Makin' Absinthe - The Ethnobotanical Garden

**Remut** · 02/15/04 09:51 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

The other herbs are going to cover the wormwood bitter taste.

I had some absinthe a short time ago from a woman who made herbal tinctures it was from dry herb. The potency was 1:10
1 part(1 gram) herb - 10 parts vodka. The taste is very bitter but not as bad as other absinthe (tincture) i had. This time i finshed my small glass full. And the typical effects were there too.

**Legoulash** · 02/15/04 03:41 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Ive got everything except for the wormwood..
Where did u get yours.. im looking for fresh wormwood.. im gonna try a 50/50 dry/fresh wormwood in my concoction.

**neuro** · 02/15/04 04:13 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

These herbs were sent to me as a test batch product from a site that is soon to be opening up selling nothing but absinthe kits.

**ask** · 02/15/04 07:29 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

ive been very interested in this subject for a while, any one with links i would like you to show your stuff :wink:

thanks

**neuro** · 02/15/04 07:38 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

A link to the site to order the Absinthe kits may be forthcoming tonight.

However bear in mind it's not fully developed. SO if you're looking for Absinthe information you may not find it just yet on the site. But the order form and check out cart all work if you want to get your kits.

The guy is fast and reliable and his prices are very competative.

Stay tuned, same time - same station.

**ask** · 02/15/04 07:46 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

i had found a site, someone linked it to this board, i checked the kits out, but i was not sure if it was bullshit or not. so im still looking for more info. at this time im not sure how i found the link " i was drunk".

**Baby_Hitler** · 02/17/04 08:50 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

What would this taste like if you smoked it?

Would it have any "effects"?

**AuroricDistortions** · 02/17/04 09:29 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

neuro said:
Started Friday February 13th:

Steeping wormwood in 100 proof vodka for a total of 4 - 6 days. Container is a growler jug from a local microbrewery.

Since this is day 4; How is the Absinthe coming along? Did you taste test any of it. How about the color from this kit? I can't wait for mine to arrive :smile:

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**OOKLA** · 02/17/04 10:08 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

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**neuro** · 02/17/04 10:15 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

it took like no more than 4 days or so if sent on like monday you'd have it by friday or even thursday, i guess he sends them out as soon as he gets em. But As i suppose he gets more business maybe it'll start to slow up.

B_H: the essential oils and the bitter agents are both in solution, to remove them you do have to fractionally distill, you can't just boil wildly and expect to get absinthe with out bitters.

edit:

forgot about auroric..

auroricdistortions: i've only got the wormwood steeping and not any of the other herbs at the moment. After i strain out the wormwood i'll steep the other herbs for another 5 - 6 days then strain and it's done.

**AuroricDistortions** · 02/17/04 10:48 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Is it important to steep them seperately? Is this to get the most out of the wormwood? And I suppose one could steep the wormwood in the 1L of vodka while steeping the other herbs in another jug of up to 1L vodka, since the kit claims 1-2L. Then mix the two together. Anyways, I'll probably follow your procedure, since I am in no hurry.

*.75-1L, I was up too late... :crazy:

**Baby_Hitler** · 02/18/04 01:55 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe, but I'm betting most of the bitters have BPs a couple hundred degrees higher than the volatile oils.

My guess is that it would be a cinch.

**neuro** · 02/18/04 05:31 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

the kit claims 750 - 1L that's it. not two. I steep them separately cause that's what the guy recommended. There's many ways to do it, consult some other instructions off the net, some say separate, some say just mix it all in.

B_H:
impurities lower boiling and melting points of chemicals and azeotropic action will occur. This is why fractional distillation is key.

When two compounds are mixed together, say separately they have a MP of 140 and and other has a MP of 136, mix them together and take the MP you'll see it'll drop as far as like 80. Same thing with boiling point, except the boiling point will be some temperature in between the highest and lowest BP, and considerations of the formation of azeotropes.

**felixhigh** · 02/18/04 01:02 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

goddamn, neuro, are you playing with wormwood for real?
when i was teen, one of the first things i made was a very fould and dirty tasting absinthe (only wormwood soaked in vodka).
i used to carry a small bottle from party to party, actually more for the alcohol than anything else (went good with beer actually).
i only managed to knock a friend down and the absinthe was good to get rid of the kind of people that likes to drink/smoke on the others count...
good luck for you guys!

FH

**OOKLA** · 02/18/04 01:02 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

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**neuro** · 02/18/04 01:03 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

yes i will be adding sugar when i drink it.

**neuro** · 02/29/04 11:38 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Welp it's finally done.

After 8 days of steeping the final mesh of flavoring ingredients i strained them out first through a mesh strainer to get the large particles out, then through filter papers in a funnel to get the rest of the fine powder out. This is the overall product. Not green. But this isn't commercial absinthe so what can you expect, i didn't use fresh ingredients, just dried. So it'll stay brown unless i add lots and lots of green food coloring to change it to probably puke green. Again i'm not going to distill it as that would best be done using fractional distillation. Since i only have 1 condenser and i don't have anymore to buy a second condenser or a normal distilling column piece for my glassware i have nothing to pack with Choreboy brand copper/aluminum brillo scrubbers to actually carry out the fractional distillation. But none the less here is the finished product.

Done and done.

**phishman13** · 03/01/04 07:39 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Looks good to me! I just got my kit today! My only question was when your soaking the wormwood, is there any need to vent the bottle? In other words are there any vapors given off when the wormwood is soaking that are significant enough for the lid to have to be opened periodically so that it doesn't build up too much? (and possibly explode! :eek:

)

Thanks everyone.

**Tantalus** · 03/02/04 04:12 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

No, the soaking is just to get the chemicals out of the wormwood into the alcohol. You're thinking of fermenting where the yeasts change the sugars to alcohol with a carbon dioxide biproduct. There will be no fermenting at all since the alcohol content will already be too high for yeast to survive.

**Anonymous** · 03/02/04 06:09 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

After recieving my Pharmacuetical Grade Sceletium Tortousum Powder from madtowntripper I started thinking. Hey this stuff would probably kick ass in neros Absinthe. I mix a lil in my coffee and it goes with it nicely. And the active constitutes are alcohol saluable. So nero would you mind throwing some in the next go? By the way good lookin stuff I wanna try it....Can I please? :beer:

**neuro** · 03/02/04 08:59 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I think if i have time today i might resolve to distill it on the stove with a ghetto heating mantle rig and jdust pack the distillign column with choreboy. It's not that long of a column so the # of theoretical plates will be very low but it doesn't matter. We'll see what happens.

**phishman13** · 03/03/04 01:39 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I must say, USE EVERCLEAR WHENEVER POSSIBLE. I added the wormwood yesterday morning and expected to wake up this morning to a brownish green (more brown than green) mixture. To my surprise its a very clear green. Ill try to get a digital camera to take some pictures. I hope the other herbs dont dirty the color up, but if they do, I can't say I wont still use it :grin:

**AuroricDistortions** · 03/03/04 02:26 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Same here, I used everclear (190proof) and it's a light green. Since the wormwood actives are insol. in water and sol. in alcohol, I used .75L everclear to soak the wormwood. In the directions, it said some of the ingredients were only soluble in water, I will add .25L water after I strain out the wormwood, bringing volume to 1L total. Then I'll add the other stuff and give it a few more days.

**neuro** · 03/03/04 03:28 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

There are way better recipes than the ones that come with the kit or are suggested with the kit. But if you don't have the time it still works fine.

**DrinkAbsinthe** · 03/03/04 07:15 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

**kiss5150** · 03/08/04 07:03 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I got mine made up....umm...I can't drink it!!!...Bitter doesnt even start to describe it!!..I tried adding everything to a glass of it .....to kill the bitter taste!!...HELP!!!...Did i fuck it up??

**AuroricDistortions** · 03/08/04 09:30 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I tried a glass of it before I added the additional herbs, so it was just wormwood, and it is very bitter. Even with ice, sugar, and 2/3 water, I couldn't finish it. I think the other ingredients will help out a lot, but I'm sure it will still be pretty bitter.

**kiss5150** · 03/09/04 04:18 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I already added the herbs!! And It still is undrinkable!!....I think I just wasted my cash......

**Kremlin** · 03/09/04 04:34 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

well absinthe isnt exactly the most tasty drink to begin with...

just grin and bear it :smile:

--Kremlin

**sakura** · 03/09/04 07:29 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Kill it with anise... (tastes like ouzo mixed with bile that way)

Enjoy!

**neuro** · 03/09/04 09:23 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

are you preparing your glasses right?

Adding water and sugar?

You can make it better by distilling it, but most home makers of absinthe don't do it and get by just fine.

**Legoulash** · 03/09/04 11:03 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

is this the kind of distilling that can be done with a pressure cooker. and a Tube?. Cause i think weve all got those??

Cause i want nice green absinthe and im stuck with crappy brown shit....
Tho i did add 3g of cron and it made it smell very nice.. Didnt change the color tho

**phishman13** · 03/10/04 02:19 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I'd be interested how that cron helps the mixture. I'm sure it will give an added kick, and who knows, almost anything can improve the taste.

**Tao** · 03/10/04 03:00 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

So is there any reason other than the historical value of adding the rest of the herbs (everything apart from the wormwood)? I mean, can you just leave the wormwood in it for 4-6 days, filter it out, and then try to make a drink with it any way you can? Those specific herbs don't add any psychoactive aspect to the drink right?

I plan on using the herbs this time, but next time, i was thinking of just getting some wormwood, soaking it in the everclear, and trying to make a drink from there. this time im thinking about using rose's lime juice, and who knows, maybe lemonade, in addition to the herbs, water and sugar cube? Is there an important reason not to add whatever you want to it as long as its soaked with the wormwood? Have those other herbs really been tried and true as the best way to mellow out the bitterness of absinthe? i mean, those recipes are damn old no?

**neuro** · 03/10/04 01:37 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

>>Subject: Re: Makin' Absinthe So is there any reason other than the historical value of adding the rest of the herbs (everything apart from the wormwood)?

Not really, there's several different ways to make absinthe, but most commonly it involves some sort of licorice flavoring agent like chicoree root or licorice root or star anise. But in general the herbs vary from recipe to recipe but the end result is still a licorice (jegermeister) flavored drink. Other than that you can really do whateve ryou want with the wormwoodized alcohol but you couldn't call it "absinthe" i suppose.

The other herbs depending on what you add can add some psychoactive value to it but i'd say it's negligible. drinkabinsthe.com 's kits come with calamus rhizome. Calamus rhizome contains some various TMPEA's and *could* add psychoactive value but in a solution this large it's not even noticable.

So yeah you could do whatever you want with the wormwoodized everclear/vodka or whatever.

**neuro** · 03/10/04 01:45 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

>>is this the kind of distilling that can be done with a pressure cooker. and a Tube?. Cause i think weve all got those??

I've been thinking about that. I used glassware simply because I've got it. I would have taken a picture but i couldn't find batteries to my cam, and i still can't, so i can't even take a picture of the resulting liquid.

I've been thinking about trying to design a tek that uses modifications to a pressure cooker, like putting a tube where the weight should go, but then there's the problem of controlling and measuring the temperature and just how much pressure builds up in the cooker while there's steam coming out of the tube.

So for now i'm not too sure what to do, but the idea of using a PC and a tube has come to mind. When i have some time i'll run some experiments with some sample distillation liquid mixes like vodka and water etc... if nobody else tries it first.

**Tao** · 03/10/04 01:49 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

cool, thanks for the info neuro.

when you describe it as jagermeister (though i realize it won't be as sweet as the liqueur) it makes me want to try root beer with it. I don't know if any one has every tried jagermeister with root beer (likely not), but its an surprisingly awesome combo (trust me, i thought it sounded sick before i tried it, but it really goes well together, even if you don't like jagermeister/licorice flavor).

**GanjaNamja** · 03/12/04 04:43 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

so has anyone had any real success with the drinkabsinthe kits? i have one here but im not sure what approach i should take with it...any suggestions?

**neuro** · 03/12/04 08:43 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, use everclear.

**Anonymous** · 03/12/04 12:17 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

mmmm everclear

**FirstAvailable** · 03/31/04 12:40 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

would buying and using an extra bag of wormwood, in addition to the bag that comes with the kit make the effect stronger?

**neuro** · 03/31/04 05:52 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think it needs to be stronger.

It would make it a little stronger, but i'm not sure by how much, there's already a lot of stuff getting dissolved in the alcohol.

**FirstAvailable** · 03/31/04 09:59 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Cool. Thanks.

Also, on the website, it says, while it is being seeped, the bottle should be kept in a warm dark place. Would my incubator be a good place?

**neuro** · 04/01/04 11:13 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

i just threw it in the closet and put a blanket on it. Incubator would work too.

**AlienPrimate** · 04/01/04 03:21 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

So then, those of you who have actually bought one of these kits from the vendor here and consumed the final product...how was it? Did you feel any effects? I read the reports on the website but none of them are the result of using these actual kits. Thanks.

AP

**AuroricDistortions** · 04/01/04 03:45 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I'm still waiting to distill mine before I add the addtional herbs, I have been busy lately. Hopefully I will have time to distill the absinthe this weekend.

**neuro** · 04/01/04 06:23 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I distilled mine after i was all done, it smelled very sweet and licorice-ee. But tasted like cough medicine. I don't like cough medicine. It was good. The effects are best described by me as psychedelic opium. I feel like i'm tripping but no visuals or anything that you could quantify as tripping and like i'm on opium at the same time. Very interesting indeed.

**discomfort** · 04/04/04 04:50 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

My kit is done. I made it with an 80proof Russian Vodka. It is really bitter even diluted w water and a sugar cube. The affect is really nice extra melow. Kinda like taking a few Vicadins. I like it but it's tough to drink.

**Pinhead** · 04/04/04 04:55 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

When I was in a country where it was legal to operate a still,I made some Absinthe. I followed an old recipe exactly,did everything with the utmost care and took no short cuts. The final product tasted like shit and had a slightly different effect than alcohol alone. I have no regrets spending the time and money to do so,but would'nt bother again.

**neuro** · 04/04/04 05:33 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Using everclear is best. I'd reccomend distilling it now.

**neuro** · 04/23/04 11:04 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I got another kit from www.drinkabsinthe.com this time i used Everclear so i can compare results with undistilled use of vodka, which is a little on the nasty side, and distilled use of vodka. That is if i distill or not after the final soak of herbs.

Some noted differences:

If you look at the old picture with the wormwood steeping in 80 proof vodka. It's almost amber to dark brownish-green.

If you look at the new mix using Everclear with the wormwood, the color is a much more transluscent green than darkbrownish green.

Hopefully some more pics to come.

**Royale** · 04/24/04 07:16 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Nice man!!!!!!
Seems like a lot of trouble too me. I just buy the stuff from seborabsinth.com. I wouldn't want to drink absinth with a very high alcohol content. I think it would take away from the effects of the woodworm as they are subtle anyways. Still I love my absinth, great social drink.
Still good job and nice pics!!!!

**neuro** · 04/24/04 12:00 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Traditional Absinthe comes in 170 proof bottles. It's not drank at 170 proof though as it's preparation involves diluting it out with water.

I'd never drink a very high proof straight that's for sure.

Here's some of the other pictures.

This one is still green, but looks pukish but that's more or less cause of the lighting as the other pics with a good light source really show the nice green color that is produced with a low water content.

The muck that's in the bottle, to reiterate, is just the wormwood.

**neuro** · 04/30/04 10:26 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I decided to do a little experiment. I separated the everclear into 2 equal volumes and divided the flavoring herbs equally. What I did was this:

Bottle 1: Added Flavoring after straining off wormwood.

Bottle 2: Did not add flavoring and will distill the wormwood infusion then add flavoring.

I will check to see if there is a noticable difference and compare against eachother as well as with vodka (distilled and undistilled) to get a final result and provide the best reccomendation for using the absinthe kits to make your own absinthe.

Pics of the bottle with flavoring added. The bottle without flavoring looks just like the pics in the above post.

As you can see there is quite a color difference between the absinthe made with everclear even with flavoring materials added and absinthe made with vodka:

**kadakuda** · 07/25/04 10:08 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

soooo how'd it turn out? very good posT!!

**HoodedForestDwellr** · 07/26/04 12:16 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I've made absinthe almost the same way...I love it! Dillute it in water, with a cube...mmm

**kadakuda** · 07/26/04 09:10 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

almost teh which way? there were a few ways mentioned. i didnt realize it was so cheap...think i may order some up righ tnow...

i was hoping to see how neuros little experiment turned out 3 posts up.

**neuro** · 07/27/04 04:44 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I've been lazy and haven't finished the experiment entirely.

The mix with the flavoring added was distilled and it tastes pretty good, but a little cinnamony, like it's got a bite to it or something.

The other half that has wormwood added only will be distilled soon now that i was reminded about it, then the flavoring will be added after that.

Perhaps on thursday i'll try to finish up this experiment.

Thanks for the reminder.

**kadakuda** · 07/27/04 10:16 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

cant wait

**JazzMatazz** · 09/20/04 03:34 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

*bump*
I searched and found this topic. I know its not in discussion at the moment, but I have a question concerning the destillation.
I bought two kits to make my own absinth, but they havent arrived yet. Id like to know if destillation is necessary at the end. I was planning to use vodka and not destill.
My questions are now as follows:
- Is it really adviced to use higher percent alcohol (i.e the american "everclear", which I cant get) in regard to the psychadelic effects of the final product?

- If destillation is adviced, how can I do this in a kitchen, without a pressure cooker or destillation aparatus?

thanks in advance,
Jazz

**kontron** · 09/20/04 07:57 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

i like to get absinthe from www.eabsinthe.com and seep my own wormwood for 7 -10 days in 85-95 degrees in total darkness, shaking once or twice daily. taste good, and kicks your ass to the floor. good shit.. has always worked for me.

**neuro** · 09/23/04 06:40 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

>>I bought two kits to make my own absinth, but they havent arrived yet. Id like to know if destillation is necessary at the end. I was planning to use vodka and not destill.

Not necessary, but it doesn't taste to appetizing. American everclear makes it a little better, but it's stlil bad. Distilling is the way to go. Depending on who makes your kits the use of certain anisette flavoring agents sometimes contributes to the putrid taste.

>> If destillation is adviced, how can I do this in a kitchen, without a pressure cooker or destillation aparatus

You don't.

**JazzMatazz** · 09/24/04 05:41 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

thanks, hat was very consice and exactly the info i needed!

**GoaM** · 10/20/04 07:08 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

neuro said:
Traditional Absinthe comes in 170 proof bottles. It's not drank at 170 proof though as it's preparation involves diluting it out with water.

Yes, the mix with water creates an opaque green called a 'louche' as the essential oils precipitate out of the alcohol solution. Real absinthe was steeped then distilled. Sort of an alcohol/steam distillation combined. I'd like to get the glass to try this. Or do the PC, copper tubing, ice bucket thang. 8-) It's cool to hear some experience reports for the real thing. This is on my future project list.

**lafeeverte** · 10/20/04 05:22 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Steeping wormwood in vodka will not release the essential oils from the wormwood. You need an alcohol of at least 75% to release the oils and put them in solution. Everclear or Golden Grain will release the oils, being 95% alcohol, however these are grain alcohols. Real absinthe is made with grape alcohol, by this I mean either brandy or cognac, distilled twice to reach 85%. Distillation is the only recourse there is to make absinthe. Steeping wormwood and other herbs in vodka or everclear is not absinthe, beleive me I know, I've been distilling absinthe for seven years. Also a traditional absinthe only uses six herbs: wormwood, anise, and fennel for the distillation, and roman wormwood, hyssop, and lemon balm for the coloring.

**neuro** · 01/20/05 11:51 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, as promised, but real late. Is the first of two batches.

This was made by steeping the wormwood in everclear, then adding the flavoring herbs. I then distilled the batch and added some extra wormwood and flavoring herbs for color and a bit more taste.

I think the flavoring herb content could be adjusted a little as it is strongly spicey and tends to overpower the anise flavor. A little star pod anise goes a long way, along with coriander, but I'm not sure If i used coriander in this batch or not. I forgot to take notes.

The drink itself was prepared in a 5:1 water to absinthe pictured above ratio with a slotted spoon and some sugar.

**zerozero** · 01/21/05 12:00 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

and does yours change color when added to water?

and so if you could make a still you could make true absinthe, correct.?
how is a fractional still different than a normal still? in that can it be made at home?
cause i have great plans and resources on how to make stills. if anyone is interested.

**neuro** · 01/21/05 12:24 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, it gets cloudy when the water is added.

It's true absinthe yes and no. True absinthe as noted before is made with grape alcohol, brandy, or cognac.

Simple distillation (the kind i did) is best used when one component of a liquid mixture is less than 10% and the BP between the 2 liquids is large.

In my case i used everclear which is 95% EtOH and 5% H2O, the boiling point of EtOH is 78.3C and H2O is 100C.

Fractional Distillation is carried out when the difference in BP is small and the composition of both components of the liquid mixture is substantial.

Fractional distillation works as follows (taken from Williamson, "Organic Experiments")

Quote:

Perhaps the easiest to understand is the bubble plate column used to distill crude oil fractionally. These columns dominate the skyline of oil refineries, some being 150ft high and capable of distilling 200k barrels of crude oil per day. The crude oil enters the column as hot vapor. Some of this vapor with high-boiling components condenses on one of the plates. The more volatile substances travel through the bubble cap to the next higher plate where some of the less-volatile components condense. As high-boiling liquid material accumulates on a plate it descends through the overflow pipe to the next lower plate and vapor rises through the bubble cap to the next higher plate. The temrperature of the vapor that is rising through a cap is above the boiling point of the liquid on that plate. As bubbling takes place, heat is exchanged, and the less volatile components on the plate vaporize and go ont ot he next plate. The composition of the liquid on a plate is the same as that of the vapor coming from the plate below. So on each plate a simple distillation takes place. At equilibrium, vapor containing low-boiling material is ascending, and high boiling liquid is descending through the column.

If that's sorta hard to get, I can draw a picture and break it down more, but I'm tired and just wanted to type an excerpt. If it's hard to grasp I can clarify tomorrow (or rather later today).

**zerozero** · 01/21/05 12:33 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

i get's it.
could one build a fractional still??
seems do-able.

found these while looking http://www.homedistiller.org/photos-sold.htmhttp://www.homedistiller.org/photos-sold.htm

**spudamore** · 01/21/05 12:41 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

It's true absinthe yes and no. True absinthe as noted before is made with grape alcohol, brandy, or cognac.

from spirit of wine so if you buy a still or make one you can get or make or buy 10 litres of wine and put it through the still but be sure to take out the 1st 100mls - 200mls. no need to worry about buying O.P. grape alcohol, brandy or cognac.

will stilling it destroy any or much of the psychoactive properties? or leave behind carcinogens?

**neuro** · 01/21/05 07:53 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

>>will stilling it destroy any or much of the psychoactive properties? or leave behind carcinogens?

I don't know for sure, I'd have to guess it leaves behind some carcinogens but that doesn't guarantee that some aren't carried through like the thujone is as it is volatilized.

**neuro** · 01/22/05 10:00 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

If everyone will recall, I stated a while ago that I'd work on an experiment to see when the best time to distill in the process of absinthe making will be to produce the best tasting product, with the use of everclear.

This photo is of Absinthe that was made by first macerating wormwood in everclear, straining and adding the flavoring herbs for an additional weeks worth of maceration. After that, the resulting liquid was distilled and a little wormwood plus flavoring herbs were again added for color. Resulting in the picture seen above.

Yesterday I distilled a wormwood containing everclear liquid only. And got results pictured in the thread titled: Simple Distillation Pictorial. The collected distillate then was added to another wine bottle containing the characteristic anisette flavoring herbs.

Below are the herbs added to the wine bottle.

Here is the disillate:

Here is the distillate added to the flavoring herbs, right after it was collected:

After a day it looks like this and probably won't look much different as time goes on:

**Knight_Templar** · 01/26/05 08:46 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I am very familiar with this process, and posted on another thread here some time ago.
Absinthe must be distilled, there is no way around that.
The dissolved plant material WILL make you puke.
Best still: Look for an old Silex coffee maker. There are two types; one with a narrow neck, and the other with a larger neck. Get the small-necked version. Go to Ebay if you've never seen one before. They can be had at flea markets (or Ebay) for about $5-10. There are two bowls, one on top of the other. Take the top bowl off and pull the rubber grommet/seal from around the stem (you may have to break the glass for this.) Go to Home Depot and get a brass three-way junction block in the plumbing section. Find the right nipple to adapt the bottom hole to the rubber insert inside the neck of the coffee bowl. The second hole points sideways, and here you will put a compression fitting to attach your 3/8" tubing. Put a plu on the top hole. This is for filling and taking temp readings. Get a powerful electric hotplate. Run the tubing across and wrap it into a coil. This will be placed inside a plastic box, which will be filled with water. The copper tube will run out of the side/bottom of the box (use a rubber grommet to seal.)
And, that's basically it.
Distilling tips:
1) Alcohol distillation is a Felony--even if you're simply extracting the essential oil of a plant, so beware.
2) Never add water. Always distill from as pure alcohol as possible.
Distil 80-proof to 160-180 proof for your extraction if Everclear is unavailable.
3) Take samples of distillate. Add a few drops of water to distillate: if a brief, cloudy effect occurs, then, you know you are extracting oil, and everything's OK.
4) If you just want to get buzzed, forget all the other herbs which go into it, and just make a wormwood distillate. Mix distillate with water, 1:2. Flavor afterwards. This is much easier, and cheaper. Make a tea out of the 2-parts water and add the 1-part distillate to it, if you like. Anise flavoring available at super market.
5) Do not pulverize plant material, as this makes filtration difficult.
6) Distill twice: it makes a difference.
7) Be careful drinking it the first time. It reacts differently that booze. It will not put you down, like booze, either. The more you drink, the longer you stay awake. You can get REALLY zonked on this stuff, so, take it easy to start.
8) Do not drink undistilled extraction. It WILL make you sick.
Glad to answer any questions.

**spudamore** · 01/26/05 09:01 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

there are countries that allow alcohol distillation.
you can add water to your alcohol it doesn't make a difference.
you can pulverise plant material its not that hard to filter out..

i am getting my still this coming teusday so will post some pics then.

**Knight_Templar** · 01/27/05 04:28 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Spudamore... have you ever distilled absinthe?

**spudamore** · 01/27/05 05:49 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

nope but have made herbal alcohols before. and i have done all of what i had said and it made no difference to how it turned out. so there is no diff.

**Knight_Templar** · 01/27/05 09:32 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

"Herbal alcohol?"
Is that distilled?
How long have you been distilling, if I may ask?

**neuro** · 01/27/05 09:41 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

So the second test batch was finished. I'll have to run some taste tests with some people to come up with some results. But for now here's some absinthoporn.

I don't have any sugar cubes so I added a little bit of water to some sugar to congeal it up a little and keep it from sliding through the spoon.

It louched

And just cause I thought this would be a good picture.

**spudamore** · 01/27/05 10:15 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

How long have you been distilling, if I may ask?

yes it distilled and have been distilling for the past 5 years till recently, gave my still away and upgrading to a better, bigger still.

**Knight_Templar** · 01/28/05 02:12 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

About as long as yourself.
Wormwood grows all throughout New England, and is considered a "pest" plant. There is no shartage of it at all.
I have tried to optimize a process which is FAST and simple.
I object to adding water to the extract as this increases the temperature unnecessarily and increases distillation time.
Distillation for the wormwood only. The flavoring ingredients can simply be boiled as a tea and added to the distillate later. This way, distillate can be on-hand separately, and I can mix it "to taste" depending on the situation. Many people do not like anise. I usually leave this out.
This is not the traditional approach, I know that, but, I am interested mainly in "effect" rather than tradition.

**spudamore** · 01/28/05 08:44 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I object to adding water to the extract as this increases the temperature unnecessarily and increases distillation time.

it doesn't add to the increasing temp. if you don't run the water properly through your condensor it will happen but the added water to the distillation doesn't contribute.

**neuro** · 01/28/05 09:05 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

changing the concentration ratio of alcohol to water in distillation will change the temperature at which your mixture boils. Read my thread about distillation, if you guys haven't already i've noted temperature changes and other such things.

**Knight_Templar** · 01/28/05 10:30 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Neuro,
Very good presentation and nice photography.
My set-up is a little simpler.
I extract with as pure alcohol as possible, although, in a pinch, I have used regular 80-proof, which works well, also. I extract under heat for a few hours. I have a separate extraction vessel, which is an antique 5L Pyrex beaker. Heating greatly reduces extraction time. After filtering plant material, extract is placed into Silex coffee beaker for distillation. Adding water does increase boiling temp, as water has a higher boiling point than alcohol--this is a scientific fact.
I have tried many distillations using varying amounts of water, but, there has never been any change in amount of oil collected in distillate or the final potency of distillate. As I am dealing with only a-hol, there is no need to use a thermometer. Makes things simpler. Samples are taken of the distillate throughout process. Adding a few drops of water to sample will produce the well-known cloudiness when oil is present. I continue distillation until no more oil comes over to the other side.
If I am distilling straight from an 80-proof extract, I simply mark the receiver bottle (1L) at the 400ml point. When the distillate level approaches this, I know that water is soon to come. Change in boiling-stone noise, also, is an effective alert.
I never boil down into the muck. Again, this only causes the temp to increase and slows down the process. If I am still getting oil, and the level is low, I will add more a-hol after letting it cool down. I will also use this cool-down as an opportunity to pass solution through filter again. Most often, though, there is little or no oil left in the muck, as this is composed of what little water there is in the system and plant matter. Nearly all the oil will pass through with the a-hol. Little, if any, is left by the time you hit mud.
While I have no scientific proof of this, I do believe that a cooler distillation produces stronger distillate. Thujone is an organic molecule, and, only damage to it can occur at high temps.
I always, always distill twice. Always. There is a great difference in taste. The second distillation goes very quickly.

**spudamore** · 02/01/05 03:19 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

picture of still

**Knight_Templar** · 02/01/05 08:56 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Wow! What a beauty! :eek:

Is that the new one?
Mine is much simpler, and, not nearly as impressive:

The condensor is simply a copper coil run through
a plastic tub filled with water.
The whole set-up cost me about $20.
I find the Silex coffee maker bowl to be ideal.
The extraction beaker is much larger.
I do my extraction a little differently than what they talk about on the internet.
The beaker holds 3.5L.
I fill it about halfway with wormwood and then add about 3 liters alcohol.
I heat this for 4 hours, just below boiling point, and hook it up to the condensor. Of course, this is much too much wormwood for the amount of alcohol. Only so much oil will go into solution. Heating it will bring out more oil.
After I filter and distill that batch, I will put more alcohol into the beaker and do a second extraction.
In the winter, when I am working off reserves, I will do a third extraction. If the third distillation is not producing enough oil, I'll replace the wormwood and do a fresh extraction.
This way, I don't have to be very concerned with weighing-out wormwood.
Since the plant is so plentiful around here, I don't have to be very concerned with efficiency.
Heating during the extraction does help. Lettingt it sit for two weeks in a container is just a waste of time.

**flowstone** · 02/02/05 12:43 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

this thread is great, I went to page two and had a few questions.. if someone already answered it just tell me and I will read the whole thing :smile:

Does the quality of the vodka used to extract have a significant effect on the quality. As in, would it be worth buying expensive vodka ?. I guess if you are rich, sure.. but for the average joe... :confused:

also, what would have happened if you let the stuff extract for let's say two weeks each. Also, what is the dose-age for a good worm word experience, if there is even such a thing..

**spudamore** · 02/02/05 01:39 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

i like the small setup but just dpeends how much quantity you want to do. that one i have is a 25ltr 3 in 1 "fementer" with a super reflux condenser which can be turned into a pot still by taking out ceramic peices that sit in the right hand chamber. it has a 1000watt heater in it and makes up to 5-7 ltrs of 80%+ alcohol. and around about the same time. haven't had the chance to use it yet but can't wait too.

**neuro** · 02/02/05 08:14 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

>>Does the quality of the vodka used to extract have a significant effect on the quality. As in, would it be worth buying expensive vodka ?. I guess if you are rich, sure.. but for the average joe...

Don't use vodka at all, too much water in it. Thujone isn't very soluble in water either. You'll have a poor extraction of the thujone from wormwood plus a good extraction of an extreme amount of bitter compounds too, giving you a foul tasting drink in the end.

Use ever clear or some very high proof alcohol.

>>also, what would have happened if you let the stuff extract for let's say two weeks each.

Not to much different, with solvents in extractions two things occur, saturation of the solvent, or equilibrium between the concentration in the solvent and what's left in the leaf matter. Adding more time won't change anything. Adding heat will though.

Any of the time's i've drank absinthe I've been contented with 2 glasses. 1 shot of absinthe to 5 shots water.

**Knight_Templar** · 02/02/05 10:21 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Do not waste your money on expensive vodkas.
Alcohol is alcohol.
Run 80-proof through your still to get it as pure as possible before extraction.
I have made what I call "lazy absinthe" from 80-proof.
You can get good results, but, you've got to give it the heat.
Cook at just below boiling for several hours.
The water content is a real pain in the ass, but, in a pinch, you certainly can do this.
As far as dosage, if you've done everything right, 4 oz. of distillate will give you a good buzz. 6 oz. is plenty enough for me on a Saturday night. This is usually my cut-off point. 8 oz. and you're into Danger Land (seriously.) Be very careful with this stuff. I've been to the edge with it on many occassions, and it can get kind of scary.

**Knight_Templar** · 02/02/05 10:42 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

spudamore said:
i like the small setup but just dpeends how much quantity you want to do. that one i have is a 25ltr 3 in 1 "fementer" with a super reflux condenser

25L

Wow!!
That's something!
The small set-up may not look like much, but, will produce quite a bit of product.
Also, when broken down into its component parts, it is very compact and doesn't look like anything at all.
How is the wormwood supply in your country?

**Knight_Templar** · 02/02/05 11:52 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

There are four components to the extract:
Water
Alcohol
Oil
Dissolved plant solids
The dissolved solids have a much greater affinity for water than they do for alcohol. If your hands are dirty, for example, you will get them a lot cleaner a lot faster by washing them in water than in alcohol.
The same is true in distillation.
If there is a lot of water in the extract, the solids like to "hide" here rather than in the a-hol. If you have (nearly) all a-hol in your extract, the solids will tend to settle more quickly to the bottom of the vessel. With water, the solids will tend to remain more in solution, producing a "muddy" appearance. "Watery" extracts will cook with a very dirty, grimy appearance. 100% a-hol extracts cook a lot cleaner. "Watery" extracts also have more smell to them.
Some people think that adding water to the extract "forces" the oil into the a-hol, but, it doesn't really work that way. The main goal of distillation is to remove the dissolved plant material, and, since this material likes to dissolve in water, water should be left out of the mix as much as possible. I know there are websites which recommend this, but, in practice, it is a mistake.
If you want to test this, you can see for yourself:
Add water to extract and distill.
Now, distill again, and notice all the crud left over from the first distillation.
Next, distill extract without adding water; then, distill again.
You will notice that this time there is very little crud left over.
The all-alcohol distillation is much cleaner and carries over fewer solids.

**spudamore** · 02/02/05 02:25 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Knight_Templar said:
How is the wormwood supply in your country?

i have a little plant of artemisia but its not going to well. the price of the herbs is too much and haven't found any wild plants growing anywhere.

**Knight_Templar** · 02/02/05 05:41 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

There's supposed to be some of it in Australia.
Are you sure you can't find any of it?
It grows vigorously on landfill, and prefers fast-draining soil with lots of sun. No other plants grow with it.
Easy to distinguish.
It's very rare to find only ONE plant.
They crowd out other vegetation and grow in large numbers.

**spudamore** · 02/02/05 05:54 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

will have another look but still haven't seen any as of yet.
sounds like i need to change over the soil.
cheers.

**Knight_Templar** · 02/03/05 12:29 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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**spudamore** · 02/03/05 12:40 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

yup brought artemisia absinthium. have you ever tried or seen thuja (Thuja occidentalis) used? it has high content of thujone 60%

**Knight_Templar** · 02/03/05 12:53 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Plentiful up here, but, I never heard of anyone making a drink from it.
Have you?

**Knight_Templar** · 02/03/05 12:55 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, and definitely put the plant you have in sandy soil.
Damp potting soil will kill it. Needs to be fairly dry,
and fast-draining. It should grow very quickly.

**spudamore** · 02/03/05 03:32 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

yeah since i have had the plant it hasn't grown just stayed the same size and its been well over a month.

do you have a mixture for fast draining soil?

**Knight_Templar** · 02/03/05 08:07 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Something like half perlite and half soil. Try not to use a very rich, dark topsoil, either. Dry dirt.
Did you read anywhere that they ever make some sort of drink from
Thuja occidentalis? This is white cedar, or, Arborvitae. That would be very interesting.
Find the Artemisia growing in your area. The difference is like choosing between Cannabis Sativa and Canabis Indica... it's all the same stuff.

**Knight_Templar** · 02/05/05 12:48 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

There seems to be an obsession with reproducing "historically accurate" absinthe, exactly the way the French made it in the 19th Century. This is fine, if that's what you want to do, but, the French did not invent absinthe. Drinks based on Wormwood had been developed throughout the world long before the French had any idea what absinthe was.
I believe that anyone going to the trouble of distilling Wormwood should feel free to make whatever type of absinthe they wish. Many people don't like the taste of anise, so, I leave this out. These different flavorings are used only to mask the bitter taste of the Wormwood. If you like a mint-based drink rather than an anise-based drink, then, you shouldn't let absinthe "purists" discourage you from doing this. If you mix the distillate with water at 1:3, then, you can add the flavoring components to the water. You can make 3 liters of a mint/herbal tea and add your 1 liter of distillate; or, you can add whatever you wish to the extract and distill it through with the wormwood. There are no "rules" for making absinthe. I make whatever I think tastes good. People who make beer and wine use their imaginations to create unique beverages which suit their tastes. My suggestion is not to be swayed by absinthe "snobs" who tend to pop-up at forums like this, and to make whatever you like to drink.

**Psilocybeingzz** · 02/05/05 04:31 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Neuro, if SWIM has about 18 grams of ground wormwood, what can he do with it???

He started with an once at one point and then after not getting results from the various teas(someone told him tea would work) , and shitty iso extracts(that were eaten :tongue:

, he put it on hold.

If Swim mixes the wormwood with a high percentage alcohol and makes a basic tincture(making the tincture as strong as possible through evaporation etc), could he drink it, and get some effects???

**Psilocybeingzz** · 02/06/05 08:43 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

BUMP

**neuro** · 02/06/05 08:46 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry, for the lateness, I've been out of town for the weekend, and went on a little chemical journey last night, so any free time i would have had to read the forums, i spent talking with other travellers and looking at pictures and listening to music and what not.

If you have 18grams of ground wormwood you can use that in a little more than half a liter of grain alcohol to extract, and then add some flavoring herbs, anisette, lemon balm, coriander etc to make a home made tailored absinthe recipe.

Tea (with water) won't work.

I wouldn't steep wormwood and make a concentrated tincture, it's VERY strong and can have quite toxic effects.

**Knight_Templar** · 02/12/05 10:18 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Spudamore,
Have you fired-up that new still?
If you got it on the internet, what was the website?
Beautiful piece of equipment!!

**spudamore** · 02/12/05 06:54 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

nope not yet, on teausday i am i have to washes ready to go, about 20ltrs of 43% alcohol or half that about 95%. still have to buy a z-filter, alco-meter, flavourings, and some extra carbon. i brought it from the local brew shop, but there is a website that you can buy it from only to certain countries not including america and canada.

http://stillspirits.com/wawcs016156/distilling_equipment.html

there is a site in u.s but only sells the column

http://www.home-distilling.com/HD_PDA-1.asp

could try a New Zealand shop but they don't take any responsibility if it get seized through customs.

**spudamore** · 02/14/05 09:06 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

just been down to the brew shop and they sell absinthe essence for $8.90au thought you might be interested don't know if its the same or just the flavour.

**Knight_Templar** · 02/23/05 10:37 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

The "Absinthe Essence" sounds like a rip-off. Yeah, it probably has wormwood in it, but, you do need a good quantity to make 10L of distillate. What's with the filters, "alco-meter" and carbon? Sounds like a lot of extra money for things that aren't really necessary.
Ideally, a good vacuum filter would be nice for filtering the extract, but, after that, you don't really need any filtration. To test a-hol content, I just put a few drops on a sheet of glass and light it up: see how much water remains. That gives you a good rough estimate. Besides, you're only interested in extracting Thujone, not making pure alcohol. Just trying to keep things on the simple side, because, that's how I've always done it.

**spudamore** · 02/23/05 11:16 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

alco meter = measure alcohol content, z-filter to filter out all the nasty alcohols and the carbon goes in the z-filter. only need to buy them once except for carbon which is cheap.
that absinthe was only flavouring tujone free, bit of a bummer.
finally fired up the still over a week ago went excellent better than the last still. more effecient - less water - heats up faster - distills quicker than normal. i had over 20ltrs of 43% sitting there but came out at 10ltrs at 85%.

**neuro** · 02/24/05 07:44 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

There's an essence kit for 15$ that contains flavoring and wormwood concentrate. Normally I don't care about the no sources rule, but I won't publicly post the name of this supplier.

**Knight_Templar** · 02/25/05 09:55 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Excellent. Just remember that it's the Thujone you're after.
Try to monitor where in the process you are getting your best results for this: it's all that matters.

**Hangnail** · 03/03/05 08:56 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Here's a link to one of those so called "snobs"

connoisseur might be a better word considering what it's cost him (and his liver & kidneys) to get to this point of snobdom.

Absinthe Snob

Quote:

Sebor Absinth
Czech Republic, 55% alc. vol. (110 proof), 0.5 liter
A long time ago, I had some Sebor. At the time I remembered thinking it was atleast the better one of the Czech absinths and could be drinkable. I should never have gone back.

Even though it actually is better than any of the others, it doesn't mean it's drinkable. It could be used as a mixer maybe, but I personally wouldn't use it at all. I managed to make myself drink half the glass, as opposed to the other ones, that I just poured right down the zink after the first sip. But no. This is not good. It's not even half good. No more czech for me, ever.

**Knight_Templar** · 03/07/05 12:10 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

If you're going to the trouble of distilling your own absinthe, I think you should make it taste however you wish. Most people do NOT like the taste of anise. I couldn't care less about "traditional absinthes." They all taste like anise. Big deal. I would much rather mix the distillate with cranberry juice, about 1:2.5
It covers-up the nasty taste of the wormwood pretty well, and, it's already sweetened.

**neuro** · 03/07/05 11:06 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

If it's distilled it's not needed to cover up the taste of any bitterness from the wormwood.

**Knight_Templar** · 03/11/05 10:44 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Distillate of Wormwood has a very definite taste. If you like this taste, then, that's fine. I have done shots of straight distillate, as well as distillate mixed with varying amounts of water, and, frankly, the taste is not very pleasant. The drink is much improved by flavoring it with something, and, after trying a wide variety of mixes, I have settled on cranberry juice. It's tart and has just the right amount of sweetness. This is simply my personal preference, and, I am suggesting it for people who find straight distillate unpalatable and are not crazy about the traditional choice of anise.
Try it... you might like it. :smile:

**neuro** · 03/12/05 01:58 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

The distillate is what comes out of the condenser. It is no where near bitter, but has a distinct flavor which isn't near as putrid as what it was before it was distilled. What's left in the flask in the distilling apparatus is mainly the compounds that contribute to the bitterness. This is what i'm referring to when I talk about removing the bitter taste - the residue left in the flask after distillation is complete.

I don't like cranberry juice.

**Knight_Templar** · 03/12/05 04:19 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Well... of course, undistilled extract is simply undrinkable, and is extremely bitter. Unflavored extract of wormwood is not too appealing, and, I haven't met anyone yet who enjoys drinking it that way. So, instead of using the word "bitter" to describe the simple distillate, I'll say it tastes like "crap," and, you really need to add something to it.
Again, I am not talking about the traditional recipe of anise, hyssop, calamis, etc. I do not do that anymore. I am talking about simply flavoring the distilled extract of wormwood.
You don't like cranberry juice... fine. Whatever.
I'm just discussing alternatives to anise-flavoring.

**neuro** · 03/12/05 05:47 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I see what you mean, but simply what i'm saying is, calling it bitter or nasty or even crap would lead people to believe that distilling it is ineffective, which upon experiment one finds out simply is not true, distilling is quite effective. What it does produce, and you are correct to describe it as such, is an unflavored alcohol extract of wormwood. Which should be flavored otherwise really why would anyone want to drink it anyway. I'm simply trying to sort out the terms and produce the correct ideas about the product by those terms. That's all. Cranberry juice to me is nasty, but if you like it all the better. There's nothing wrong with exploring alternative flavorings to the extract.

**Knight_Templar** · 03/14/05 10:36 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Mint is a good alternative to anise.
Have tried this, and, it's not bad.
Distilling is essential, of course. I always recommend distilling TWICE.
Makes a big difference.

**leturheadread** · 03/17/05 11:59 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

hey i recently got an ounce of dried wormwood, i have tried absinthe before and enjoyed the experience exept the hangover(fuck sugar) anyways i want to make some absinthe but i want it to be realy strong, i would rather have a mickey worth of shit with alot of thujone then 1L of normal stuff, is this a good idea? i want the wormwood effects more then the booze. any ideas

**Knight_Templar** · 03/18/05 10:18 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

The distillate will have an alcohol purity of about 180%.
This is adjusted to taste by dillution with water.
The alcohol will only hold so much thujone.
If you are talking about trying to separate the thujone from the alcohol, my suggestion is that you forget about this, as it is too involved. The distilled extract is fine.

**st74391** · 03/19/05 11:35 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

i recently purchased 3grams of wormwood resin and was looking for sort of a coach to tell me how to enjoy it properly

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