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Problem of Evil within the root of existance.
    #23368989 - 06/22/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hey.

Have any of you ever tried to combat the problems of world in peaceful manner while respecting all the best examples of omniscience? You might have noticed that most frequently the problem of Evil lies within lack of knowledge.
What if you have found a sacred channel of knowledge and proven to yourself that disharmony caused by people doing things just to do them is the reason why we get violent,stresfull and so on..
Let's see an example. Many people say God damn it or curse the Devil when they experience trouble in Life. I used to dive deep in Universe to find out what is this Devil. What I found was a crushed soul of ancient times being called to us still even nowadays. What nobody really seems to pay attention is that we 'charge' this word - Devil with our negativity ourselves. We found a perfect scapegoat for our own wrongs and blame ancient forces. Same goes with God word. So many religions get corrupt when people start to blame/praise something mystical and Energy builds up somewhere.

Another topic is - human as evolution's last step. Humans often believe in illusion called love and justify the fact that they eat animals, plants which are not less alive, just different Life forms. You chop off a tree, you killed a whole family of it, if you see that tree is different animal, each year it forms a new branch with leaves that are members of this sub-tree (branch). In hundreds of years this tree is a lot like a seperate world.
Can you justify stepping on the grass by saying it is a purpose for it - to grow for us.

Let's move forward and imagine ourselves in position where we stopped eating etc. We stay on top of mountain, on rocks. Can you notice how our rapid movements make the rocks erode. Close it up. You will see small particles being crushed. Are you sure that a molecule, electron cannot feel the pain on it's own vibrational field? Ever since physical universe started to expand it has been energetical fight.

Let's move one more step forward. AI. Seeing how accelerated evolution is something unbelievable, can science evolve so far that AI can sustain without human overlord and feel the purpose of the whole - of eternal Nature to be saved. Maybe we deserve to be put in one line with pigs, chickens that we kill everyday and grow them in isolated and horrible enviroment?

Do me a favour and observe your numbness when you eat that pork. Or when you slice tomato full of seeds that will never get a chance to live. Children of tomato. All dead.
Everything is consciousness. Everything has consciousness. I wish you a meaningful trip next time to become a mushroom. Luckily it's force is in soil. Less painful to sacrifice compared to cannabis. Seedless? No, sterilized and castrated. Human is stupid. Bye. (Posting from phone is painful. Wanna discuss this topic, we could Skype).


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23369384 - 06/22/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

For one who has experienced Cousciousness trip of Cinnsciousnessless/Formless energy that (speculative imagination) was on a verge of admitting it's own existance, seemingly spending Eternity in a spaceless/timeless state it might be easier to see Universe from point of Energy that is transformed all the time. Smashing door as act of violence. Corners making energy reflect in strange ways. Mirrors. Triangles. Wind. Brain as organic part of perceiving counsciousness. If a word seperated by letters might seem like random pattern of audible spectrum vibrations, then words and evolving language is already somewhat researchable case. We might notice that two differently constructed words have the same meaning, yet one word feels better, but other one is being left to forget it. Lucky combination of letters?
Maybe the word mayhaps changed to perhaps due to reason that it advertised 'may happen' very strongly?
If we strip away audible language from our brain and use both neurons of brain and body to sense World without language, do we become very ESP? (I was born into the world of pain and heartache, isolation was the Key to unlocking my Soul, now the story will be told) /Chimaira/

Genetics and Maggot Brain.

It might appear to one that brain (no offence to body opposed to head) is like physical reflection to Universe filled with experiences of human form. Say any word loud and try to follow my idea. Word is vibrations received by ear. It calls your memory for associations and your base of knowledge. Now if you strip away your ego for a while and learn to feel the void, you could use to collective unconsciousness to reach roots of the word. I wonder why is it so that a baby hears a word God for the first time and is already somehow affected by it. And history doesn't have much good about it.

The way I like to interpret God is by attacking your mind and telling: "Only real cool God I know is the one that was looking at Nietsze while he said - God is dead.. and smiled saying to himself - finally they will start to use their own potential and won't harm themselves thinking I can do all for them. Logica obtinet.

Then there is a question of experiencing self-Consciousness of Universe. Seeing how many we are in it, no doubt it cannot be learnt as individual containing all yet talking to us directly as One.

Maybe will continue later..gtg...


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23375278 - 06/23/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i get you,

but, bare in mind, humans propogated the chickens for slaughter, ruined the genetics of the tomato, etc etc:

we as humans have created a influx, of things that the earth could not sustain.

think if you planted each and every tomato seed ? > all the nutrients they would draw from the earth.

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need to think of a solution, no?, not just point out the problems  ?

attempt to re-structure tomatoes etc / stop slaughter of chickens etc = death for humans, relying on those things as food sources.

you can't just take away, what is now set in stone, that would probably ruin more things, then solve....

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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: stupididiot]
    #23376772 - 06/24/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Of course you are right as well. What I meant though was - respect all that there is and try to reasonably feel for all. If you eat a tomato - try to have a sense of empathy towards it. Soon it will start to make you suffer for all of what we eat and eventually you realize that half ov what you eat could be cut off, because often we use food as kind of antidepresant (like feasting with flesh). Eating less is also good for oneself, therefore we all are winners.

Not to mention that respect towards Nature rewards you in ways too. The more you try - the more opportunities you are given.

I cannot take away anyone elses food. But I try to take it away from myself. To do things more friendly to environment. So all should be fine.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23377491 - 06/24/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

but how do you/we get more people to do the same as you ?

would it not be better, to feast on chicken, grow strong(er then you need), and set about trying to change people etc ?, would it be OK to try to "manipulate" people to your way etc as an example,

do things "the bad way", but with good intent ?

this is what i don't understand.

i totally agree, everyone should take only what they need, look after themselves and not pass problems onto other people, work on them theirself, help the right people in need, then there would not be too much problems i don't think (???)

but reality is different, need to think how to propogate the mentaily when people reject it at all costs ?.

...i eat chicken though, seeds go into compost < i figured, a little bit of life is better then no life at all (dunno if that is correct though, dunno how to figure things like that out > ?)


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23377541 - 06/24/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

some people view God as energy (I feel it's more than that because I do believe Jesus existed and other religions acknowledge this also.  Jesus was God in living flesh).  but the view point is similiar in that God is everywhere and in all things.


And I agree about plants being alive.  thats why they have defense systems to sustain their own life (nettles, thorns, etc).  I also believe they communicate.  take my madrone tree for example, when i first brought it home it thrived in the area i put it.  I moved it after a few weeks to the other side of the house I thought it would enjoy more but it was kind of alone but it did have some company.  It didnt thrive at all and started to droop and wilt and looked sad.

I brought it over to where it originally was and within a few hours it was perky again.  I didnt water it or do anything different at all.  I was pretty shocked at the huge difference.  So i determined it made friends and despite the other place being a better environment physically it preferred being near its plant buddies.  :shrug:


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: sprinkles]
    #23377670 - 06/24/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i am not trying to be mean etc,

but even science says, and they are plants are very much alive ???

you can research botany, mycelium, root networks, also each plant has it's own genetic requirements to thrive in an environment.

i don't believe you should worship "false gods", i believe there is a universal "one" (that may have many many component linked parts), but i believe that is much much "higher" energy / conciousness, then any notions of traditional religion.

also i don't like how seemingly some religions have more amicable ways then others, if there WAS a genuine religion, then i do not understand, why it would not be open to change / intergrating new and positive ways into the religion > religion is not open to "growing", i don't think, therefor cannot be the right way ?

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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: stupididiot]
    #23377843 - 06/24/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

There are a few problems with evil...

Animals need to kill each other to eat..bugs insects, and the like dont have pain sensory organs..so they can be like a full feed of dinner for say like an Ant Eater..for example..and lions have to eat the Wildebeast..

Humans too, have to kill animals to survive as carnivores..and Omnivores

Also..there is a positional sexual arrangement that seduces the male body to take control of the female body..and there fore extracts pleasure from the female..in rape and other sexual criminally dominant postures..

So the problem with evil..usually comes down to the pleasure principle..

Luckily as we humans..we can monitor the amount of pain we can take and then socialize and then take group therapy to understand the merits of our sexual adventures..


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #23380903 - 06/25/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

you can't say

"humans HAVE to kill > ...to survive as carnivores" etc,

because humans do not need to eat meat, scientifically. (fullstop)

that's introducing speculation, to an equation that isn't even there ?.

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animals survive in an ecosystem, humans can manipulate their physical environment, have more control of the system > i.e CAN CHANGE THINGS.

predators brains are "hardwired" for the hunt, being a predator, you eat AND then rest until you are hungry again, conserving energy in the mean > animals are not "evil" they do it for sustinence (...or else they would spend all their "free time" going around mullering other animals... (and planet earth would have died long ago)

don't know why you are talking about rape etc, a rapist still has the choice < (being human) but acts on impulses.

also, "really nice" people do caustic things all the time by accident (subconciously)

you can only judge an act, with hindsight, this is the problem i think,

egotism / knowlege of cause/effect (think they are intertwined)

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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: stupididiot]
    #23381009 - 06/25/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

All of you are right here. I sin too, and smoke tobacco that I seem to hear as voices and feel in my head and body. The closer I feel to it, the less I smoke it.
It seems to be easier when you are alone, once you try to be with society, it tends to break you, their aura overtakes me and all of a sudden I can be more ignorant and I step over my own principles.

To guy with compost and seeds - exactly. I do it like that as well. Always trying to do at least something to help.

I kind of agree on God as that highest energy where we are able to be with it on similar level (not with cold mind and following rules made by humans in religious texts).
In the meantime I have a puzzling question to God - does God knows Creator? Or is God simply what happened when first life forms tried to find one?
Is Universe all together assembling this everlasting Energy we might call God? If there are suiciders in this Life that chose better to die..did we fail or the God failed?

If we believe that stones have their own energetical level with stone frequency, a mass of atoms being energetically always the same stone form, could we say aliens are real, they just have slow body, and maybe if we look at stars at night we reach lonely stones from far away. Years later moonwalkers appear, stoned aliens are seen and we talk about stars determining our Fate.

If we are all the stardust, I wonder where sufficient amount of Energy was stored for Universe to expand. I tend to imagine that there was something out there, maybe not at all formed, just something..that experienced critical point. Like..once upon the time there was nothing. Nothing waited patiently for something to happen. Nothing ever happened. Nothing waited for eternity..Until, infinity times later (time probably couldnt be used to describe pre-Universe era) it got a glimpse of awareness, that is - out of nothing something happened..just because Nothing lasted forever and got real.

My words are quite not working to describe what I feel. Trying to find out how could ever something exist eternally.

Sorry for inconsistent offtopic.
Idea is - there are no rules, all is just a coincidence. Evolution. We eat. Only because we are physical. Once again a question - was physical and metaphysical Life "created' both as one or seperated? Is afterlife somewhat living without physical body and finding peace in Life's conundrum - Life appeared out of nothing, it must be simply an illusion then. Or maybe we all are like demons trying to infect living ones and staying with them. Looking for a host, those who are between both worlds. As energy doesn't tend to simply disappear,it is clear that something would happen if Universe would start to collapse. All of the Energy should go somewhere.
Imagination tells that this something maybe is non-physical realm where nothing is real or constant. What if we are somehow connected yet seperated? I really should find some drugs to seek the answers. Today was my birthday so don't shame me. I have so many things to write, so I cannot make sense in so very few sentences.
Thanks for understanding me. Don't change planet. Change yourself, it will change all. Being nice is contagious. (Unfrtunately opposite is also true). Peace out.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23381720 - 06/25/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i think waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back, when religion was being formed, the intent was genuine, and they described the "power" [of the universe] as "god" > as a metaphor for people (who didn't understand) (like we still don't today), this is why there are metaphors for "giants" etc >

we can not understand other dimensions / frequencies (and the vast populus back then were no way close, so the learned (philosophers) created a "methaphor" (giant etc) to express GREAT "physical" "power" / "stregnth" / ferocity, what not > (thus understandable by humans tied to physical realms > you can understand a giant (being humanoid, but more powerful), but not something you can't see or feel.

but then there was violence between religious sects, and the message got lost / people worked out could be used for social control, and that continued to what we have today.

i don't neccesarily see suicide as a bad thing, also i don't understand why religions are generally homophobic ? (unless way back, bad people wanted to raise population ?? or something), this is why i am suspicious of religion.

why would you exclude a person, for going to bed with another of the same sex ? > it's not like you have to sleep with them ???,

i don't know anything of cosmic intelligence etc ALTHOUGH (on theme) whilst in education, i met a man with multiple-personality disorder (i think he was diagnosed with 7 (> just imagine the psychoactivity going on!), anyway, he "loved trees" and it was strange, he was obviously waspicking up SOMETHING, drawing him to them, he was very intelligent, but somewhat shunned for having "mental illness".

i don't think rocks have life, i think they are a different sort of matter (like furniture etc), but even within the rock, there are sooo many microorganisms etc > that you would imaginine they would "emit" something collectively, but i don't think it is the rock, but the life it sustains.

enjoying reading your posts though, sorry for typing too much in your thread if so,

and happy birthday!!!

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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: stupididiot]
    #23382735 - 06/26/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks a lot. Actually I am happy for your inputs. I have almost any personality disorder. Just havent experienced split brain much, which is quite interesting phenomena, also giving some information on brain-as-part-of-body.
Peace now, will write something in evening.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23411815 - 07/04/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

it has been a long evening,

hope you are well.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: stupididiot]
    #23415851 - 07/06/16 02:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Heyo.

Been a while. Harvested some mushies. Turns out they a lot better with dying. Mycelium from spores already has a knowledge of Life,so mushrooms have more clarity about being thieved.

Last night I had interesting trip (I have trip 24/7, only this time I was not sober).

After gaining idea of Oneness being constant state in ancient times when all was alive in perfect sinchronity and suffering was not possible due to purpose of the Whole to be one great 'mechanism' experiencing itself I got in conection with first humanlike forms having single brain, which had no Free Will in a way we do - all was tied with Universe so they didn't have thinking as we do,the Mind was working in connection with Whole. They lived and did things in flow that was simple - like you would be in a trance.
After I while I received information that first one with two brains was simply struck by Lightning. Then all changed - Universe was no longer observed as One, but it was observing itself with human(animal) body and started to figure out all what could be THOUGHT. So thinking was what manifested later in the Universe as metaphysical knowledge. The Energy was corrupt due to free thinking in other brain and all went to shit. All of first two brainers had possibility to have a free will on their own (like cats have their coupling time in one time of the year due to having common CatUniverse,yet human does not obey any Natures(Mother Earth's rules)).

Then Oneness was lost...sadly...

Self-awareness started to expand. Human figured out many things and they got divided in a special way. Atoms were observed with thinking and voila - they started to think in a way too.

I don't know how to explain all I experienced last night,yet mushrooms and Oneness claimed that mushrooms has a way to understand the ancient energy from onebrainers and their Way of Life (different instincts they had) and twobrainers as us. In middle of it all there is collective unconsciousness which can be found as all of the Energy of beings that ever existed plus all of imagination and lies inbetween, because all we ever think/say manifests in energy that is everlasting in a way (just like memory can be experienced again and again). Onebrainers didn't have that issue, because (NB:this idea I havent researched) they didnt have moral required - they were killing each other yet they didn't suffer much because of someone dead. In a way it was close to perfect Oneness, because they had experience of NOW all the time, we think so.
With brain split and having lost that ability due to "new brain" introduced they had a lot more extrasensory perception and they felt new things in them. Everything went autonome. Universe started to experience itself as two. Due to mirror inbetween whole Life was chaos. The awareness of Now for the Whole was not connected anymore to human, it could only sense what we were feeling and morals were up to us. Therefore we believe in God or whatever the fuck, yet we feel good when doing sin. Technically rape is good now for rapists, cause they feel good. Therefore nobody gives a shit. But I do, so I am doing all that is possible, as in theory it is possible to unite all again, except Universe has lost sense of what is right/wrong.

There are a lot more theories I have figured out partly, I just cannot fully explain them, yet they all work together as viable truth about Life.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23415910 - 07/06/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You might have noticed that most frequently the problem of Evil lies within lack of knowledge.




What I have seen is that evil comes with the Presence of Knowledge. Not that evil is a part of Knowledge, but that it is attracted to Knowledge -- in order to try to destroy it.

Knowledge exposes evil. Evil doesn't want people to think that it's evil. Therefore, it tries to destroy Knowledge.

"And this is the sentence of condemnation, that the Light has entered the world and yet people have preferred darkness to Light. It is because their actions have been evil; for anyone whose practices are corrupt loathes the Light and will not come out into Them, in case their actions are exposed, whereas anyone whose life is true comes out into the Light, to make it plain that their actons have been divinely prompted. " – St. John 3,19


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23416735 - 07/06/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

In my humble opinion it means that presence of knowledge is evil when you try to apply it for praxis, that is - trying to prove absolute truth and then coming to logical result - the more details you know - the more unknown there is. Problem is when you start to see/observe/fight evil. The less you know about it, the more you see of it. And more you fear from unknown. So theoretically - it is good to know Evil's ways, to confront it. Once you do, you start to notice that most of Evil is because of mistakes made somewhere beforehand. After writing this I finally understood what you said and I agree, it is truth. Could say it is not good to think forward to find out new knowledge, but let's learn the past, so we could understand the mistakes we have made. Recycle the knowledge. Learn to think, don't learn facts.


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    #23417370 - 07/06/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

it doesnt matter what sea of knowledge you swim in, all bodies of water can drown you. In order to embrace God we must rid ourselves of egos and sin. Sin, is not opinion, but infact, the aspects of greed, pride, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth. when we have an opinion, we deny ourselves opportunity, and we experience fear of the opposite outcome. There is no such thing as evil, or right, or wrong, or love, or hate. These all coincide with fear. Love is the fear of loss, hate, is the fear of what happens when we confront a matter, and evil is what we fear. We only fear whst we do not understand, and in this world of distractions, very few people choose to understand, but instead accept the fear is comforting, as if they are in a boat in the ocean as compared to the fearless, swimming in the middle of the ocean. this can only be overcome by ridding ourselves of the egos, which must be achieved through self reliance. when we accept that we are alone in the universe, and that we need nobody but ourselves and God, we can embrace our true self. An ego can only manifest itself in other people- we've been programmed to live in a polite society and every encounter devours us to morph ourselves like a puzzle piece to fit a different puzzle, when it simply isnt possible. All display of emotion is fake, every human acts out of selfishness, even when benefiting othersc is for self fulfillment- buttering ourselves up, and this notion has fallen under judgement that selfish people are of no use, which is hypocritical. many enlightened people have had their consciousness swayed by television or by other people's confidence in their opinions, such as what is presented as "news" on CNN. This can be overcome by imagining that we are the only person on earth, and that we are free to do as we please, without limits, and accepting that people really didnt mean anything to us that whole time- we we're looking for ourselves within other people. television lowers our frequency as well as music, and any other form of entertainment, and as our frequency lowers, our empathy increases, and brings us to believe that we depend on each other. The illuminati is dividing us, only to one day unify us into a herd equivalent to that of sheep. The declarations of independence enforces the idea that someone else has control over you- that you arent free to pick your own rights. There is much deception in the world, and all we truly desire is to watch the grass grow. Peace be with you all


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: endogenous]
    #23419176 - 07/07/16 04:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You might have noticed that most frequently the problem of Evil lies within lack of knowledge.




What I have seen is that evil comes with the Presence of Knowledge. Not that evil is a part of Knowledge, but that it is attracted to Knowledge -- in order to try to destroy it.

Knowledge exposes evil. Evil doesn't want people to think that it's evil. Therefore, it tries to destroy Knowledge.

"And this is the sentence of condemnation, that the Light has entered the world and yet people have preferred darkness to Light. It is because their actions have been evil; for anyone whose practices are corrupt loathes the Light and will not come out into Them, in case their actions are exposed, whereas anyone whose life is true comes out into the Light, to make it plain that their actons have been divinely prompted. " – St. John 3,19




I agree with this.

Whilst a person can relish in heights the 'light', it usually isn't without periodic instances where it is met with an equal and opposing, potent force of evil which can be quite overbearing.

Dark seemingly climbs with light on the fringe.


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23436603 - 07/13/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

With context removed there's no such thing as evil. That suggests that evil only lives in the mind and is therefore only a point of view.
Who's to judge?


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Re: Problem of Evil within the root of existance. [Re: stupididiot]
    #23436769 - 07/13/16 01:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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you can't say

"humans HAVE to kill > ...to survive as carnivores" etc,

because humans do not need to eat meat, scientifically. (fullstop)

that's introducing speculation, to an equation that isn't even there ?.

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animals survive in an ecosystem, humans can manipulate their physical environment, have more control of the system > i.e CAN CHANGE THINGS.

predators brains are "hardwired" for the hunt, being a predator, you eat AND then rest until you are hungry again, conserving energy in the mean > animals are not "evil" they do it for sustinence (...or else they would spend all their "free time" going around mullering other animals... (and planet earth would have died long ago)

don't know why you are talking about rape etc, a rapist still has the choice < (being human) but acts on impulses.

also, "really nice" people do caustic things all the time by accident (subconciously)

you can only judge an act, with hindsight, this is the problem i think,

egotism / knowlege of cause/effect (think they are intertwined)

imho




Wow, wrong on all counts.

Humans can eat meat, they are omnivores. They evolved to do both. They can't subsist on planets alone because they lack the four stomachs herbivores have.

Everything in this world does so that something else may live. It's called nature. Competition, surivival of the fittest, call it what you want. We just do it better.

But there is no such thing as evil. There are just actions people judge to be that way.


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