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Didn't feel anything
    #23369092 - 06/22/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hi,

I suffer with depression and wanted to try microdosing.  I ordered a Spore syringe from *sponsor removed*, the strain was psilocybe cubentis, and I managed to grow some mushrooms (will post a picture of them later).

I dried the mushrooms and stored them for six months.  On friday I tried a very small 0.5gramms amount.  However, I felt nothing, should I not have felt something on them?

Can somebody please advise?

Denise


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: denise1904]
    #23369097 - 06/22/16 05:46 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I will normally take a minimum of 2 grams to get a very mild "trip". Unless it was P.E strain, I highly doubt you would feel much off 0.5. Just my 2 cents :smile:


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: denise1904]
    #23369099 - 06/22/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

my 3 guesses would be:

-they weren't cracker dry initially when u stored them

-ur on a medication that interrupts their effect (SSRI's maybe do that? i dunno)

-u ate something heavy and the effect wasn't felt (this happened to me with oatmeal once, super mild trip on an eighth)

true that on the .5….it is pretty low…so there is that too


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23369121 - 06/22/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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-they weren't cracker dry initially when u stored them





My initial thought as well....if they weren't cracker dry oxidation would make them lose potentcy...is this right? This is my understanding from what I've read...


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23369167 - 06/22/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i've only grown bunk shrooms twice, so I usually blame storage(either not totally dried when stored, or using a thin plastic bag that gets punctured by the cracker dry fruits easily>lets ambient air in).  Ive grown weak ones a handful, but totally bunk is rare IME.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23369179 - 06/22/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Not cracker dry, storage, or sometimes they're just weak

Real neurological depression or clinically diagnosed? Actual problem genetically with your neurotransmitters functioning or do you just have faculty based depression?

Medicine for depression can kill a trip. What meds are you on?


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23369190 - 06/22/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i think theres too many factors to decide. but if youre planning on trying again, id start at 2g if .5 did nothing at all. move your way up from there if you have to and eat .5-1g at a time until you start to feel it. id give a good hour between doses. though i prefer dosing in 30 minute intervals. (this all depends on how much you have left of course.)

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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23369194 - 06/22/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Eat 7 you won't die. It will work.

You can use a more inaccurate kitchen scale. Measure 70g wet shrooms. Set them aside in your dehydrator and eat them when dry they should be about 6.3-7.7g dry


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23369203 - 06/22/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I dose here and there for the same purpose....1 to 1.5 g is all I've ever required of p.cubensis .... .5 is very low.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: denise1904]
    #23369226 - 06/22/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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denise1904 said:
Hi,

I suffer with depression and wanted to try microdosing.  I ordered a Spore syringe from *sponsor removed*, the strain was psilocybe cubentis, and I managed to grow some mushrooms (will post a picture of them later).

I dried the mushrooms and stored them for six months.  On friday I tried a very small 0.5gramms amount.  However, I felt nothing, should I not have felt something on them?

Can somebody please advise?

Denise



You aren't supposed to feel much when microdosing.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Juiceh]
    #23369305 - 06/22/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Juiceh said:
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denise1904 said:
Hi,

I suffer with depression and wanted to try microdosing.  I ordered a Spore syringe from *sponsor removed*, the strain was psilocybe cubentis, and I managed to grow some mushrooms (will post a picture of them later).

I dried the mushrooms and stored them for six months.  On friday I tried a very small 0.5gramms amount.  However, I felt nothing, should I not have felt something on them?

Can somebody please advise?

Denise



You aren't supposed to feel much when microdosing.





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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23369379 - 06/22/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well I eat .21 dried grams and have a wonderful time, very noticeable - almost moved to tears the other day during meditation it was so beautiful. I have two friends that take .30 for micro doses and have a good experience too. The people that have to take an eighth, I just feel sorry for them, I can make 3.5 last a really long time haha. For me, eating 1 gram is a pretty significant 6 hour experience. I have been eating mushrooms off and on for over 10 years.

Your mushrooms were probably not dried correctly I suppose, or you're on medication. Some people genetically need a lot of psilocybin for them to trip, I am one of those that requires a very small amount. In my experience, micro dosing can do wonders for depression. If you're seriously depressed, consider a true ayahuasca ceremony with a trusted shaman.

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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23369622 - 06/22/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Pastywhyte said:
Quote:

Juiceh said:
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denise1904 said:
Hi,

I suffer with depression and wanted to try microdosing.  I ordered a Spore syringe from *sponsor removed*, the strain was psilocybe cubentis, and I managed to grow some mushrooms (will post a picture of them later).

I dried the mushrooms and stored them for six months.  On friday I tried a very small 0.5gramms amount.  However, I felt nothing, should I not have felt something on them?

Can somebody please advise?

Denise



You aren't supposed to feel much when microdosing.





This.




Half gram is nothing.
I presented my senior project at an engineering expo on half a gram...


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23370030 - 06/22/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Who grows mushrooms for the first time then waits 6 months, then only eats .5g?  Like, what?


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Perception7]
    #23370443 - 06/22/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The people that have to take an eighth, I just feel sorry for them




Nobody "has" to eat an eigth lol :wink:

I at a quarter once, just to see what was up....once :crazy2:


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Myko Fanatikos]
    #23370468 - 06/22/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I usually stick with about a gram.  I rarely eat mushrooms anyway so I'm good with lite visuals.
Drying and storage seem very likely to me to be your problem.  Just adding my vote.

Oh BTW did you actually use a scale?  I've mistaken small doses before and didnt feel much....


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Myko Fanatikos]
    #23370768 - 06/22/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The people that have to take an eighth, I just feel sorry for them




Nobody "has" to eat an eigth lol :wink:

I at a quarter once, just to see what was up....once :crazy2:




I do.. A gram does almost nothing for me. An eighth is a decent trip, but quite underwhelming.
I don't trip often either, that is just my natural tolerance.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23370798 - 06/22/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If I don't eat an eighth+, I feel like it's a waste. Only with PE varieties will I ever eat less.

You aren't supposed to trip off a microdose.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: dankington]
    #23370882 - 06/22/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

My first time eating them was 2g in chocolate and it was more potent than a lot of eigth I've eaten, not all.

I ate an eigth at work once and it just made me feel really high. It wasn't a very comfortable space to be eating mushies and there wasn't even a hint of visuals.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Myko Fanatikos]
    #23371006 - 06/22/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I tripped working in the produce section at Walmart...that was fun


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: medieval]
    #23371068 - 06/22/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I will normally take a minimum of 2 grams to get a very mild "trip".



:whathesaid:
you might feel a bit off about a gram if you're smoking weed or drinking with it, but under a half eighth of cubes and it'll be extremely underwhelming


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23371080 - 06/22/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I get decent OEVs and pretty good CEVs with like 1 gram of some of mine so... whatever homies.  Telling anybody else what might be underwhelming for them is just... not something you can really do.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Inocuole]
    #23371118 - 06/22/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I get decent OEVs and pretty good CEVs with like 1 gram of some of mine so... whatever homies.  Telling anybody else what might be underwhelming for them is just... not something you can really do.



Damn, maybe yours are really good genetics. Off 1g i feel just stoned. I'm just getting into cloning some potent clusters so i'm sure that'll help. But 1.75+ is when i start to get slight oevs and decent cevs. Honestly theres so many factors, (genetics, drying method, storage, etc) when it comes to this it's hard to give accurate non-anecdotal opinions.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23372278 - 06/23/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hi,

Thanks to all of you for your responses and your advice.  I did dry the mushrooms with a fan and then I baked Epsom salts in an oven and then put the mushrooms in a container with the Epsom salts underneath and stored the mushrooms in a drawer in the dark.  So I do think that I dried them properly.  Next time I will try eating them straight away when they are fresh.  That's if I can manage to grow them again.

I'm just wondering if the spore syringe that I got was not the real thing.  I will post a photo up later on and would appreciate it if you could let me know if they look like the real thing.

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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: denise1904]
    #23372543 - 06/23/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Ayahuasca doesn't generally cure depression, it just lifts it for a week or two. Recommending ayahuasca to strangers on the internet is irresponsible. Looking for a "trusted shaman" is naive.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Orgasmatron]
    #23372608 - 06/23/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Fan drying and desiccate is a terrible way to dry if you are looking to preserve potency.

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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23372610 - 06/23/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Lol I walked into a convince store tripping and it was like shelves of color


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23372640 - 06/23/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The people that have to take an eighth, I just feel sorry for them




Nobody "has" to eat an eigth lol :wink:

I at a quarter once, just to see what was up....once :crazy2:




I do.. A gram does almost nothing for me. An eighth is a decent trip, but quite underwhelming.
I don't trip often either, that is just my natural tolerance.




im with this guy.. while i DO take a low dose of xanax each morning for anxiety and shit i doubt its having THAT much of an effect on my overall trip. it always kicks fast, come up strong, and a nice level strong trip; just the way i like it.

but anything under 3.5g IS a complete waste IN MY OPINION. everyone is different so dont flame me for saying that lol. i personally enjoy 7g doses as my PERFECT dose. and that is what i stick with on most occasions. (tbh im only guessing its about 7g. i like to eat about 4 grams to start. and then redose every 30-45 minutes till i feel exactly how i want to feel. id say i eat between 1-2g for each redose which i do once or twice. by the second redose im usually feeling super great (:< i dont usually weigh out my doses though. i have MUCH more fun without weighing them.)


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23372683 - 06/23/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Not sure if it's the "wrong" variety for a microdose but I took about .4g dry of PE before work a couple weeks ago and it was awesome. Definitely not high, no visuals or anything but you definitely do feel different. I just recently started filling capsules and tried them with martinique. I noticed I need to eat 3 gel caps to feel the same way I did with the PE, might just be building a tolerance though. I like microdosing because you're still 100% and work isn't as boring as it is normally.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23372843 - 06/23/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone has different experiences with different doses in different environments. I'm not flaming ya buddy :wink:


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Myko Fanatikos]
    #23372939 - 06/23/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

There's wild mush that comes in from BC a few times a year that will give you serious visuals at 2g and waves of uphoria.

Not for a novice at all. Wondering if they are Pans... Think some are around today and will get some plates done up.


My PESA requires an eighth to be a level 2.5 to 3. Did a half oz lemon tek with 3 close friends over the course of an evening.  Used the 'grounds' after as a 'salsa'  with doritos near the end.  Flavor was great partially due to my modded tek in my journal.


Stones 14g fresh with Rue was fantabulous.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Inocuole]
    #23373111 - 06/23/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I get decent OEVs and pretty good CEVs with like 1 gram of some of mine so... whatever homies.  Telling anybody else what might be underwhelming for them is just... not something you can really do.




:whathesaid: This is common sense and I agree.

I don't trip (hallucinate) on .20-.30 you're not supposed to, its a micro-dose, but do I feel any effects? Hell yes I do, it's significant in its own way. Anyone that doesn't believe in the effectiveness of micro-dosing, please Google "James Fadiman microdosing" - the dude wrote a book on it with many many professionals writing about their experiences.

Terrance McKenna said it best when he referenced people taking mushrooms recreationally, like at music festivals, he said "you must be out of your mind". My opinion is that mushrooms in high doses are not meant for recreation, it is and should be treated as much more then that. Why do you think Terence would eat them alone in darkness? If you want to treat it differently that's fine, it is your right to do with them as you please, but I feel that they deserve MUCH more respect. Now I am guilty of taking mushrooms at concerts where there are incredible visualizations, like the latest Tool concert I attended, but the dose was small (.5) - not an eighth.

If you can take an eighth at a festival and have a ball and compose yourself then go for it - I am not hating on you at all. Different strokes for different folks. We are all adults here. My point is please try to refrain from telling someone that X dose will be underwhelming, because really you have no fucking idea what may be underwhelming to that person.

I always suggest to people that I give mushrooms to: start with a gram or less, then go from there once you have established a baseline.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Perception7]
    #23373123 - 06/23/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I won't trip with anything when there's people who aren't tripping around. Even if they are my friends but especially if they are strangers. Acid is even worse, I feel so uncomfortable with acid around straight folk.

I know others that just love to take it in nightclubs and concerts, some even high doses.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Perception7]
    #23373135 - 06/23/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I get decent OEVs and pretty good CEVs with like 1 gram of some of mine so... whatever homies.  Telling anybody else what might be underwhelming for them is just... not something you can really do.




:whathesaid: This is common sense and I agree.

I don't trip (hallucinate) on .20-.30 you're not supposed to, its a micro-dose, but do I feel any effects? Hell yes I do, it's significant in its own way. Anyone that doesn't believe in the effectiveness of micro-dosing, please Google "James Fadiman microdosing" - the dude wrote a book on it with many many professionals writing about their experiences.

Terrance McKenna said it best when he referenced people taking mushrooms recreationally, like at music festivals, he said "you must be out of your mind". My opinion is that mushrooms in high doses are not meant for recreation, it is and should be treated as much more then that. Why do you think Terence would eat them alone in darkness? If you want to treat it differently that's fine, it is your right to do with them as you please, but I feel that they deserve MUCH more respect. Now I am guilty of taking mushrooms at concerts where there are incredible visualizations, like the latest Tool concert I attended, but the dose was small (.5) - not an eighth.

If you can take an eighth at a festival and have a ball and compose yourself then go for it - I am not hating on you at all. Different strokes for different folks. We are all adults here. My point is please try to refrain from telling someone that X dose will be underwhelming, because really you have no fucking idea what may be underwhelming to that person.

I always suggest to people that I give mushrooms to: start with a gram or less, then go from there once you have established a baseline.




just my experience. but recreational/festivals etc. i like to take MDMA/2-ci type chemicals. LSD can be fun too when mixed with MDMA for partying. mushrooms though. i either like up to 5-7g(my good friends usually wont mess with over 3.5 but w/e) with a few friends on a camp-out or something similar. long fishing trip etc. but when i trip on my own(which is majority of the time). i like to take bigger doses and become super introspective. think about my future and what i want for myself and my life. it gets jumbled over the course of the trip and i find myself forgetting what it is i thought up in the first place. but most times it ends up being a fundamental and fun trip lol.

at my age now though i dont really eat mushrooms like i used to. while i still enjoy bigger doses, i dont go eating mushrooms ALL the time like i did at one point. once every couple months, or even less, is more than enough for me :smile:


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    #23373174 - 06/23/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

@ myco - yeah I have one friend that can eat mushrooms all night and the dude doesn't break a sweat. I think some people are just genetically capable of very high doses. My dad for instance didn't feel shit on an eighth according to my uncle when they ate some as teenagers - everyone tripped out except him.

Some people can keep their composure during extremely stressful situations, as mushrooms can cause temporary psychosis, so it may not be all genetics related, it also could be in combination with accepting the new landscape and releasing control.

A lot of bad trips happen cause the mind doesn't want to release control, and psilocybin causes a fight or flight reaction in the brain, I feel it happen during meditation on microdoses, its like someone flipping on a light switch in my brain. I just tell myself its cool, these alkaloids are here to help, not harm, and the fear flees like a bird flying overhead through the sky.

Your introspective thinking on 7g is what I do on 1g or .2 haha, on 7g I would have ego-death all over again and couldn't tell you my name, you can forget introspective thoughts for awhile :lol:


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Perception7]
    #23373218 - 06/23/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Syrian Rue extract would likely help.  Biochemical differences should only be enzyme related.  Breaking down the psilocybin


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    #23373234 - 06/23/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well I'm sure medications play a big role. SSRI's and benzos affect a trip heavily.
I've found even small amounts of alcohol affect the trip a lot too. With alcohol or benzos, they allow me to ingest much more than I could normally.

Also, what you said about barriers, Perception. Some people need more because they can't let themselves go.

Back to OP, a microdose isn't meant to be enough to trip though. That's not the point of the microdose at all.


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    #23373326 - 06/23/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Well I'm sure medications play a big role. SSRI's and benzos affect a trip heavily.
I've found even small amounts of alcohol affect the trip a lot too. With alcohol or benzos, they allow me to ingest much more than I could normally.

Also, what you said about barriers, Perception. Some people need more because they can't let themselves go.

Back to OP, a microdose isn't meant to be enough to trip though. That's not the point of the microdose at all.




it very well could be the benzos(though i take only .25-.5mg each morning. never more). but the mushrooms DEFINITELY still effect me plenty haha. i DO think the benzos help with staying completely calm. but truly i believe it comes down to just accepting that youve jumped in the hole, and whether you like it or not, youre along for the ride.

as soon as i remember and accept that ive just taken a substance that is going to possibly send me into space, i calm right down and enjoy the ride. i think this way when it comes to a lot of life though... life is just a ride you know?


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    #23373436 - 06/23/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Back to OP, a microdose isn't meant to be enough to trip though. That's not the point of the microdose at all.




Don't think she was talking about tripping, she was hoping to alleviate at least some of the depression.

When I said that I feel a microdose, I didn't mean tripping either. There are no visuals, I am not "high", just mildly effected and slightly more positive. I am not suffering from any kind of mental disease, I only take microdoses to make my very boring job just a little less boring. No way in hell I am going to eat enough to become even just a little genuinely tripped out. I loathe being around people when I'm tripping, unless they are also tripping. A microdose is different though, even though I feel it's effects ever so slightly, it's like an altogether different drug.


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    #23373455 - 06/23/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Ayahuasca doesn't generally cure depression, it just lifts it for a week or two. Recommending ayahuasca to strangers on the internet is irresponsible. Looking for a "trusted shaman" is naive.




I wasn't going to even bother replying to this, but I suppose I will for Denise's sake.

Ayahuasca has the ability to change your perception. The brew may cause you to see your situation in a more positive light, or allow you to change the things about yourself you don't like, or summon the courage to leave a lover that is abusive. The key word here is "may", there is no absolute cure for depression.

I told Denise to consider drinking ayahuasca, I didn't tell her to do it. There are a lot of "shamans" that are swindlers that take advantage of foreigners, it happens everyday. When I say trusted shaman, I am referring to the guys who prepare the brew appropriately, because if the brew is made incorrectly it can kill you. Also when I say trusted shaman, I mean someone who has a report with the community, who has references, who has reviews... etc. You have to research throughly before participating in an ayahuasca ceremony.

If 100 depressed people volunteered to be involved in a test of the effectiveness of ayahuasca vs anti-depressants I wonder what the outcome would be? I'd put money on the idea that ayahuasca would be much more effective at curing depression on the whole, and would also prove to be a better answer to long term treatment.

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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Orgasmatron]
    #23373501 - 06/23/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'm starting to think orgasmatron is just a puppet-troll account.

Please do mention any type of medication that doesn't "lift" depression temporarily but heals it completely. If anything, prescription medication seems to be about the worst thing people depression are given. Although I don't have any type of experience on the subject, one very commonly prescribed medications (SSRI's) are said to make the conditions worse for the majority of the people who tried them. I have yet to meet someone both IRL or on the net that says he/she/loved one/family member is doing better with SSRI's when compared to shrooms even.


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    #23373532 - 06/23/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Most of the time, depression is a symptom of some past trauma.


Psychedelics are indispensable when combined with therapy. Saskatchewan had many psychiatric trials in the mid 20th century with astounding results in prisons, institutions and for treatment of alcoholism.  Then of course made illegal...


Granted there can be neurotransmitter imbalances driving the problems.


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    #23373766 - 06/23/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm starting to think orgasmatron is just a puppet-troll account.

Please do mention any type of medication that doesn't "lift" depression temporarily but heals it completely. If anything, prescription medication seems to be about the worst thing people depression are given. Although I don't have any type of experience on the subject, one very commonly prescribed medications (SSRI's) are said to make the conditions worse for the majority of the people who tried them. I have yet to meet someone both IRL or on the net that says he/she/loved one/family member is doing better with SSRI's when compared to shrooms even.




Yeah in my experience, most of the people I know who have taken anti-depressants are worse after taking the medications. I have never heard a success story with anti-depressants - its not medicine. Mushrooms at low doses have much more potential for alleviating symptoms, as well as allowing the person to find the root cause of the depression. The root of the depression is not mentioned a lot of the time, the anti-depressants only mask symptoms and exacerbate the problems instead of treating the root of the depression.

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Most of the time, depression is a symptom of some past trauma.

Psychedelics are indispensable when combined with therapy. Saskatchewan had many psychiatric trials in the mid 20th century with astounding results in prisons, institutions and for treatment of alcoholism.  Then of course made illegal...


Granted there can be neurotransmitter imbalances driving the problems.


Pharma wants u on drugs for your lifetime




I agree, most of the time the depression stems from a childhood ordeal. I have had many close family members suffer with depression, some of them very severe. The trials you speak of have happened many times in different places with great success, and eventually are shut down - the real crime is found with the fuckers that shut them down. The neurotransmitter imbalance is a good point as well, sometimes the depression goes deep, although this is a very small percentage of people that call themselves depressed.

Big pharma is pure greed, aka evil. If the prescription drugs they sold allowed you to discover the root of your depression, overcome the sadness and pain, then they wouldn't have you coming back to refill your script now would they?


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    #23373858 - 06/23/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

For me it's all time and place, I can have lvl 8 trip off 2g in a good place.  On the other end I've eaten 8th's and it was weak because of where I was our the people I was around.

Letting go mentally plays a big factor for personally.

Everybody's body chemistry and mental state is different and that will largely affect how you "trip"

I think microdosing could work well for anyone of the time and place are right.


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    #23373974 - 06/23/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

lol ive tripped around family and others that had no idea i was tripping SO many times now that i dont even care. granted my mother used to ALWAYS bring me a bowl of fruits on the days id be tripping out.. so i have a good feeling a majority of them DID know haha. just never said anything i suppose.

regardless, bar police officers or law enforcement of any kind, and im completely comfortable being off my rocker in front of or with others who arent on my level. i will admit it CAN send a trip sideways if someone starts fucking with you though..


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    #23375269 - 06/23/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: no shit. That's awesome.

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    #23386635 - 06/27/16 05:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hi,

When I say that I didn't feel anything different on them, I mean anything.  I didn't even feel a little bit more positive, nothing changed at all.  I was hoping for at least something.

I think I'm just going to try and grow them again and eat them fresh next time. 

Just out of interest, what is the best way of drying them in future?


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    #23386655 - 06/27/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The people that have to take an eighth, I just feel sorry for them




Nobody "has" to eat an eigth lol :wink:

I at a quarter once, just to see what was up....once :crazy2:




I do.. A gram does almost nothing for me. An eighth is a decent trip, but quite underwhelming.
I don't trip often either, that is just my natural tolerance.




I don't mean to go off topic from the OP but I feel the same as the above quote. My gf can trip her face off on 3.5g but I don't go anywhere near as far as her on the same dose from the same batch of home grown mushies. I never take less than 4g dried anymore...usually it is more than that. I guess I'm more of a mushroom "hardhead" than her for whatever reason.

Then again, I think she just might be more sensitive than the average psychedelic enthusiast...oh well who knows, I'm just glad I have someone who loves to trip as much as I do!

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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: denise1904]
    #23386657 - 06/27/16 05:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Food dehydrator is best but an oven will do good as well in a pinch. With the oven, use the lowest heat setting, leave the door slightly open and if your oven isn't fan assisted, you should point a fan toward it. Dehydrators are superior of course, not needing to be babysitted is great IMO, plus the temps could be set more accurately. Most ovens still have a relatively high lowest setting so you kinda need to be careful not to leave them in there too long.

The actives shouldn't be effected by the temps, even if you dry them for longer than needed but the shrooms do turn black. I imagine over-cooked shrooms would taste even more horrible than normal :lol:

Once dried, best way to store them would be a vacuum sealed bag. Ziplocks work but they still leak air and humidity so you can't leave them in there for a long time. If you are using capsules for ingestion, you could just cap them straight after drying. A tightly packed capsule should preserve the actives sufficiently, even over long periods of time.


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The people that have to take an eighth, I just feel sorry for them




Nobody "has" to eat an eigth lol :wink:

I at a quarter once, just to see what was up....once :crazy2:




I do.. A gram does almost nothing for me. An eighth is a decent trip, but quite underwhelming.
I don't trip often either, that is just my natural tolerance.




I don't mean to go off topic from the OP but I feel the same as the above quote. My gf can trip her face off on 3.5g but I don't go anywhere near as far as her on the same dose from the same batch of home grown mushies. I never take less than 4g dried anymore...usually it is more than that. I guess I'm more of a mushroom "hardhead" than her for whatever reason.

Then again, I think she just might be more sensitive than the average psychedelic enthusiast...oh well who knows, I'm just glad I have someone who loves to trip as much as I do!

:dancer:




some people think im crazy for enjoying 5-7 grams on no tolerance. im not crazy, thats just where my body injests enough psilocibin for the trip that i find most enjoyable. random unplanned day is best for me as well. just let go and have an adventure >;)


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: MycoLoopology] * 1
    #23387546 - 06/27/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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some people think im crazy for enjoying 5-7 grams on no tolerance. im not crazy, thats just where my body injests enough psilocibin for the trip that i find most enjoyable. random unplanned day is best for me as well. just let go and have an adventure >;)




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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23592408 - 08/30/16 04:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hi,

Sorry for the delay in replying.

Maybe I'm not weighing them properly.  I tried eating 1g of fresh mushrooms and still felt nothing the other day.  I weighed the bit of mushroom on my weighing scale and it was about a thumb nail of mushroom.

Maybe there is a problem with my scales.  Can you tell me what a gramme of mushrooms is in terms of size?

Also, excuse my ignorance but what exactly is an eighth?



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    #23592499 - 08/30/16 06:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

1 gram fresh is like nothing. I personally would eat 35-60 grams fresh. You should be eating at least 20 fresh to have a good experience.

If dry you should eat at least 2 grams. I would  do 3.5-6 grams dry myself.


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    #23592583 - 08/30/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

1g fresh will dry down to less than .1g dry. Of course you felt nothing, that's an extremely low micro dose. Do what pasty said, eat lots more.


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    #23592603 - 08/30/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My first experience with freshies wasn't too bad I ate 27 grams though......I do know that I like the taste of them wet better than when they're dehydrated..... I ended up at some place with a rug like the carpet from fear and loating in las vegas.....set there watching the pattern stretch and breath for a good 30 minutes


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    #23592651 - 08/30/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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    #23592660 - 08/30/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Also, excuse my ignorance but what exactly is an eighth?





eighth as in eighth of an ounce.

Here is a resource focused on cannabis, but the math works for educational purposes.

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    #23593019 - 08/30/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I always fast for at least 12 hours prior, mostly I will go 16.  I only trip at night after sundown, and I always go alone.  4 or 5 grams send me spiraling randomly around the galaxy.

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    #23593834 - 08/30/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

With respect to all posters here, I think there is a misunderstanding of what the OP is trying to achieve.

OP is trying to microdose - that is anywhere from 0.1 to 0.5g of dry shrooms or more.  Fresh shrooms are supposed to be 90% water so multiply by ten to dose fresh.  It is not meant to make you hallucinate or in any way feel trippy.  I have limited experience with microdosing - I'm a complete newbie following PF tek to experiment with microdosing myself.

With that said, it is difficult for any of us to know what was 'wrong' with your experience.  If you are unsure of the spores you were sent, the usual thing to do would be photo some of the mushrooms and get help identifying them to make sure they're active.  But if you've dried and bagged them for 6 months they might not be identifiable.  Perhaps if you still have any of the spores and a microscope, it might be possible to identify them (anyone confirm that?)

I only microdosed once but if it helps you understand how you should feel i'll briefly describe it:
- usual feelings of irritability melting into the background
- same for tenseness
- worries and sadness were not in my mind
- not concerned with how others perceiving me
- interested in things that i used to enjoy pre-depression rather than underwhelmed or bored by them (e.g. i suddenly became really excited about taking apart my broken shaver to figure out how to fix it, things i used to do before i was depressed)
- no compulsion whatsoever to use marijuana (something i've also used for relaxation, sleep and appetite whilst depressed and suffering digestive diseases)
-- but none of it felt unusual or different, it just felt like i could truly relax, it was like having a nice, average day in my pre-depression state

It's tough to gauge this because the dose is so subtle, but you shouldn't essentially "feel" anything and if you were feeling uplifted and good anyway you may not have noticed anything.  If i wasn't so introspective and analytical, or spent so much time wrestling with my depression, i may not have noticed the difference straight away.  Many prescribed medicines take several weeks to kick in, doctors won't gauge whether a medication is working based on one day using it.

If you're on SSRI's that can change the effect, but if you stop SSRI's make sure you do it correctly - with many anti depressants we have to be weened off them.

Best of luck hope i helped.  Whilst people here may or may not know much about depression or microdosing, what they do know is mushroom facts.  So for example they can clear up whether or not your storage allowed the potency to drop significantly, or whether a mushroom is the type you think it is, etc. if you're clear and ask the right questions!


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Inocuole]
    #23593867 - 08/30/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Also, excuse my ignorance but what exactly is an eighth?





Are you SURE you belong on a drug forum?




I first learned what an eight was in high school.

miss denise... I do not mean to be a dick but it almost sounds
like you are either not educated on the matter or not ready for it.
I too deal with issues and DMT(what the brain converts mushie goodness into) is a great tool. HOWEVER just like anything else the more you
read and know about what is going on/what YOU are doing the better
off you will be.

also... shouldnt this be in the psych/xp forum????


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    #23596628 - 08/31/16 07:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, it should.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Inocuole]
    #23596670 - 08/31/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Damn drug fiends be trolling. Play nice inoc or Ima whip you.

@terrytate; 0.1g dry would be a microdose if you weighed like 20kg. I need 0.5g of PE for a microdose.


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    #23596704 - 08/31/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Damn drug fiends be trolling. Play nice inoc or Ima whip you.

@terrytate; 0.1g dry would be a microdose if you weighed like 20kg. I need 0.5g of PE for a microdose.




I take your point - but all anyone can do is given an approximate range.  This person is both new to psychadelics and has certain depression or anxiety related mental illnesses.  I figured it was better to be cautious when advising someone in that kind of situation.  I have similar issues, I know how fine the balance can be sometimes, i wouldn't want my advice to scare someone off the medicine.

There's no accounting for someone's constitution though - you're right, some people may take a lot more, i've added "and upwards" so it's more accurate.  I do think the range i highlight is audience appropriate though.


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    #23596732 - 08/31/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't go below 0.4-5g dry with a regular cube, even if it's a first attempt at microdosing. I'm not someone with an incredibly high resistance or tolerance to mushrooms but still, the doses we are talking about are pretty low. I ingest 2-3 capsules with 0.3-5g each with a weaker cube for a microdose. A single tightly stuffed capsule with PE is perfect for microdosing IME.


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    #23596785 - 08/31/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I wouldn't go below 0.4-5g dry with a regular cube, even if it's a first attempt at microdosing. I'm not someone with an incredibly high resistance or tolerance to mushrooms but still, the doses we are talking about are pretty low. I ingest 2-3 capsules with 0.3-5g each with a weaker cube for a microdose. A single tightly stuffed capsule with PE is perfect for microdosing IME.




I'm thinking you don't understand microdosing.  You're not.. even really supposed to feel anything.  If you're eating over half a gram of anything, that's not a microdose anymore.  That's a light dose at that point, enough to make some people trip.  If a gram of PE makes me trip, then a half gram will make me half-trip, which is pretty uncomfortable comparatively.

That goes for OP too really.  If microdosing isn't doing anything for you, then it could simply be that consuming tiny amounts of psychedelic drugs isn't for everyone.  That or you aren't self-aware enough to notice the tiny differences that you'd feel from 0.1-0.2 grams.  I'd think it more likely to work if you actually get a big dose in so you know how strong they are first though.


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Re: Didn't feel anything [Re: Inocuole]
    #23596805 - 08/31/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have to disagree with that. Microdosing for me is far from a trip, if I didn't know what it was and you just told me to swallow it, I wouldn't even figure out it was mushrooms. There are no visuals or any kind of tripping feeling, you do feel something different though. Everything seems less boring somehow. I like microdoses for work mostly, for that reason.


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    #23596812 - 08/31/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well if .5 of PE is a microdose for you I'd hate to think of how much you have to take for an actual dose...


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    #23596821 - 08/31/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not any insane amount, as I said, my resistance to mushrooms is average if I had to guess. Maybe slightly above average compared to the folks I tripped with.

I always start with 2g's when I trip and then take more over time. I can't handle a shitload of shrooms down the hatch at the same time, there's a strong possibility that they come back up.

Have you ever tried 0.5g of PE anyway? I mean, they are strong.... but not that strong.


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    #23596828 - 08/31/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I usually don't even need 1.5g of the good PE and APE.  Regular cubes I'm sure I could just eat 4 grams to start with and it'd be ehh okay.  I haven't eaten any of those in a while now though..


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    #23596845 - 08/31/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Seriously? But for a mild trip you mean? Last time I ate enough PE for a strong trip I took somewhere around 5-6g in all, in about a 2hr window or so. It was pretty intense but not too strong where you can't even have a conversation or anything. With Martinique I have to take double that amount but that one is pretty damn weak.

You either have some crazy potent PE clone or you have the resistance of a cat :rofl:


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    #23596858 - 08/31/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A little of both probably.  I can definitely get further than some others on the same dose.  My PE and APE are both pretty stellar though too.


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    #23596903 - 08/31/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i think a lot of it has to also do with body weight and % body fat.

I am a tall fat dude, and it always takes me more compared to smaller guys or chicks.

A good friend, regular tripping partner is probably 40lbs lighter than I am, but an inch taller, he is just lean.  I will brew up a tea, I'll drink 60% he'll have 40% and he will still trip harder than me.


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    #23597049 - 08/31/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

haze, it sounds like your PE isn't super potent like some others.

I microdose around .3g of creeper every few days. I feel almost like a twinge of excitement, and my pupils dialate. But otherwise, I'm not trippin'. I think that's the whole point of the microdose.

I accidentally micro'd around .6g when I was dosing consistently, and found I was starting to have some issues finishing sentences and stuff :tongue:

Maybe my shrooms were just a bit stronger. Who even knows? Until we have more quantifiable methods of standardizing potency levels, it's all mostly hearsay.

But I feel a microdose should be just barely felt if at all.


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    #23597151 - 08/31/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have given people 1/4 gram doses of APE that they said was just right. A 2 gram dose of my best APE makes most average people shit themselves. Literally they need new pants.


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    #23597165 - 08/31/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's why I was so confused. I remember FrankHorrigan saying he was trying to microdose with PE… doesn't seem to work as well :lol:

I definitely feel .5g of PE. Maybe a lvl 1 or so, but it's totally there.


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    #23597949 - 08/31/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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A 2 gram dose of my best APE makes most average people shit themselves. Literally they need new pants.



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