroxide mixed in to sterilize the water a bit. after three days it poped up eight pins, which grew quite quickly. as a note, this was in a one pint jar with half a pint or so of hominy.

Try to find the lowest sodium/serving you can, 180 is commen and just find, 680 is also common, and may or may not work. 120 has been found once, and some stores carry a "natural no sodium added" kind that only has 40mg/serving!

You really need to rinse it more then you think you do, the water in the car is saturated with corn starch, which will contam things no matter how long you pc, so rinse it till it is CLEAN. (don't use soap though :P)

Trip quality off B+'s grown in hominy cased with just verm is excellent, seemed more visual then usual with a bit less mental confusion compared to others at the same visual level. Remember this is a very subjective thing, and probably has more to do with mental state then strain/substrate, but you never know.

My friend found that for making casings it worked well to use gloved/steril hands(inside a positive pressure HEPA glovebox) to pull the grains apart, rather then using a spoon or something. spoons will cut right through the soft hominy and expose a lot of uncolonized grain, which if your using a steril casing and doing it in a clean area isn't a problem.

My friend used straight verm to case his, it was hydrated till squeezing a handfull got a drop or two to run off his hand, then then covered it with saran wrap and microwaved for three minutes.
it comes out HOT, like 200-300-400 degrees kind of hot, burn your hand instantly kind of hot, be careful!

I suspect that the housewrap tyveks lets more air/water through it then the postal stuff does, hence the taping over 80-95% of it. The bigger the jar the more air it needs, and the less you should tape it.

My friend is planning more invitro experiments, and i will post his results, if any, when he's done.

If any of you have any questions feel free to post them or PM my. My internet is dead at the moment so it will take a few days for me to reply.
(sorry for the spelling/grammer errors, hippie3(or any other mod) your welcome to fix any you notice, in fact, please do :P)

Ha, edited already, but by Me...

Hominy has an odd smell, that is fairly hard to describe. Take a few whiffs of your jars before you put the lids on, and after you put the lids on and remember that smell! there are a good number of invisibly contams that will make it smell either different and nasty, OR THE SAME, but much stronger!


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2277781 - 01/27/04 10:56 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

sounds interesting...I may give it a try once I more knowledge on mushies.

Thanks for the info though.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2278182 - 01/28/04 12:50 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

PC it way more then you think you have to, there is a pinkish bacteria that pops up in all of them PC'd for less then an hour at 15psi, these days i recommend 1.5 hours at 15psi.
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PC hominy? I thought the whole point of hominy was so you didn't need a PC.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2278225 - 01/28/04 01:14 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

lol
once you open the can,
it's no longer sterile.
so one still must sterilize it.
[unless all work is done under flowhood]
'the whole point', if you will,
is that you don't need to hydrate hominy,
no soaking, no boiling, no added water to the jar, etc.
just open a can, rinse well, dump in a jar and PC.
that's enough to justify some research in my opinion.
and there's guys out there getting decent results with it,
like the guy above who's been using hominy for 3-4 months now.
not saying all you old timers will suddenly switch to hominy
but it seems to be helping some newer ones,
and that's what i'm after.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2278248 - 01/28/04 01:24 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You shouldn't need to sterilize it in the PC. Steam sterilization should be enough. If not, then hominy is useless IMO.

A novelty at best.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2278307 - 01/28/04 01:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

well, first of all,
you're leaping to a conclusion that's not warranted there.
he used a PC because he has one,
just as anyone with a PC would.
but there's nothing in his data that sez a PC
is required.
simply steaming for a couple hours may be just as good,
esp. since his problem was simple bacteria, not tough endospores. also it's worth noting that his bacteria problem was a local environmental hazard, other locales would not necessarily encounter the same.
more experiments would be needed to determine the case.
but hey, you're entitled to yer opinion.
but our friend Pskovinsky doesn't see hominy as just a novelty,
he's very happy with the shrooms he grew on it.
that counts for something in my book.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2278706 - 01/28/04 03:29 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

here's another report just in,
more data to follow as it progresses.

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Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 03:07 am:

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10 or so days after birthing, my gal's SA on Hominey, cased w/ straight coir, is finally pinning. Here is a closeup.



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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2283029 - 01/29/04 02:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 07:28 pm:

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    #2285098 - 01/30/04 04:17 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: OldSpice]
    #2285308 - 01/30/04 05:30 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

just picked up 2 cans of food club white hominy...i plan on steam sterilizing a mix of hominy and verm, and innocing with a killer disqustingly fast and extremly aggresive bit of creepers liquid culture. ill post picks when i get that far.

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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: angryjslice]
    #2291530 - 02/01/04 07:43 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

cool, thx,
every report helps us to gain expertise.
here's another update from Joe Millionaire (Rotterdam_y2k)
same tray as above a few days later.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2292307 - 02/02/04 03:20 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Baby_Hitler said:


A novelty at best.




What, like your  Pixie Packs???  :lol:


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Bi0TeK]
    #2293445 - 02/02/04 03:04 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

lol
bet there are more folks out there
growing on hominy
then there are folks
making 'pixie packs'.
good one!
btw, there's now a nice photo rich version of my hominy tek
here-
hominy tek
i tried to post it directly here
but ran into this damn 'upload limit'
so i uploaded what i could & i'll return later
to do the rest, and see if i can't fix the posts
where the pix are missing because we moved the
to our archives, breaking the imagelink.
just need a higher upload limit so i could get it
done right the first time by uploading here
instead of resorting to links.


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    #2295228 - 02/03/04 04:40 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: OldSpice]
    #2295399 - 02/03/04 05:17 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

a month's really slow,
mine finished very quickly,

that's 5 days after germination


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: OldSpice]
    #2296587 - 02/03/04 03:53 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i did it wrong way back then,
when i used a spoon to get it out of the jar,
which is why i let it recover a few extra days.
the hominy is soft so the spoon cut it,
exposing uncolonized areas
BUT now we know that using fingers is much better,
as Pskovinsky mentions above.
and so, in truth, hominy is almost as fast as popcorn.
if it took a month, you did something wrong.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2296687 - 02/03/04 04:58 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hominy Prep

Hominy is available at Walmart and other fine food stores

This 6lb 10oz can cost around $2.30 which is less than .40 a lb. Yellow hominy can be substituted for white. It is easier to see the mycelium develop on the yellow.

The beauty of Hominy is that there is very little prep involved. Remember Economics 101? There is an opportunity cost to everything.

Get all the supplies in order.

Can of Hominy
Quart Jars w/ lids
Vermiculite
Spores/Innoculum




A close up of the Hominy. It looks like bloated pieces of corn.


Wash the hominy very well to remove the excess sodium. Taste if necessary. If it doesn't taste too salty, then it probably isn't.


Put a 1/4" layer of dry verm in the jars.


Fill with hominy.


Cover with aluminum foil and steam/PC for 1 hour .



Inoculate via spore injection, liquid innoculum, agar, etc...

After three days, shake the jar to evenly distribute the vermiculite. The verm covering the hominy does not adversely effect mycellial growth.

Case per your favourite method. Birth normally. Should be able to be used as spawn.
Good luck.

In a few weeks, you could be staring at this beauty!



1st flush of a 4 qt casing of hominy [scale was on TARE]


February 03, 2004 - 11:50 am:
Picked this morning from hominy. 2nd flush underway.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2336596 - 02/15/04 02:28 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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cool, thx,
every report helps us to gain expertise.
here's another update from Joe Millionaire (Rotterdam_y2k)
same tray as above a few days later.





second flush, same tray, 2 weeks later


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2336964 - 02/15/04 07:28 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Hippie3 said:
cool, thx,
every report helps us to gain expertise.
here's another update from Joe Millionaire (Rotterdam_y2k)
same tray as above a few days later.





second flush, same tray, 2 weeks later






Quote:


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Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 02:38 pm:

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my girl emailed me the 2nd flush results.
125 wet




Quote:

It seems that hominy is a great substrate that gives the mushrooms an opportunity to get some size to them. Some of those mushrooms my girlfriend's roommate was holding in his hand were over 6" tall.

The appropriate isolate with thick meaty stems could flourish on hominy.

Imagine if her casing had an even pinset? A casing like that could put out 40grams dry easy.





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