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Changing a starter
    #23367402 - 06/21/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Had to tap the starter in my 99 civic to get it going today. How worried should I be about putting in a new one?


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: danielx]
    #23367407 - 06/21/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Why would you be worried?  It is changing a starter, not defusing a ticking bomb.  You'll be fine.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: California]
    #23367409 - 06/21/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Im not worried about the physical act of changing a starter, im worried about not changing the starter, because im cheap and lazy. It starts fine now, but I dont want to get stranded one day with a completely fucked starter.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: danielx]
    #23367414 - 06/21/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You are going to feel cheaper and lazier when you have to walk for miles or pay for a cab once your starter dies.

Is it a manual Civic?  Park it facing downhill and pop-start it until you get it properly fixed.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: California]
    #23367417 - 06/21/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

nah its automatic. I was just wondering how pressing the situation is, considering its working now. Does that 100% mean its going bad?


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: danielx]
    #23367427 - 06/21/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

if you have to tap it to make it work that does mean 100% it is going bad.  Is it the original starter?  You should probably save yourself some time and trouble and try to get a new one in ASAP if you are going to keep the vehicle and use it.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: California]
    #23367436 - 06/21/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I just had to tap it this morning. Ive turned it over3 times since then no problem. Its probably about time I bought it at 150k miles and put another 100k on myself. Doubt the original owner already changed the starter.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: danielx]
    #23367443 - 06/21/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Just remember, that with shit like this, it is going to go completely out when you need it most.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: California]
    #23367462 - 06/21/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

fuck I know...


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: danielx]
    #23367583 - 06/21/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If it works when tapped it is missing a tooth or more in the gear,,, it's like russian roulette when starting.  Never put off auto problems, they will always lead to much worse problems.  Trust me, I was a procrastinator like you and learned the hard, expensive way.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: danielx]
    #23367813 - 06/21/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Japanese cars are notoriously hard to work on cause everything is super compact inside.

But the starter is usually located under the car, so it shouldnt be too hard to get out.

I would recommend going online and buying a repair manual for your Civic (if they exist).


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23367836 - 06/21/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Japanese cars are notoriously hard to work on cause everything is super compact inside.







I would actually highly disagree, japanese cars are pretty much on par with american cars in terms of repairability. European cars on the other hand.... lets just say NEVER buy a european car if you plan on working on it yourself or are buying it used/out of warranty.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23367854 - 06/21/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Japanese cars are notoriously hard to work on cause everything is super compact inside.

But the starter is usually located under the car, so it shouldnt be too hard to get out.

I would recommend going online and buying a repair manual for your Civic (if they exist).



This is when "How To" videos on YouTube are helpful.


I can change the starter on all of your vehicles thanks to youtube.:cookiemonster:


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #23367855 - 06/21/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

To the op - I would also recommend you get it fixed asap. One problem always leads to another with cars, and if you wait to get anything done you will end up with a huge bill to pay all at once ime.


Go buy a new starter, watch a few youtube videos on how to change it out for your specific car, and do it yourself. Should only cost about 150-300$ depending on how much the starter is gonna run ya. Make sure before you do any serious car work though that you have the proper tools to do it! A 100$ toolkit from craftsman or whatever brand you prefer will have EVERY tool you will realistically use on a car, both american/japanese or european.\


Also the most important piece of advise I can give is MAKE SURE IT'S ACTUALLY YOUR STARTER THAT'S BAD - For all you know it could just be a loose or corroded battery connection, a mere 10-20$ repair instead of a much more expensive one. It exhibits the exact same signs of a bad starter.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #23367868 - 06/21/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

And disconnect the negative terminal from the battery before doing anything.


But yeah OP, if you have to tap it to get it to start, chances are its going bad sooner or later. Better to be proactive on that shit. Starters are pretty damn easy to replace.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #23367967 - 06/21/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Japanese cars are notoriously hard to work on cause everything is super compact inside.



I would actually highly disagree, japanese cars are pretty much on par with american cars in terms of repairability. European cars on the other hand.... lets just say NEVER buy a european car if you plan on working on it yourself or are buying it used/out of warranty.



QFT.

OP - I have a service manual for a '99 civic (know the things like the back of my hand). A starter from eBay will be cheap, and the job reasonably simple with the service manual to hand and some basic tools. PM me if you want a copy.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: Gottaloveacid] * 1
    #23367995 - 06/21/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Why you gotta talk smack about European cars? I only drive German cars and I do 80% of the work on them myself.
The stuff I don't is like the stuff that requires highly specialized / super expensive tools and knowledge.

Yeah older cars are generally easier to work on.. but with the right basic tools and a proper scan cable.. you can still do a large portion of repairs/upgrades/diagnostics yourself even on modern cars, depending on your knowledge.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: Shroomism]
    #23368030 - 06/21/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The stuff I don't is like the stuff that requires highly specialized / super expensive tools and knowledge.





This, along with the fact that they do a LOT of sleezy things to FORCE you to have to go into their repair shops. Mercedes is probably the best example of this. Did you know some current mercedes benz models acutally use brakes that are like .25cm too small, causing the rotors to wear in such a way that every time you replace your brakes, you have to replace the rotors as well?

Plus they put in WAY more parts into european cars - mostly computers - which tend to fail very easily. The more parts the car has, the more chances the car will need repairs. Most of these computer systems are tied together as well, and if one fails your entire car might not even work.

The funniest thing was when BMW tried (correction, they DID) to make cars without a fucking DIPSTICK LOL!!!!!!! Now why do you think they would do that?

Don't get me wrong though, I love european cars. It's just when it comes down to repairabiltiy, they are far more difficult and expensive to fix when compared to their american and japanese counterparts.

Take a look at this video -






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Re: Changing a starter [Re: Shroomism]
    #23368086 - 06/21/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The stuff I don't is like the stuff that requires highly specialized / super expensive tools and knowledge.



This, coupled with the seeming lack of 'common sense' that goes into their design. I swore off working on European cars after spending a day and a half changing a lower wishbone on a mates Alpha Romeo - I could've done that job in an hour or two on a Honda.

And then I went and bought a Ducati...

They really just are not as much of a pleasure to work on. What they lack in that aspect however, they make up for in driveability.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: Shroomism]
    #23368815 - 06/22/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I found cheap no name starters for around $60-80 on ebay

Should I worry about putting a cheap no name starter in my car? Does anyone have experience rebuilding a starter? I read you can sometimes just replace the solenoid or brushes inside. At $60 for a brand new starter though hard to beat that.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: danielx]
    #23368822 - 06/22/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

OP, starter's are very very easy to change, especially in Jap cars. don't sweat it... pull up a youtube video and get to work. That's what I did on my mitsubishi... although i also had to check with the Factory Service Manual.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: danielx]
    #23368823 - 06/22/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Don't worry about pattern parts, they're fine. Genuine Honda parts a very expensive anyway. And I wouldn't advise rebuilding if you're weary about just replacing.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23368824 - 06/22/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't even bother rebuilding it, they are just too easy to buy a new one complete and know it works. I think you can even get a core charge for the old one...


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: 404]
    #23368892 - 06/22/16 02:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I found cheap no name starters for around $60-80 on ebay

Should I worry about putting a cheap no name starter in my car? Does anyone have experience rebuilding a starter? I read you can sometimes just replace the solenoid or brushes inside. At $60 for a brand new starter though hard to beat that.





Buying a generic model is risky as u dont know the quality of the parts inisde the starter. I would get the most expensive generic if possible.

Its better than your original thats dieing :shrug:

I would not bother rebuilding it, just buy a new one.


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Re: Changing a starter [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23368895 - 06/22/16 02:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

duralast makes quality parts. DO NOT ORDER ONLINE. it just complicates things, go to Autozone or Advance Auto Parts. if it goes bad, they have your info on file and you can switch it out for a new part.


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