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MHAM
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Newb looking for reassurance
#23369156 - 06/22/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So this is my first time growing, and I decided to go with a starter kit that included 12 1/2 pint jars. To this point I have been lurking on this site to get me as far as I am. I successfully colonized all 12 jars with no contams, of which 2 are still colonizing and the other 10 were birthed 5 days ago. I'm using a fc with 3" of perilite and a small air pump with hepa hose conected to a timer set at 1 hour on/1 hour off intervals. Temp is at 74 f and humidity is around 90-100%. Just starting to see pins from one cake, however the rest are still not doing much. I'm guessing I need to be patient. I was wondering if these are aborts and should be picked, or if I can let them ride? Any advice helps. I love this site.

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bodhisatta 
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: MHAM]
#23369171 - 06/22/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Air pumps are not for growing mushrooms. They put them in kits to burn noobs out of more $$
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: bodhisatta]
#23369182 - 06/22/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think youll have some beautiful mushrooms soon 
btw is it just me or is it quite dry in that tub..?
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bodhisatta 
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Throw away the air pump. Drill 1/4 inch holes on all Six sides in a 2 inch grid pattern.
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Bunji Fungi
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: bodhisatta]
#23369191 - 06/22/16 06:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yup. There's minimal air exchange in there. It looks like you've been reading outdate information. You can filter your searches from 3-5 years and even click the Trusted Cultivator box to get the best info from the professionals.
Make yourself a proper shotgun fruiting chamber (SGFC). 1/4" holes, 2 inches apart, on all 6 sides of the chamber. You wont find a cheaper, easier, or more effective fruiting chamber. Those are a bit crowded as well which will reduce fresh air coming in through the bottom holes.
Also, you don't want to keep the humidity at 95-100% all the time. letting it drop will increase evaporation which is a pinning trigger. just mist them when the look dry and don't worry about measuring your RH. Your cakes look great though! Good luck!
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: bodhisatta]
#23369192 - 06/22/16 06:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Throw away the air pump. Drill 1/4 inch holes on all Six sides in a 2 inch grid pattern.
AKA turn it into a proper SGFC. elevate it as well.
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bodhisatta 
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Air exchange is inadequate from the pump. Humidity can be as low as 50% regularly and you won't get cracked caps. Humidity is basically unimportant with cakes if you build a SGFC and live in 99% of places.
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MHAM
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: bodhisatta]
#23369218 - 06/22/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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With enough fanning, and leaving the pump on, can I finish out this grow? I don't want to start messing with the fc till I'm finished. If at all possible.
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: MHAM]
#23369220 - 06/22/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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MHAM said: With enough fanning, and leaving the pump on, can I finish out this grow? I don't want to start messing with the fc till I'm finished. If at all possible.
of course you CAN, but without ideal conditions you wont end up with many mushrooms to show for the work you put in...
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MHAM
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Why does an air pump not do anything? It seems like it would ciculate out the co2 with fresh o2. But everyone seems to deem it worthless. Why is that?
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Bunji Fungi
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: MHAM]
#23369284 - 06/22/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It simply doesn't do nearly as efficient of a job at that as a SGFC. Why reinvent the wheel when you can stand on the shoulders of giants?
What I mean is, we learn from the experience of many who have come before us, who learned that air pumps work like shit, lol, and there are better ways. No one is saying you wont get a few shrooms. We're just saying if you do it right you will get much better results!
Think about it. One little air pump... or a crap ton of 1/4" holes on all six sides. What do you think will give you better fresh air exchange?
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23369390 - 06/22/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the help. I put holes in it as soon as I got the feedback. Would it hurt if I left the pump in anyways? Otherwise I'll just toss it.
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: MHAM]
#23369428 - 06/22/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't see how it could hurt anything. Remember to mist when they get dry and good luck!
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MHAM
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23369434 - 06/22/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Awesome. Thanks so much to everyone
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23369590 - 06/22/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bunji Fungi said: I don't see how it could hurt anything. Remember to mist when they get dry and good luck! 
Don't give advice if you think like that. Air pumps have no place in mycology.
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: MHAM]
#23369843 - 06/22/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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MHAM said: Why does an air pump not do anything? It seems like it would ciculate out the co2 with fresh o2. But everyone seems to deem it worthless. Why is that?
That's what noobs think it do but it don't
You can fan 10 times an hour to make up for FAE
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: bodhisatta]
#23370085 - 06/22/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bunji Fungi Listen to the experts. Ditch the air pump.
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: Sporkvirus] 3
#23370120 - 06/22/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm just here to reassure you. There, there, little fella, it's all gonna be ok.
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: GreenRabbit]
#23372807 - 06/23/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said:
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Bunji Fungi said: I don't see how it could hurt anything. Remember to mist when they get dry and good luck! 
Don't give advice if you think like that. Air pumps have no place in mycology.
im with this guy. take the air pump out and make it a proper SGFC elevated slightly off the ground using pint jars or similar. you want airflow from ALL sides, including the bottom.
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Bunji Fungi
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He already made it a SGFC. I didn't give advice I said I didn't know how it would hurt. I don't use air pumps, I don't recommend people use air pumps.
If you think it's harmful in this case besides being a waste of electricity then please explain instead of just being condescending. If you just want me to get on board with standardization then no problem, next time I'll just say throw it away.
Edited by Bunji Fungi (06/23/16 09:37 PM)
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23375312 - 06/23/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bunji Fungi said:
yup. There's minimal air exchange in there. It looks like you've been reading outdate information. You can filter your searches from 3-5 years and even click the Trusted Cultivator box to get the best info from the professionals.
Make yourself a proper shotgun fruiting chamber (SGFC). 1/4" holes, 2 inches apart, on all 6 sides of the chamber. You wont find a cheaper, easier, or more effective fruiting chamber. Those are a bit crowded as well which will reduce fresh air coming in through the bottom holes.
Also, you don't want to keep the humidity at 95-100% all the time. letting it drop will increase evaporation which is a pinning trigger. just mist them when the look dry and don't worry about measuring your RH. Your cakes look great though! Good luck!
The problem here being that the foil is too large. Upside down jar lids make great spacers just keep in mind to use them for fruiting and fruiting only since they'll eat the rubber seal. The foil in the first few days pools water and verm exposed to open air which is a vector for contamination.
Clumping cakes together helps the 1-2mm microclimate of the cake's "casing layer", and having them grouped together helps maintain the climate that you've created by rolling. You're best off jam packing a sgfc as long as perlite can cause evap. In a best case scenario, the cakes should be placed in the center of the sgfc in a group.
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: Adden]
#23375413 - 06/23/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool, that's what I was referring to. Thanks for explaining and the additional information. That's very helpful.
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23375514 - 06/23/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No problem, glad to help.
I'm currently on a kick in which I'll dunk my cakes, roll them, smooth off the top with a dollop of verm. It takes an extra week to get that thicker casing layer colonized and pinning, but they fruit from the top and average almost 7g dry per cake without having to worry of future dunks and flushes. That extra week with the bit of extra verm on top ends up saving you time in the long run and it's also quicker to twist and pull since they won't be flushing again anyway. The only problem I've found is pins between the upside down lid and the small gap underneath. I throw them in with aborts.
Another thing I've been doing lately is dunking, rolling, then letting sit 24h so the verm grabs hold. Then I'll gently mist above the tub and just let the water fall down. It really helps that incredibly integral microclimate across all surfaces of the cakes. If I was to ever run cakes again, I'd do 1) extra verm on top, 2) gentle introduction of moisture to retain verm those first two days and 3) upside down jar lids across the board which are dedicated to this purpose and this purpose only.
And as an example, the pictures here go from left to center to right. I don't like misting my pins so I'll move them around. Far left is a batch that got birthed a week early and now just needs time. Second pic they won't need water anymore, and the third section on the far right will look like the ones in the middle within a week, and far left will look like the third pic, etc.
I don't like messing with my cakes or handling them too much but my sgfc constantly needs the perlite to get rehydrated. It's sitting in the worst place possible so I've had to improvise.

^ Cakes birthed a week early and will start pinning soon.
^ Fruiting out of the top and when they flush they're harvested and removed.

^ No more water for any of these guys as the water can pool in the pinsets. So now all it is is aftee the rotating cake game with no more misting until they're all done.
It's how I like to do it anyway.
Sometimes the jar lids in lieu of foil cause the bottom pinning, but then it's just twist and pull the top, flip to twist and pull the bottom and they're done.

This is a good example of why I like that extra verm on top, outside of waiting on lackluster second flushes and just end up being contam vectors anyway for people who cut them.

These were overmisted as pins and smaller fruits, causing a decline in potency and raising contamination concerns. There was another 10g or so wet in smaller pieces they just didn't stack on the scale.
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: Adden]
#23376217 - 06/24/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow that's awesome, those cakes look beautiful! I'm going to implement these techniques on the cakes I'm birthing this week for sure. Thanks again for the great tips!
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Re: Newb looking for reassurance [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23376297 - 06/24/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bunji Fungi said: He already made it a SGFC. I didn't give advice I said I didn't know how it would hurt. I don't use air pumps, I don't recommend people use air pumps.
If you think it's harmful in this case besides being a waste of electricity then please explain instead of just being condescending. If you just want me to get on board with standardization then no problem, next time I'll just say throw it away.
im sorry i didnt mean it like that. i knew you werent advocating for people to use air pumps or anything lol. i was simply agreeing more with another users opinion; nothing more.
i dont feel its truly detrimental either. however i dont believe it has any place in this set up. and theres no reason to keep it there.
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Bunji Fungi
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Okay. Thank you for saying so. I agree and next time I'll be more careful about my answers on this subject.
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