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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: JForce]
    #23436981 - 07/13/16 05:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

me. I judge evil........you kiddin me? You telling me you don't know evil? That your lost in moral relativism. Look, if I had a little child who I loved and some evil person raped the child, that person IS evil. If that is meant by an extreme state of selfishness

IE when I say evil I am not meaning the same as the biblical meaning of some wholly opposed force to 'good' personified as the Devil or Satan, and the idea of everlasting hell and eternal heaven. But the meaning OF evil is same for all. NO one would not see that being done to their child as good. We use terms don't we to describe things. 'Evil' is a term we will use for really truly awful things like raping a little child


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: JForce]
    #23437040 - 07/13/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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With context removed there's no such thing as evil. That suggests that evil only lives in the mind and is therefore only a point of view.
Who's to judge?




The heart judges and it surely knows evil from good.  :smile:


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23437576 - 07/13/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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With context removed there's no such thing as evil. That suggests that evil only lives in the mind and is therefore only a point of view.
Who's to judge?




The heart judges and it surely knows evil from good.  :smile:




It actually doesn't. History has shown that to be the case.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: JForce]
    #23439746 - 07/14/16 01:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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With context removed there's no such thing as evil. That suggests that evil only lives in the mind and is therefore only a point of view.
Who's to judge?


Evil is a word that is defined by the Bible. Or, more clearly, is defined by God.

St. Paul wrote: "Put God's armour on so as to be able to resist the devil's tactics. For it is not against human enemies that we have to struggle, but against the Sovereignties and the Powers who originate the darkness in this world, the spiritual army of evil in the heavens." -- Ephesians, 6,11

Entheogens are the Light. Entheogens are God, (the Creator). The devil tries to extinguish the Light.

"a Light that shines in the dark,

a Light that darkness could not overpower"
-- St. John, 1,5

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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23439959 - 07/14/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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St. Paul wrote: "Put God's armour on so as to be able to resist the devil's tactics.




When you put armour on, like when you tense up and become hard, inflexible, resistant, unmoved, is the eiptome of the 'heroic ego' who sees more and more of the natural world, including the very natural world itself AS evil. And that toxic myth leaking out unconsiously into the secular world is what is CAUSING the evil we see.

What do their militarized cops wear who protect their evil world? is that armour or is that armour??



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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: zzripz]
    #23442705 - 07/15/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There's God's armor and there's worldly armor.

  223. Let a person overcome anger by love, let them overcome evil by good; let them overcome the greedy by liberality, the liar by truth!

  224. Speak the truth, do not yield to anger; give, if you are asked even if it be a little; by these three steps you will come near the Gods.
- Dhammapada (Buddhist)

(Note the reference to "the Gods". Many people think that Buddhists have no God, or Gods.)


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23442960 - 07/15/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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There's God's armor and there's worldly armor.

  223. Let a person overcome anger by love, let them overcome evil by good; let them overcome the greedy by liberality, the liar by truth!

  224. Speak the truth, do not yield to anger; give, if you are asked even if it be a little; by these three steps you will come near the Gods.
- Dhammapada (Buddhist)

(Note the reference to "the Gods". Many people think that Buddhists have no God, or Gods.)




But the biblical 'God' is a freaking warrior, and warriors wear armour! And he is the creation OF warriors. He is their heroic IMAGE if you would just understand this! So all the contradictory WORDS about 'overcome anger by love' etc are the epitome of hypocrisy when it comes to the biblical 'God'!

"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." (Exodus 15:3)


Moses' Song of Deliverance
…2"The LORD is my strength and song, And He has become my salvation; This is my God, and I will praise Him; My father's God, and I will extol Him. 3"The LORD is a warrior; The LORD is His name. 4"Pharaoh's chariots and his army He has cast into the sea; And the choicest of his officers are drowned in the Red Sea.…
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Romans 13:1-14 ESV
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...

2 Samuel 10:12 Be strong, and let us fight bravely for our people and the cities of our God. The Lord will do what is good in his sight.

1 John 5:4  For everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.

Psalms 18:39 For You have girded me with strength for battle; You have subdued under me those who rose up against me.

Deuteronomy 20:1 “When you go out to battle against your enemies and see horses and chariots and people more numerous than you, do not be afraid of them; for the LORD your God, who brought you up from the land of Egypt, is with you.

Psalm 44:5 Through You we will push back our adversaries; Through Your name we will trample down those who rise up against us.

Psalms 28:7 The LORD is my strength and my shield; My heart trusts in Him, and I am helped; Therefore my heart exults, And with my song I shall thank Him.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: zzripz]
    #23451696 - 07/18/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Christ talked about the farmer who sowed good seeds but in the night the evil one came and sowed weeds. The parable is about the Bible.

The people who originally wrote the scriptures wrote things like :

Thou shalt not kill. - Moses

The lion shall eat straw like any ox. Isaiah

None shall injure, none shall kill, anywhere on My Sacred Hill -- for the land shall be as full of the Knowledge of the Lord as the ocean bed is full of water. - Isaiah

Turn the other cheek. -- Christ


And then the weeds:
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God... Deuteronomy

Obviously complete contradictions.

The Bible has passed down through editors and translators who added and tweisted what the original people wrote.

Jeremiah wrote (8,8): What, you say 'we are wise, we do have God's directions' when lo, your scribes have written them wrong and falsified them. No, the 'wise' shall be discomfitted, dismayed and tricked. They have rejected the Lord's Word, so what wisdom have they?"

When you read any scripture, you have to "separate the wheat from the chaff".

I look at the Bible like an archeological site covered with dust.

"Even as a mirror of gold, covered with dust, when cleaned well shines again in full splendor, when a person has seen the Truth of the Spirit, they are One with Them." -- Svetasvatara Upanishad


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23451880 - 07/18/16 05:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

no, you just stop wasting time reading such contradictory mindfkery after realizing the REASON it IS like that--full of contradictions-- is because its baseline mythic root is solar phallic and thus dualistic!


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: zzripz]
    #23453610 - 07/18/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This has been a tactic of the powers of darkness against God (Entheogens) from time immemorial.

For example, take Steven Kessler. The newspapers blared out the front page headline "LSD MURDERER". Then it turned out that he had no LSD and had taken lab alcohol and barbituates.

Did the newspapers then blare out "OUR MISTAKE -- HE HAD NO LSD"?

NO!!! They quietly put it on the back pages.

So people still think this was a murder committed under LSD

Same thing happened with the "Manson" people. Very few people know that the large majority of murders were committed by Tex Watson who was on datura and speed.

Some people don't care about justice. They're perfectly happy to not know that the God that Christ, Buddha, Shiva, Moses, Mohamed etc., worshiped was Entheogens -- or that the things calling for violence in the scriptures were put there by editors and were NOT a part of the original religion.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23453757 - 07/18/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

your name is "endogenous" and you try to create fear about psychedelics on a spirituality subforum on a mushroom cultivation website.... are you fucking ISIS, dude?


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23454196 - 07/18/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Many people say God damn it or curse the Devil when they experience trouble in Life. I used to dive deep in Universe to find out what is this Devil. What I found was a crushed soul of ancient times being called to us still even nowadays. What nobody really seems to pay attention is that we 'charge' this word - Devil with our negativity ourselves. We found a perfect scapegoat for our own wrongs and blame ancient forces. Same goes with God word. So many religions get corrupt when people start to blame/praise something mystical and Energy builds up somewhere.





Human experience involves many internal conflicts, and the idea of God and Satan reflect this reality.

The term "temptation" is an excellent example.

We can see temptation as arising within us, or we can view it as an evil spirit plotting to make us suffer.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23454983 - 07/19/16 04:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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This has been a tactic of the powers of darkness against God (Entheogens) from time immemorial.

For example, take Steven Kessler. The newspapers blared out the front page headline "LSD MURDERER". Then it turned out that he had no LSD and had taken lab alcohol and barbituates.

Did the newspapers then blare out "OUR MISTAKE -- HE HAD NO LSD"?

NO!!! They quietly put it on the back pages.

So people still think this was a murder committed under LSD

Same thing happened with the "Manson" people. Very few people know that the large majority of murders were committed by Tex Watson who was on datura and speed.

Some people don't care about justice. They're perfectly happy to not know that the God that Christ, Buddha, Shiva, Moses, Mohamed etc., worshiped was Entheogens -- or that the things calling for violence in the scriptures were put there by editors and were NOT a part of the original religion.




I really agree with the first part of what you say. it is very true that the propagandists will quickly implant the propaganda into the public psyche, but after if and when forced to tell actual truth will stick it away where not many will see it, bottom corner of page 4, back page etc. They did this on 9/11. They straight away had voices from 'experts' narrating a phony narrative of what was happening over images of the towers coming down, etc.

But I don't agree with your second part. It is not so much the characters you mention worshiped 'God' as a psychedelic mushroom, they were personifications of the psychedelic mushroom themselves!

Now here is where you must understand the concept they had of these psychedelic fungi. They believed they miraculously appeared after thunderstorms, because they had no microscopic equipment to reveal how their spores were the seeds. Thus came the idea of them as gods/Gods which came from above!

Inversely came the idea of 'Satan' and 'Lucifer' as leaders of 'fallen angels'. Lucifer by the antagonist belief system to Judeo-Christianity came down to liberate, and tech believers how to become gods, and thus gain technological and occult knowledge so as to have power over others and nature. For the Luciferians the 'God' of the Bible was an evil prison governor who didn't want his creatures Adam and Eve to have any freedom

Now although supposedly antagonistic to each other, yet those two worldviews are at root coming from the same solar phallic roots!

Radically different from that solar phallic myth is the lunar-based mythos of the Great Mother. In this myth there is not dualism between 'above' and 'below', 'spirit' and 'nature'. The very Earth is the body  of the Goddess, so ALL fruits which grow are the fruits of Earth, and not some alien beings which descend into 'matter' to save us. Rather, in the Goddess understanding, nature is sacred, and so eating the psychedelic fruit is the way to go deeper into the mystery in ecstasy. In a celebrational way rather one that tries to commune/'channel' with a transcendental 'God' or to gain power over others via occultist means.

The psychedelic mushrooms were/are the son/lover of the Goddess. Eating them and falling ever deeper in love with nature.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: yeah]
    #23458257 - 07/20/16 01:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah said:
your name is "endogenous" and you try to create fear about psychedelics on a spirituality subforum on a mushroom cultivation website.... are you fucking ISIS, dude?




Yo, let's chill it on the name calling, the two of you can either speak civilly or the will be reprimanding.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: zzripz]
    #23458321 - 07/20/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It is not so much the characters you mention worshiped 'God' as a psychedelic mushroom, they were personifications of the psychedelic mushroom themselves!



They were the "personification" of the Entheogens because they understood and believed that They (the Entheogens) were and are the Creator. As Saint John said "on those who have accepted Them however, They have conferred the right of being Children of God - that is on those who believe in Their Name - who owe this birth of theirs to God, not to human blood or any impulse of the flesh, or of humans." (St. John, 1, 9)

Soma was the "Creator of the Gods" according to the RgVeda. Soma is still, today, believed to have been a Plant.

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Now here is where you must understand the concept they had of these psychedelic fungi. They believed they miraculously appeared after thunderstorms, because they had no microscopic equipment to reveal how their spores were the seeds. Thus came the idea of them as gods/Gods which came from above!



I think it was clear to them that the Plants didn't come from the sky. They also had Acacia, and Marijuana. In fact, they believed that the sky was the realm of demons.

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Inversely came the idea of 'Satan' and 'Lucifer' as leaders of 'fallen angels'. Lucifer by the antagonist belief system to Judeo-Christianity came down to liberate, and tech believers how to become gods, and thus gain technological and occult knowledge so as to have power over others and nature. For the Luciferians the 'God' of the Bible was an evil prison governor who didn't want his creatures Adam and Eve to have any freedom




Again, the Bible has been edited and twisted through the "dark" ages (in which it is not known that Entheogens are the true God).

Christ refers to Himself as the Serpent. Satan was the "God" who forbade the Tree of Knowledge. If you look at the 1st chapter of Genesis, the True God gives every plant to the people and the humans are formed "in the image of God". Even and Adam were not made in the image of God. They were made to be the slaves of Satan to till the ground. The Tree of Knowledge is Soma. The true God has never forbidden anyone to worship Them.

My understanding is that Lucifer was someone who rebelled against the Knowledge of who God was and is. Actually, Lucifer was supposed to have been the king of Assyria in Isaiah's writings. I would say that Lucifer is the head of the government who makes God (Entheogens) illegal in order to oppress God's people-- such as Pharaoh or Richard Nixon.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23458325 - 07/20/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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your name is "endogenous" and you try to create fear about psychedelics on a spirituality subforum on a mushroom cultivation website.... are you fucking ISIS, dude?




Yo, let's chill it on the name calling, the two of you can either speak civilly or the will be reprimanding.



I would recommend that you read through my posts in this thread. You will not find them to be uncivil and I have never had any conversation with this person.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23458362 - 07/20/16 03:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I hadn't accused you of anything, just a warning not to go there.  Don't engage with him, you're ok.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23458385 - 07/20/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No problem. I didn't feel I had any reason to and hadn't planned to respond to his attack.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23458546 - 07/20/16 06:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It is not so much the characters you mention worshiped 'God' as a psychedelic mushroom, they were personifications of the psychedelic mushroom themselves!



They were the "personification" of the Entheogens because they understood and believed that They (the Entheogens) were and are the Creator. As Saint John said "on those who have accepted Them however, They have conferred the right of being Children of God - that is on those who believe in Their Name - who owe this birth of theirs to God, not to human blood or any impulse of the flesh, or of humans." (St. John, 1, 9)

Soma was the "Creator of the Gods" according to the RgVeda. Soma is still, today, believed to have been a Plant.

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Now here is where you must understand the concept they had of these psychedelic fungi. They believed they miraculously appeared after thunderstorms, because they had no microscopic equipment to reveal how their spores were the seeds. Thus came the idea of them as gods/Gods which came from above!



I think it was clear to them that the Plants didn't come from the sky. They also had Acacia, and Marijuana. In fact, they believed that the sky was the realm of demons.

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Inversely came the idea of 'Satan' and 'Lucifer' as leaders of 'fallen angels'. Lucifer by the antagonist belief system to Judeo-Christianity came down to liberate, and tech believers how to become gods, and thus gain technological and occult knowledge so as to have power over others and nature. For the Luciferians the 'God' of the Bible was an evil prison governor who didn't want his creatures Adam and Eve to have any freedom




Again, the Bible has been edited and twisted through the "dark" ages (in which it is not known that Entheogens are the true God).

Christ refers to Himself as the Serpent. Satan was the "God" who forbade the Tree of Knowledge. If you look at the 1st chapter of Genesis, the True God gives every plant to the people and the humans are formed "in the image of God". Even and Adam were not made in the image of God. They were made to be the slaves of Satan to till the ground. The Tree of Knowledge is Soma. The true God has never forbidden anyone to worship Them.

My understanding is that Lucifer was someone who rebelled against the Knowledge of who God was and is. Actually, Lucifer was supposed to have been the king of Assyria in Isaiah's writings. I would say that Lucifer is the head of the government who makes God (Entheogens) illegal in order to oppress God's people-- such as Pharaoh or Richard Nixon.




No, I am not thinking you understand me. I am trying to dispense with all the elaborated crap of what I call toxic myth, and reveal the core, that the characters set up for gullible people to worship and sacrifice to were really personification of psychedelic fungi! From there all kind of elaborated stories were concocted which within them were cryptic mentions of the psychedelic fungi. Only really for the knowledge of the initiated os said cult.
To me, your still caught up in the myth even though you are aware of the relevance of psychedelics in them

I am also not talking about 'Plants'. Fungi are not 'Plants', they are fungi--a different species from plants. According to Paul Stamets fungi appeared a long time before the appearance of plants:

Most of you may not know that fungi were the first organisms to come to land. They came to land 1.3 billion years ago, and plants followed several hundred million years later.

John Allegro -whose book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross I read many years ago- was first author I heard say how the ancients composed their myths refelcting their ignore-ance concerning how mushrooms progenate via spores, because they could not see the spores they assumed they--especially the psychedelic fungi--magically appeared after thunder and lightening storms, and this also fit in with the solar phallic idea that sperm was superior, and thus their 'God' above's sperm was THE most powerful and came down in the form of storm rain giving birth to these special powerful fungi, also in the Christian myth (though hidden from the majority of believers uninitiated) to be the very 'Son of God' who one eat to become 'one with the Father'

The fact they felt the sky was realm of demons also reflects the awful paranoia such dualistic toxic myths incite in its believers! They demonize nature.

The reason the Bible is all contradictory is because it is coming from dualistic writers influenced themselves by earlier dualistic beliefs they ripped their ideas from such as Zoroastrianism and its belief in 'all-good spirit' and 'all-evil spirit' in conflict with each other. This is why the 'fallen' angel 'Satan' is 'all-evil' and 'God/Lord' is 'all-good' even believed when in later chapters you hear the tyrant baying for peoples blood, sacrifice, telling his followers to stone others to death, and even giving his 'only son' as a blood sacrifice!
The story is all whack BECAUSE of all the none-sense elaboration which obscures the simple reality that:

psychedelic fungi exist and you can eat them and have your own unique spiritual experiences

Lucifer, as understood by the Luciferians so I understand is not to thought of as some literal god, but rather the 'en-light-ening' concept that certain people who are initiated (as they think of themselves) can gain superior occult knowledge and power and technological prowess which affords power over others, deemed inferior, and the whole natural world. So in other words it is the belief in self-worship, and apotheosis--'becoming gods'.

For the God lot, they create an image of their own ego and put it in the sky and enforce others to obey them via this image. Making sure to hide all knowledge, and memory of psychedelic vegetation, only a small elite having access to it.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23458708 - 07/20/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I thought you were saying that entheogens are tools of the devil and not that God IS entheogens

Well yeah, God is everything.

Also, since your name is endogenous which means 'from within' in biology I figured you were some crusader troll account trying to guilt people out about putting drugs in their body instead of just relying on sobriety


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Edited by yeah (07/20/16 07:48 AM)


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