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Problem of Evil within the root of existance.
    #23368989 - 06/22/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hey.

Have any of you ever tried to combat the problems of world in peaceful manner while respecting all the best examples of omniscience? You might have noticed that most frequently the problem of Evil lies within lack of knowledge.
What if you have found a sacred channel of knowledge and proven to yourself that disharmony caused by people doing things just to do them is the reason why we get violent,stresfull and so on..
Let's see an example. Many people say God damn it or curse the Devil when they experience trouble in Life. I used to dive deep in Universe to find out what is this Devil. What I found was a crushed soul of ancient times being called to us still even nowadays. What nobody really seems to pay attention is that we 'charge' this word - Devil with our negativity ourselves. We found a perfect scapegoat for our own wrongs and blame ancient forces. Same goes with God word. So many religions get corrupt when people start to blame/praise something mystical and Energy builds up somewhere.

Another topic is - human as evolution's last step. Humans often believe in illusion called love and justify the fact that they eat animals, plants which are not less alive, just different Life forms. You chop off a tree, you killed a whole family of it, if you see that tree is different animal, each year it forms a new branch with leaves that are members of this sub-tree (branch). In hundreds of years this tree is a lot like a seperate world.
Can you justify stepping on the grass by saying it is a purpose for it - to grow for us.

Let's move forward and imagine ourselves in position where we stopped eating etc. We stay on top of mountain, on rocks. Can you notice how our rapid movements make the rocks erode. Close it up. You will see small particles being crushed. Are you sure that a molecule, electron cannot feel the pain on it's own vibrational field? Ever since physical universe started to expand it has been energetical fight.

Let's move one more step forward. AI. Seeing how accelerated evolution is something unbelievable, can science evolve so far that AI can sustain without human overlord and feel the purpose of the whole - of eternal Nature to be saved. Maybe we deserve to be put in one line with pigs, chickens that we kill everyday and grow them in isolated and horrible enviroment?

Do me a favour and observe your numbness when you eat that pork. Or when you slice tomato full of seeds that will never get a chance to live. Children of tomato. All dead.
Everything is consciousness. Everything has consciousness. I wish you a meaningful trip next time to become a mushroom. Luckily it's force is in soil. Less painful to sacrifice compared to cannabis. Seedless? No, sterilized and castrated. Human is stupid. Bye. (Posting from phone is painful. Wanna discuss this topic, we could Skype).


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23369384 - 06/22/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

For one who has experienced Cousciousness trip of Cinnsciousnessless/Formless energy that (speculative imagination) was on a verge of admitting it's own existance, seemingly spending Eternity in a spaceless/timeless state it might be easier to see Universe from point of Energy that is transformed all the time. Smashing door as act of violence. Corners making energy reflect in strange ways. Mirrors. Triangles. Wind. Brain as organic part of perceiving counsciousness. If a word seperated by letters might seem like random pattern of audible spectrum vibrations, then words and evolving language is already somewhat researchable case. We might notice that two differently constructed words have the same meaning, yet one word feels better, but other one is being left to forget it. Lucky combination of letters?
Maybe the word mayhaps changed to perhaps due to reason that it advertised 'may happen' very strongly?
If we strip away audible language from our brain and use both neurons of brain and body to sense World without language, do we become very ESP? (I was born into the world of pain and heartache, isolation was the Key to unlocking my Soul, now the story will be told) /Chimaira/

Genetics and Maggot Brain.

It might appear to one that brain (no offence to body opposed to head) is like physical reflection to Universe filled with experiences of human form. Say any word loud and try to follow my idea. Word is vibrations received by ear. It calls your memory for associations and your base of knowledge. Now if you strip away your ego for a while and learn to feel the void, you could use to collective unconsciousness to reach roots of the word. I wonder why is it so that a baby hears a word God for the first time and is already somehow affected by it. And history doesn't have much good about it.

The way I like to interpret God is by attacking your mind and telling: "Only real cool God I know is the one that was looking at Nietsze while he said - God is dead.. and smiled saying to himself - finally they will start to use their own potential and won't harm themselves thinking I can do all for them. Logica obtinet.

Then there is a question of experiencing self-Consciousness of Universe. Seeing how many we are in it, no doubt it cannot be learnt as individual containing all yet talking to us directly as One.

Maybe will continue later..gtg...


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23375278 - 06/23/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i get you,

but, bare in mind, humans propogated the chickens for slaughter, ruined the genetics of the tomato, etc etc:

we as humans have created a influx, of things that the earth could not sustain.

think if you planted each and every tomato seed ? > all the nutrients they would draw from the earth.

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need to think of a solution, no?, not just point out the problems  ?

attempt to re-structure tomatoes etc / stop slaughter of chickens etc = death for humans, relying on those things as food sources.

you can't just take away, what is now set in stone, that would probably ruin more things, then solve....

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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: stupididiot]
    #23376772 - 06/24/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Of course you are right as well. What I meant though was - respect all that there is and try to reasonably feel for all. If you eat a tomato - try to have a sense of empathy towards it. Soon it will start to make you suffer for all of what we eat and eventually you realize that half ov what you eat could be cut off, because often we use food as kind of antidepresant (like feasting with flesh). Eating less is also good for oneself, therefore we all are winners.

Not to mention that respect towards Nature rewards you in ways too. The more you try - the more opportunities you are given.

I cannot take away anyone elses food. But I try to take it away from myself. To do things more friendly to environment. So all should be fine.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23377491 - 06/24/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

but how do you/we get more people to do the same as you ?

would it not be better, to feast on chicken, grow strong(er then you need), and set about trying to change people etc ?, would it be OK to try to "manipulate" people to your way etc as an example,

do things "the bad way", but with good intent ?

this is what i don't understand.

i totally agree, everyone should take only what they need, look after themselves and not pass problems onto other people, work on them theirself, help the right people in need, then there would not be too much problems i don't think (???)

but reality is different, need to think how to propogate the mentaily when people reject it at all costs ?.

...i eat chicken though, seeds go into compost < i figured, a little bit of life is better then no life at all (dunno if that is correct though, dunno how to figure things like that out > ?)


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23377541 - 06/24/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

some people view God as energy (I feel it's more than that because I do believe Jesus existed and other religions acknowledge this also.  Jesus was God in living flesh).  but the view point is similiar in that God is everywhere and in all things.


And I agree about plants being alive.  thats why they have defense systems to sustain their own life (nettles, thorns, etc).  I also believe they communicate.  take my madrone tree for example, when i first brought it home it thrived in the area i put it.  I moved it after a few weeks to the other side of the house I thought it would enjoy more but it was kind of alone but it did have some company.  It didnt thrive at all and started to droop and wilt and looked sad.

I brought it over to where it originally was and within a few hours it was perky again.  I didnt water it or do anything different at all.  I was pretty shocked at the huge difference.  So i determined it made friends and despite the other place being a better environment physically it preferred being near its plant buddies.  :shrug:


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: sprinkles]
    #23377670 - 06/24/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i am not trying to be mean etc,

but even science says, and they are plants are very much alive ???

you can research botany, mycelium, root networks, also each plant has it's own genetic requirements to thrive in an environment.

i don't believe you should worship "false gods", i believe there is a universal "one" (that may have many many component linked parts), but i believe that is much much "higher" energy / conciousness, then any notions of traditional religion.

also i don't like how seemingly some religions have more amicable ways then others, if there WAS a genuine religion, then i do not understand, why it would not be open to change / intergrating new and positive ways into the religion > religion is not open to "growing", i don't think, therefor cannot be the right way ?

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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: stupididiot]
    #23377843 - 06/24/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

There are a few problems with evil...

Animals need to kill each other to eat..bugs insects, and the like dont have pain sensory organs..so they can be like a full feed of dinner for say like an Ant Eater..for example..and lions have to eat the Wildebeast..

Humans too, have to kill animals to survive as carnivores..and Omnivores

Also..there is a positional sexual arrangement that seduces the male body to take control of the female body..and there fore extracts pleasure from the female..in rape and other sexual criminally dominant postures..

So the problem with evil..usually comes down to the pleasure principle..

Luckily as we humans..we can monitor the amount of pain we can take and then socialize and then take group therapy to understand the merits of our sexual adventures..


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #23380903 - 06/25/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

you can't say

"humans HAVE to kill > ...to survive as carnivores" etc,

because humans do not need to eat meat, scientifically. (fullstop)

that's introducing speculation, to an equation that isn't even there ?.

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animals survive in an ecosystem, humans can manipulate their physical environment, have more control of the system > i.e CAN CHANGE THINGS.

predators brains are "hardwired" for the hunt, being a predator, you eat AND then rest until you are hungry again, conserving energy in the mean > animals are not "evil" they do it for sustinence (...or else they would spend all their "free time" going around mullering other animals... (and planet earth would have died long ago)

don't know why you are talking about rape etc, a rapist still has the choice < (being human) but acts on impulses.

also, "really nice" people do caustic things all the time by accident (subconciously)

you can only judge an act, with hindsight, this is the problem i think,

egotism / knowlege of cause/effect (think they are intertwined)

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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: stupididiot]
    #23381009 - 06/25/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

All of you are right here. I sin too, and smoke tobacco that I seem to hear as voices and feel in my head and body. The closer I feel to it, the less I smoke it.
It seems to be easier when you are alone, once you try to be with society, it tends to break you, their aura overtakes me and all of a sudden I can be more ignorant and I step over my own principles.

To guy with compost and seeds - exactly. I do it like that as well. Always trying to do at least something to help.

I kind of agree on God as that highest energy where we are able to be with it on similar level (not with cold mind and following rules made by humans in religious texts).
In the meantime I have a puzzling question to God - does God knows Creator? Or is God simply what happened when first life forms tried to find one?
Is Universe all together assembling this everlasting Energy we might call God? If there are suiciders in this Life that chose better to die..did we fail or the God failed?

If we believe that stones have their own energetical level with stone frequency, a mass of atoms being energetically always the same stone form, could we say aliens are real, they just have slow body, and maybe if we look at stars at night we reach lonely stones from far away. Years later moonwalkers appear, stoned aliens are seen and we talk about stars determining our Fate.

If we are all the stardust, I wonder where sufficient amount of Energy was stored for Universe to expand. I tend to imagine that there was something out there, maybe not at all formed, just something..that experienced critical point. Like..once upon the time there was nothing. Nothing waited patiently for something to happen. Nothing ever happened. Nothing waited for eternity..Until, infinity times later (time probably couldnt be used to describe pre-Universe era) it got a glimpse of awareness, that is - out of nothing something happened..just because Nothing lasted forever and got real.

My words are quite not working to describe what I feel. Trying to find out how could ever something exist eternally.

Sorry for inconsistent offtopic.
Idea is - there are no rules, all is just a coincidence. Evolution. We eat. Only because we are physical. Once again a question - was physical and metaphysical Life "created' both as one or seperated? Is afterlife somewhat living without physical body and finding peace in Life's conundrum - Life appeared out of nothing, it must be simply an illusion then. Or maybe we all are like demons trying to infect living ones and staying with them. Looking for a host, those who are between both worlds. As energy doesn't tend to simply disappear,it is clear that something would happen if Universe would start to collapse. All of the Energy should go somewhere.
Imagination tells that this something maybe is non-physical realm where nothing is real or constant. What if we are somehow connected yet seperated? I really should find some drugs to seek the answers. Today was my birthday so don't shame me. I have so many things to write, so I cannot make sense in so very few sentences.
Thanks for understanding me. Don't change planet. Change yourself, it will change all. Being nice is contagious. (Unfrtunately opposite is also true). Peace out.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23381720 - 06/25/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i think waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back, when religion was being formed, the intent was genuine, and they described the "power" [of the universe] as "god" > as a metaphor for people (who didn't understand) (like we still don't today), this is why there are metaphors for "giants" etc >

we can not understand other dimensions / frequencies (and the vast populus back then were no way close, so the learned (philosophers) created a "methaphor" (giant etc) to express GREAT "physical" "power" / "stregnth" / ferocity, what not > (thus understandable by humans tied to physical realms > you can understand a giant (being humanoid, but more powerful), but not something you can't see or feel.

but then there was violence between religious sects, and the message got lost / people worked out could be used for social control, and that continued to what we have today.

i don't neccesarily see suicide as a bad thing, also i don't understand why religions are generally homophobic ? (unless way back, bad people wanted to raise population ?? or something), this is why i am suspicious of religion.

why would you exclude a person, for going to bed with another of the same sex ? > it's not like you have to sleep with them ???,

i don't know anything of cosmic intelligence etc ALTHOUGH (on theme) whilst in education, i met a man with multiple-personality disorder (i think he was diagnosed with 7 (> just imagine the psychoactivity going on!), anyway, he "loved trees" and it was strange, he was obviously waspicking up SOMETHING, drawing him to them, he was very intelligent, but somewhat shunned for having "mental illness".

i don't think rocks have life, i think they are a different sort of matter (like furniture etc), but even within the rock, there are sooo many microorganisms etc > that you would imaginine they would "emit" something collectively, but i don't think it is the rock, but the life it sustains.

enjoying reading your posts though, sorry for typing too much in your thread if so,

and happy birthday!!!

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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: stupididiot]
    #23382735 - 06/26/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks a lot. Actually I am happy for your inputs. I have almost any personality disorder. Just havent experienced split brain much, which is quite interesting phenomena, also giving some information on brain-as-part-of-body.
Peace now, will write something in evening.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23411815 - 07/04/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

it has been a long evening,

hope you are well.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: stupididiot]
    #23415851 - 07/06/16 02:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Heyo.

Been a while. Harvested some mushies. Turns out they a lot better with dying. Mycelium from spores already has a knowledge of Life,so mushrooms have more clarity about being thieved.

Last night I had interesting trip (I have trip 24/7, only this time I was not sober).

After gaining idea of Oneness being constant state in ancient times when all was alive in perfect sinchronity and suffering was not possible due to purpose of the Whole to be one great 'mechanism' experiencing itself I got in conection with first humanlike forms having single brain, which had no Free Will in a way we do - all was tied with Universe so they didn't have thinking as we do,the Mind was working in connection with Whole. They lived and did things in flow that was simple - like you would be in a trance.
After I while I received information that first one with two brains was simply struck by Lightning. Then all changed - Universe was no longer observed as One, but it was observing itself with human(animal) body and started to figure out all what could be THOUGHT. So thinking was what manifested later in the Universe as metaphysical knowledge. The Energy was corrupt due to free thinking in other brain and all went to shit. All of first two brainers had possibility to have a free will on their own (like cats have their coupling time in one time of the year due to having common CatUniverse,yet human does not obey any Natures(Mother Earth's rules)).

Then Oneness was lost...sadly...

Self-awareness started to expand. Human figured out many things and they got divided in a special way. Atoms were observed with thinking and voila - they started to think in a way too.

I don't know how to explain all I experienced last night,yet mushrooms and Oneness claimed that mushrooms has a way to understand the ancient energy from onebrainers and their Way of Life (different instincts they had) and twobrainers as us. In middle of it all there is collective unconsciousness which can be found as all of the Energy of beings that ever existed plus all of imagination and lies inbetween, because all we ever think/say manifests in energy that is everlasting in a way (just like memory can be experienced again and again). Onebrainers didn't have that issue, because (NB:this idea I havent researched) they didnt have moral required - they were killing each other yet they didn't suffer much because of someone dead. In a way it was close to perfect Oneness, because they had experience of NOW all the time, we think so.
With brain split and having lost that ability due to "new brain" introduced they had a lot more extrasensory perception and they felt new things in them. Everything went autonome. Universe started to experience itself as two. Due to mirror inbetween whole Life was chaos. The awareness of Now for the Whole was not connected anymore to human, it could only sense what we were feeling and morals were up to us. Therefore we believe in God or whatever the fuck, yet we feel good when doing sin. Technically rape is good now for rapists, cause they feel good. Therefore nobody gives a shit. But I do, so I am doing all that is possible, as in theory it is possible to unite all again, except Universe has lost sense of what is right/wrong.

There are a lot more theories I have figured out partly, I just cannot fully explain them, yet they all work together as viable truth about Life.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23415910 - 07/06/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You might have noticed that most frequently the problem of Evil lies within lack of knowledge.




What I have seen is that evil comes with the Presence of Knowledge. Not that evil is a part of Knowledge, but that it is attracted to Knowledge -- in order to try to destroy it.

Knowledge exposes evil. Evil doesn't want people to think that it's evil. Therefore, it tries to destroy Knowledge.

"And this is the sentence of condemnation, that the Light has entered the world and yet people have preferred darkness to Light. It is because their actions have been evil; for anyone whose practices are corrupt loathes the Light and will not come out into Them, in case their actions are exposed, whereas anyone whose life is true comes out into the Light, to make it plain that their actons have been divinely prompted. " – St. John 3,19


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23416735 - 07/06/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

In my humble opinion it means that presence of knowledge is evil when you try to apply it for praxis, that is - trying to prove absolute truth and then coming to logical result - the more details you know - the more unknown there is. Problem is when you start to see/observe/fight evil. The less you know about it, the more you see of it. And more you fear from unknown. So theoretically - it is good to know Evil's ways, to confront it. Once you do, you start to notice that most of Evil is because of mistakes made somewhere beforehand. After writing this I finally understood what you said and I agree, it is truth. Could say it is not good to think forward to find out new knowledge, but let's learn the past, so we could understand the mistakes we have made. Recycle the knowledge. Learn to think, don't learn facts.


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    #23417370 - 07/06/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

it doesnt matter what sea of knowledge you swim in, all bodies of water can drown you. In order to embrace God we must rid ourselves of egos and sin. Sin, is not opinion, but infact, the aspects of greed, pride, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth. when we have an opinion, we deny ourselves opportunity, and we experience fear of the opposite outcome. There is no such thing as evil, or right, or wrong, or love, or hate. These all coincide with fear. Love is the fear of loss, hate, is the fear of what happens when we confront a matter, and evil is what we fear. We only fear whst we do not understand, and in this world of distractions, very few people choose to understand, but instead accept the fear is comforting, as if they are in a boat in the ocean as compared to the fearless, swimming in the middle of the ocean. this can only be overcome by ridding ourselves of the egos, which must be achieved through self reliance. when we accept that we are alone in the universe, and that we need nobody but ourselves and God, we can embrace our true self. An ego can only manifest itself in other people- we've been programmed to live in a polite society and every encounter devours us to morph ourselves like a puzzle piece to fit a different puzzle, when it simply isnt possible. All display of emotion is fake, every human acts out of selfishness, even when benefiting othersc is for self fulfillment- buttering ourselves up, and this notion has fallen under judgement that selfish people are of no use, which is hypocritical. many enlightened people have had their consciousness swayed by television or by other people's confidence in their opinions, such as what is presented as "news" on CNN. This can be overcome by imagining that we are the only person on earth, and that we are free to do as we please, without limits, and accepting that people really didnt mean anything to us that whole time- we we're looking for ourselves within other people. television lowers our frequency as well as music, and any other form of entertainment, and as our frequency lowers, our empathy increases, and brings us to believe that we depend on each other. The illuminati is dividing us, only to one day unify us into a herd equivalent to that of sheep. The declarations of independence enforces the idea that someone else has control over you- that you arent free to pick your own rights. There is much deception in the world, and all we truly desire is to watch the grass grow. Peace be with you all


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23419176 - 07/07/16 04:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You might have noticed that most frequently the problem of Evil lies within lack of knowledge.




What I have seen is that evil comes with the Presence of Knowledge. Not that evil is a part of Knowledge, but that it is attracted to Knowledge -- in order to try to destroy it.

Knowledge exposes evil. Evil doesn't want people to think that it's evil. Therefore, it tries to destroy Knowledge.

"And this is the sentence of condemnation, that the Light has entered the world and yet people have preferred darkness to Light. It is because their actions have been evil; for anyone whose practices are corrupt loathes the Light and will not come out into Them, in case their actions are exposed, whereas anyone whose life is true comes out into the Light, to make it plain that their actons have been divinely prompted. " – St. John 3,19




I agree with this.

Whilst a person can relish in heights the 'light', it usually isn't without periodic instances where it is met with an equal and opposing, potent force of evil which can be quite overbearing.

Dark seemingly climbs with light on the fringe.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23436603 - 07/13/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

With context removed there's no such thing as evil. That suggests that evil only lives in the mind and is therefore only a point of view.
Who's to judge?


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: stupididiot]
    #23436769 - 07/13/16 01:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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you can't say

"humans HAVE to kill > ...to survive as carnivores" etc,

because humans do not need to eat meat, scientifically. (fullstop)

that's introducing speculation, to an equation that isn't even there ?.

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animals survive in an ecosystem, humans can manipulate their physical environment, have more control of the system > i.e CAN CHANGE THINGS.

predators brains are "hardwired" for the hunt, being a predator, you eat AND then rest until you are hungry again, conserving energy in the mean > animals are not "evil" they do it for sustinence (...or else they would spend all their "free time" going around mullering other animals... (and planet earth would have died long ago)

don't know why you are talking about rape etc, a rapist still has the choice < (being human) but acts on impulses.

also, "really nice" people do caustic things all the time by accident (subconciously)

you can only judge an act, with hindsight, this is the problem i think,

egotism / knowlege of cause/effect (think they are intertwined)

imho




Wow, wrong on all counts.

Humans can eat meat, they are omnivores. They evolved to do both. They can't subsist on planets alone because they lack the four stomachs herbivores have.

Everything in this world does so that something else may live. It's called nature. Competition, surivival of the fittest, call it what you want. We just do it better.

But there is no such thing as evil. There are just actions people judge to be that way.


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    #23436981 - 07/13/16 05:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

me. I judge evil........you kiddin me? You telling me you don't know evil? That your lost in moral relativism. Look, if I had a little child who I loved and some evil person raped the child, that person IS evil. If that is meant by an extreme state of selfishness

IE when I say evil I am not meaning the same as the biblical meaning of some wholly opposed force to 'good' personified as the Devil or Satan, and the idea of everlasting hell and eternal heaven. But the meaning OF evil is same for all. NO one would not see that being done to their child as good. We use terms don't we to describe things. 'Evil' is a term we will use for really truly awful things like raping a little child


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    #23437040 - 07/13/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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With context removed there's no such thing as evil. That suggests that evil only lives in the mind and is therefore only a point of view.
Who's to judge?




The heart judges and it surely knows evil from good.  :smile:


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    #23437576 - 07/13/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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With context removed there's no such thing as evil. That suggests that evil only lives in the mind and is therefore only a point of view.
Who's to judge?




The heart judges and it surely knows evil from good.  :smile:




It actually doesn't. History has shown that to be the case.


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    #23439746 - 07/14/16 01:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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With context removed there's no such thing as evil. That suggests that evil only lives in the mind and is therefore only a point of view.
Who's to judge?


Evil is a word that is defined by the Bible. Or, more clearly, is defined by God.

St. Paul wrote: "Put God's armour on so as to be able to resist the devil's tactics. For it is not against human enemies that we have to struggle, but against the Sovereignties and the Powers who originate the darkness in this world, the spiritual army of evil in the heavens." -- Ephesians, 6,11

Entheogens are the Light. Entheogens are God, (the Creator). The devil tries to extinguish the Light.

"a Light that shines in the dark,

a Light that darkness could not overpower"
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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23439959 - 07/14/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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St. Paul wrote: "Put God's armour on so as to be able to resist the devil's tactics.




When you put armour on, like when you tense up and become hard, inflexible, resistant, unmoved, is the eiptome of the 'heroic ego' who sees more and more of the natural world, including the very natural world itself AS evil. And that toxic myth leaking out unconsiously into the secular world is what is CAUSING the evil we see.

What do their militarized cops wear who protect their evil world? is that armour or is that armour??



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    #23442705 - 07/15/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There's God's armor and there's worldly armor.

  223. Let a person overcome anger by love, let them overcome evil by good; let them overcome the greedy by liberality, the liar by truth!

  224. Speak the truth, do not yield to anger; give, if you are asked even if it be a little; by these three steps you will come near the Gods.
- Dhammapada (Buddhist)

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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23442960 - 07/15/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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There's God's armor and there's worldly armor.

  223. Let a person overcome anger by love, let them overcome evil by good; let them overcome the greedy by liberality, the liar by truth!

  224. Speak the truth, do not yield to anger; give, if you are asked even if it be a little; by these three steps you will come near the Gods.
- Dhammapada (Buddhist)

(Note the reference to "the Gods". Many people think that Buddhists have no God, or Gods.)




But the biblical 'God' is a freaking warrior, and warriors wear armour! And he is the creation OF warriors. He is their heroic IMAGE if you would just understand this! So all the contradictory WORDS about 'overcome anger by love' etc are the epitome of hypocrisy when it comes to the biblical 'God'!

"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." (Exodus 15:3)


Moses' Song of Deliverance
…2"The LORD is my strength and song, And He has become my salvation; This is my God, and I will praise Him; My father's God, and I will extol Him. 3"The LORD is a warrior; The LORD is His name. 4"Pharaoh's chariots and his army He has cast into the sea; And the choicest of his officers are drowned in the Red Sea.…
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Romans 13:1-14 ESV
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...

2 Samuel 10:12 Be strong, and let us fight bravely for our people and the cities of our God. The Lord will do what is good in his sight.

1 John 5:4  For everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.

Psalms 18:39 For You have girded me with strength for battle; You have subdued under me those who rose up against me.

Deuteronomy 20:1 “When you go out to battle against your enemies and see horses and chariots and people more numerous than you, do not be afraid of them; for the LORD your God, who brought you up from the land of Egypt, is with you.

Psalm 44:5 Through You we will push back our adversaries; Through Your name we will trample down those who rise up against us.

Psalms 28:7 The LORD is my strength and my shield; My heart trusts in Him, and I am helped; Therefore my heart exults, And with my song I shall thank Him.


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    #23451696 - 07/18/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Christ talked about the farmer who sowed good seeds but in the night the evil one came and sowed weeds. The parable is about the Bible.

The people who originally wrote the scriptures wrote things like :

Thou shalt not kill. - Moses

The lion shall eat straw like any ox. Isaiah

None shall injure, none shall kill, anywhere on My Sacred Hill -- for the land shall be as full of the Knowledge of the Lord as the ocean bed is full of water. - Isaiah

Turn the other cheek. -- Christ


And then the weeds:
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God... Deuteronomy

Obviously complete contradictions.

The Bible has passed down through editors and translators who added and tweisted what the original people wrote.

Jeremiah wrote (8,8): What, you say 'we are wise, we do have God's directions' when lo, your scribes have written them wrong and falsified them. No, the 'wise' shall be discomfitted, dismayed and tricked. They have rejected the Lord's Word, so what wisdom have they?"

When you read any scripture, you have to "separate the wheat from the chaff".

I look at the Bible like an archeological site covered with dust.

"Even as a mirror of gold, covered with dust, when cleaned well shines again in full splendor, when a person has seen the Truth of the Spirit, they are One with Them." -- Svetasvatara Upanishad


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23451880 - 07/18/16 05:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

no, you just stop wasting time reading such contradictory mindfkery after realizing the REASON it IS like that--full of contradictions-- is because its baseline mythic root is solar phallic and thus dualistic!


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    #23453610 - 07/18/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This has been a tactic of the powers of darkness against God (Entheogens) from time immemorial.

For example, take Steven Kessler. The newspapers blared out the front page headline "LSD MURDERER". Then it turned out that he had no LSD and had taken lab alcohol and barbituates.

Did the newspapers then blare out "OUR MISTAKE -- HE HAD NO LSD"?

NO!!! They quietly put it on the back pages.

So people still think this was a murder committed under LSD

Same thing happened with the "Manson" people. Very few people know that the large majority of murders were committed by Tex Watson who was on datura and speed.

Some people don't care about justice. They're perfectly happy to not know that the God that Christ, Buddha, Shiva, Moses, Mohamed etc., worshiped was Entheogens -- or that the things calling for violence in the scriptures were put there by editors and were NOT a part of the original religion.


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    #23453757 - 07/18/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

your name is "endogenous" and you try to create fear about psychedelics on a spirituality subforum on a mushroom cultivation website.... are you fucking ISIS, dude?


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    #23454196 - 07/18/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Many people say God damn it or curse the Devil when they experience trouble in Life. I used to dive deep in Universe to find out what is this Devil. What I found was a crushed soul of ancient times being called to us still even nowadays. What nobody really seems to pay attention is that we 'charge' this word - Devil with our negativity ourselves. We found a perfect scapegoat for our own wrongs and blame ancient forces. Same goes with God word. So many religions get corrupt when people start to blame/praise something mystical and Energy builds up somewhere.





Human experience involves many internal conflicts, and the idea of God and Satan reflect this reality.

The term "temptation" is an excellent example.

We can see temptation as arising within us, or we can view it as an evil spirit plotting to make us suffer.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23454983 - 07/19/16 04:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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This has been a tactic of the powers of darkness against God (Entheogens) from time immemorial.

For example, take Steven Kessler. The newspapers blared out the front page headline "LSD MURDERER". Then it turned out that he had no LSD and had taken lab alcohol and barbituates.

Did the newspapers then blare out "OUR MISTAKE -- HE HAD NO LSD"?

NO!!! They quietly put it on the back pages.

So people still think this was a murder committed under LSD

Same thing happened with the "Manson" people. Very few people know that the large majority of murders were committed by Tex Watson who was on datura and speed.

Some people don't care about justice. They're perfectly happy to not know that the God that Christ, Buddha, Shiva, Moses, Mohamed etc., worshiped was Entheogens -- or that the things calling for violence in the scriptures were put there by editors and were NOT a part of the original religion.




I really agree with the first part of what you say. it is very true that the propagandists will quickly implant the propaganda into the public psyche, but after if and when forced to tell actual truth will stick it away where not many will see it, bottom corner of page 4, back page etc. They did this on 9/11. They straight away had voices from 'experts' narrating a phony narrative of what was happening over images of the towers coming down, etc.

But I don't agree with your second part. It is not so much the characters you mention worshiped 'God' as a psychedelic mushroom, they were personifications of the psychedelic mushroom themselves!

Now here is where you must understand the concept they had of these psychedelic fungi. They believed they miraculously appeared after thunderstorms, because they had no microscopic equipment to reveal how their spores were the seeds. Thus came the idea of them as gods/Gods which came from above!

Inversely came the idea of 'Satan' and 'Lucifer' as leaders of 'fallen angels'. Lucifer by the antagonist belief system to Judeo-Christianity came down to liberate, and tech believers how to become gods, and thus gain technological and occult knowledge so as to have power over others and nature. For the Luciferians the 'God' of the Bible was an evil prison governor who didn't want his creatures Adam and Eve to have any freedom

Now although supposedly antagonistic to each other, yet those two worldviews are at root coming from the same solar phallic roots!

Radically different from that solar phallic myth is the lunar-based mythos of the Great Mother. In this myth there is not dualism between 'above' and 'below', 'spirit' and 'nature'. The very Earth is the body  of the Goddess, so ALL fruits which grow are the fruits of Earth, and not some alien beings which descend into 'matter' to save us. Rather, in the Goddess understanding, nature is sacred, and so eating the psychedelic fruit is the way to go deeper into the mystery in ecstasy. In a celebrational way rather one that tries to commune/'channel' with a transcendental 'God' or to gain power over others via occultist means.

The psychedelic mushrooms were/are the son/lover of the Goddess. Eating them and falling ever deeper in love with nature.


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    #23458257 - 07/20/16 01:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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your name is "endogenous" and you try to create fear about psychedelics on a spirituality subforum on a mushroom cultivation website.... are you fucking ISIS, dude?




Yo, let's chill it on the name calling, the two of you can either speak civilly or the will be reprimanding.


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    #23458321 - 07/20/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It is not so much the characters you mention worshiped 'God' as a psychedelic mushroom, they were personifications of the psychedelic mushroom themselves!



They were the "personification" of the Entheogens because they understood and believed that They (the Entheogens) were and are the Creator. As Saint John said "on those who have accepted Them however, They have conferred the right of being Children of God - that is on those who believe in Their Name - who owe this birth of theirs to God, not to human blood or any impulse of the flesh, or of humans." (St. John, 1, 9)

Soma was the "Creator of the Gods" according to the RgVeda. Soma is still, today, believed to have been a Plant.

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Now here is where you must understand the concept they had of these psychedelic fungi. They believed they miraculously appeared after thunderstorms, because they had no microscopic equipment to reveal how their spores were the seeds. Thus came the idea of them as gods/Gods which came from above!



I think it was clear to them that the Plants didn't come from the sky. They also had Acacia, and Marijuana. In fact, they believed that the sky was the realm of demons.

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Inversely came the idea of 'Satan' and 'Lucifer' as leaders of 'fallen angels'. Lucifer by the antagonist belief system to Judeo-Christianity came down to liberate, and tech believers how to become gods, and thus gain technological and occult knowledge so as to have power over others and nature. For the Luciferians the 'God' of the Bible was an evil prison governor who didn't want his creatures Adam and Eve to have any freedom




Again, the Bible has been edited and twisted through the "dark" ages (in which it is not known that Entheogens are the true God).

Christ refers to Himself as the Serpent. Satan was the "God" who forbade the Tree of Knowledge. If you look at the 1st chapter of Genesis, the True God gives every plant to the people and the humans are formed "in the image of God". Even and Adam were not made in the image of God. They were made to be the slaves of Satan to till the ground. The Tree of Knowledge is Soma. The true God has never forbidden anyone to worship Them.

My understanding is that Lucifer was someone who rebelled against the Knowledge of who God was and is. Actually, Lucifer was supposed to have been the king of Assyria in Isaiah's writings. I would say that Lucifer is the head of the government who makes God (Entheogens) illegal in order to oppress God's people-- such as Pharaoh or Richard Nixon.


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    #23458325 - 07/20/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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your name is "endogenous" and you try to create fear about psychedelics on a spirituality subforum on a mushroom cultivation website.... are you fucking ISIS, dude?




Yo, let's chill it on the name calling, the two of you can either speak civilly or the will be reprimanding.



I would recommend that you read through my posts in this thread. You will not find them to be uncivil and I have never had any conversation with this person.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23458362 - 07/20/16 03:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I hadn't accused you of anything, just a warning not to go there.  Don't engage with him, you're ok.


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No problem. I didn't feel I had any reason to and hadn't planned to respond to his attack.


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It is not so much the characters you mention worshiped 'God' as a psychedelic mushroom, they were personifications of the psychedelic mushroom themselves!



They were the "personification" of the Entheogens because they understood and believed that They (the Entheogens) were and are the Creator. As Saint John said "on those who have accepted Them however, They have conferred the right of being Children of God - that is on those who believe in Their Name - who owe this birth of theirs to God, not to human blood or any impulse of the flesh, or of humans." (St. John, 1, 9)

Soma was the "Creator of the Gods" according to the RgVeda. Soma is still, today, believed to have been a Plant.

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Now here is where you must understand the concept they had of these psychedelic fungi. They believed they miraculously appeared after thunderstorms, because they had no microscopic equipment to reveal how their spores were the seeds. Thus came the idea of them as gods/Gods which came from above!



I think it was clear to them that the Plants didn't come from the sky. They also had Acacia, and Marijuana. In fact, they believed that the sky was the realm of demons.

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Inversely came the idea of 'Satan' and 'Lucifer' as leaders of 'fallen angels'. Lucifer by the antagonist belief system to Judeo-Christianity came down to liberate, and tech believers how to become gods, and thus gain technological and occult knowledge so as to have power over others and nature. For the Luciferians the 'God' of the Bible was an evil prison governor who didn't want his creatures Adam and Eve to have any freedom




Again, the Bible has been edited and twisted through the "dark" ages (in which it is not known that Entheogens are the true God).

Christ refers to Himself as the Serpent. Satan was the "God" who forbade the Tree of Knowledge. If you look at the 1st chapter of Genesis, the True God gives every plant to the people and the humans are formed "in the image of God". Even and Adam were not made in the image of God. They were made to be the slaves of Satan to till the ground. The Tree of Knowledge is Soma. The true God has never forbidden anyone to worship Them.

My understanding is that Lucifer was someone who rebelled against the Knowledge of who God was and is. Actually, Lucifer was supposed to have been the king of Assyria in Isaiah's writings. I would say that Lucifer is the head of the government who makes God (Entheogens) illegal in order to oppress God's people-- such as Pharaoh or Richard Nixon.




No, I am not thinking you understand me. I am trying to dispense with all the elaborated crap of what I call toxic myth, and reveal the core, that the characters set up for gullible people to worship and sacrifice to were really personification of psychedelic fungi! From there all kind of elaborated stories were concocted which within them were cryptic mentions of the psychedelic fungi. Only really for the knowledge of the initiated os said cult.
To me, your still caught up in the myth even though you are aware of the relevance of psychedelics in them

I am also not talking about 'Plants'. Fungi are not 'Plants', they are fungi--a different species from plants. According to Paul Stamets fungi appeared a long time before the appearance of plants:

Most of you may not know that fungi were the first organisms to come to land. They came to land 1.3 billion years ago, and plants followed several hundred million years later.

John Allegro -whose book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross I read many years ago- was first author I heard say how the ancients composed their myths refelcting their ignore-ance concerning how mushrooms progenate via spores, because they could not see the spores they assumed they--especially the psychedelic fungi--magically appeared after thunder and lightening storms, and this also fit in with the solar phallic idea that sperm was superior, and thus their 'God' above's sperm was THE most powerful and came down in the form of storm rain giving birth to these special powerful fungi, also in the Christian myth (though hidden from the majority of believers uninitiated) to be the very 'Son of God' who one eat to become 'one with the Father'

The fact they felt the sky was realm of demons also reflects the awful paranoia such dualistic toxic myths incite in its believers! They demonize nature.

The reason the Bible is all contradictory is because it is coming from dualistic writers influenced themselves by earlier dualistic beliefs they ripped their ideas from such as Zoroastrianism and its belief in 'all-good spirit' and 'all-evil spirit' in conflict with each other. This is why the 'fallen' angel 'Satan' is 'all-evil' and 'God/Lord' is 'all-good' even believed when in later chapters you hear the tyrant baying for peoples blood, sacrifice, telling his followers to stone others to death, and even giving his 'only son' as a blood sacrifice!
The story is all whack BECAUSE of all the none-sense elaboration which obscures the simple reality that:

psychedelic fungi exist and you can eat them and have your own unique spiritual experiences

Lucifer, as understood by the Luciferians so I understand is not to thought of as some literal god, but rather the 'en-light-ening' concept that certain people who are initiated (as they think of themselves) can gain superior occult knowledge and power and technological prowess which affords power over others, deemed inferior, and the whole natural world. So in other words it is the belief in self-worship, and apotheosis--'becoming gods'.

For the God lot, they create an image of their own ego and put it in the sky and enforce others to obey them via this image. Making sure to hide all knowledge, and memory of psychedelic vegetation, only a small elite having access to it.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23458708 - 07/20/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I thought you were saying that entheogens are tools of the devil and not that God IS entheogens

Well yeah, God is everything.

Also, since your name is endogenous which means 'from within' in biology I figured you were some crusader troll account trying to guilt people out about putting drugs in their body instead of just relying on sobriety


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    #23461404 - 07/21/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Guess you didn't really read what I was saying?

Anyway - glad it's straightened out.

But I'm not saying that God is everything. I'm saying that God, the Creator, is Entheogens and nothing else is. But maybe you understood that?


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: zzripz]
    #23461422 - 07/21/16 02:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well -- all I can say is that there's a whole world -- a true, real, and beautiful dimension that you have missed.


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    #23461486 - 07/21/16 02:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We shouldnt reject belief in differences if we are going to have an opinion. Yes, it is no secret that we, the human race, have fell into the world of illusions and confusion, we are going to be miserable trying to make everyone agree with us, but if we are trying to do that then its because we have this idea that if someone isnt with us then they are against us, but we're all on the same side, trying to find truth. We all may claim to have different Gods but worshipment will not bring fulfillment. we all desire the connection between all beings and to be accepting of all things. we will find the truth if we look hard enough, and if we dont then we're going to live a miserable life. We all get what we deserve entirely, theres no reason to add on to what's already eminent


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23461656 - 07/21/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well -- all I can say is that there's a whole world -- a true, real, and beautiful dimension that you have missed.





said he who missed '[...]' :tongue:


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    #23463687 - 07/21/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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. . . we have this idea that if someone isn't with us then they are against us





Our attachment to our viewpoints and opinions is the source of so much misery.

I notice when I hold an opinion strongly (and feel I'm "right"), I feel superior to others.

My opinions feed my ego, but ultimately make me feel disconnected to others.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: zzripz]
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Well -- all I can say is that there's a whole world -- a true, real, and beautiful dimension that you have missed.





said he who missed '[...]' :tongue:



Another problem with your point of view is that it is conjecture.

But the true God, Entheogens, has a Will. They have and do Communicate with people. 

You can hypothesize forever, but once the Creator Speaks -- all your theories are useless.

I am not talking about theories. I am talking about Living Testimony.


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Well -- all I can say is that there's a whole world -- a true, real, and beautiful dimension that you have missed.





said he who missed '[...]' :tongue:



Another problem with your point of view is that it is conjecture.





The only problem with his point of view is literally a point of view that says its a problem - yours


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: JForce]
    #24350649 - 05/26/17 03:25 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Hay. As I see MORE people have seen this thread than been active in Paedophiles thread, I am gonna say goodbye here, maybe someone from Denmark or Pro Agency will not suck China`s or whoever is behind it DICKS.



VeryStrangeMan`s active threads of Sexuality, Last Requiem, Lost Love of Mother´s and such.. Begging for HELP ASAP.

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Denmark, Snowden and pervercy of government. Publical beggar for a KILLER IN MASK for health of your own children. Shroomery.org. 
For about 9 months I have been in active psychosis, trying to mediate and resolve the problem’s all alone with suppressed hundreds of people behind me who are under surveilence themselves and are threatened of more victims killed if they react in my favour. Or they simply do not care and are predators that are hidden behind LINK Christiania Freetown – Mary Jane, FEAST and spiritual search of Cleopatra.


The last one is the reason why they appear everywhere as Army Ghosts, for an example 17 russian Army man trying to steal my Karma and knowledge through sexual joy and torture of my mind offering pictures of dead female bodies they actively try to *LOVE* to learn the vibe.. They even built a pyramid in it, the Freetown.

Today I was walking STROGET, their longest street, while a lady with sunglasses was walking by, Chinese GHOST spoke to me saying *She next one if you do not unlock feast of Cleopatra?* They supposedly killed a victim that once arrived to Norreport to write down something through psychoactive paracommunication, then disappeared forever, such occasions have repeated many times, White Widdow Russian, Typical Snake in Black, ladies targeted to be enslaved in opiate world having torture of Soul, and anything else that would be hurtful enough to satisfy them.

If anyone has enough sense to believe that their love and luxury will be never satisfied, please someone kill him-ME, junkie looking dude, sleeping by Ripley’s Museum, 7/11, at the beginning of STROGET. Otherwise they will never get united. Do no believe in spirit of God either, they have become corrupt and program of FEAR works normaally like 24hours in advance. Hi-TEC ACID COFFINS, in form of people going under torture device known online as Engage The Fear Machine, contributed by LOG.  THANKS. DON´T BE APATHY. You might start a movement that has been stuck with silent threats to kill mother´s with children instead. Can`t you once move? Police? Anyone?


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