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Looking good?
#23365801 - 06/21/16 04:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey, i birthed my first brf cakes about 2 weeks ago. All of the 4 cakes are PES Amazonian.
The one with mushrooms growing on, was birthed about 2 weeks ago.
 The other 3 cakes were birthed around 8-10 days ago.
  
I see a few pins on the blooming one, so it should be healthy, right? Do they look healthy? And could somebody tell me, why one of the cakes are blooming with white(mycelium?)?
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23366470 - 06/21/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The mycelium is growing out due to high humidity.
Your grow looks good, just make sure you're getting plenty of fresh air exchange and you should be seeing those cakes explode with fruits any minute.
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23367877 - 06/21/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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How would i go about increasing the FAE? I read somewhere, that fanning sgfc's were a bad idea, is this true? Also, the cake which has made 3 shrooms doesn't seem to have any more pins :O Should i harvest the 3, when ready and wait for more?
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23369008 - 06/22/16 04:12 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The newly formed pins, seems to be a bit pale :P Should i worry or do they look normal?
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23369237 - 06/22/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fanning is not FAE, unless you are fanning every 10-15 minutes. Fanning dosen't hurt anything right after misting, but really dosen't help either. If you built your sgfc to spec (1/4" holes 2" apart on all 6 sides elivated off the surface it's sitting on and 4-6" of perlite) you're good. SGFC's have plenty of FAE, they are riddled with holes.
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NDStepp84 said: Fanning is not FAE, unless you are fanning every 10-15 minutes. Fanning dosen't hurt anything right after misting, but really dosen't help either. If you built your sgfc to spec (1/4" holes 2" apart on all 6 sides elivated off the surface it's sitting on and 4-6" of perlite) you're good. SGFC's have plenty of FAE, they are riddled with holes.
This is what my sgfc currently looks like(old pic):

Doesn't it seem fine? Thanks
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23370917 - 06/22/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks like you could use a couple more inches of perlite, other than that
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NDStepp84 said: Looks like you could use a couple more inches of perlite, other than that 
Great  I harvested the 3 shrooms from my first birthed cake:
 Should i dunk(and probably roll again :P) or just let the cake sit, and see if more pins form?
Also the blooming cake's pins still seem pale and pretty unnatural  Could somebody tell me, if these pins seem normal?


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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23372655 - 06/23/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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pins look normal to me buddy, good luck with the rest of the grow 
btw, still looks real dry to me. see how the myc seems to be reaching out? its searching for air or suffocating from co2. or both. not sure as im no expert. but i know reaching myc needs fae.
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MycoLoopology said: pins look normal to me buddy, good luck with the rest of the grow 
btw, still looks real dry to me. see how the myc seems to be reaching out? its searching for air or suffocating from co2. or both. not sure as im no expert. but i know reaching myc needs fae.
I don't think the cakes are dry, maybe except the first birthed cake(harvested). I did a pretty bad job with the verm on that first one :P Therefore i was wondering, if dunking and rolling it again, would make sense? Or would you recommend just waiting and see, if any more pins form?
Would running a fan in my room help increase FAE?
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23372854 - 06/23/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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A fan in the room will disrupt the natural air currents of a sgfc and dry out your cakes, dunk after flushes, but don't roll again.
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NDStepp84 said: A fan in the room will disrupt the natural air currents of a sgfc and dry out your cakes, dunk after flushes, but don't roll again.
Okay! I know that you usually don't roll again after a flush, but considering the almost non-existent layer of verm on the one cake, wouldn't it be beneficial? Should i just dunk the cake, which produced 3 small fruits?
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23373030 - 06/23/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have heard it mentioned that re rolling can cover up contaminations that have landed on the cakes and make a good micro climate for them to germinate and the mycellium gets weaker after each flush not able to fend them off as much as new cakes.
If they are no more mushrooms growing I'd consider that a flush and go ahead and dunk it.
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Hopefully you got more perlite in that SGFC like NDStepp84 said. With that little amount it's not going to perform ideally. Which may be why other are pointing out problems with the way the myc looks. Just my two cents. Good luck!
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BLINKfan420 said: Hopefully you got more perlite in that SGFC like NDStepp84 said. With that little amount it's not going to perform ideally. Which may be why other are pointing out problems with the way the myc looks. Just my two cents. Good luck!
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Thanks for your two cents  I actually put in more perlite since that picture, which is about a month old, if i remember correctly. I will post a new picture of my sgfc later. How would i go about adding more perlite, when the cakes are fruiting? Is this possible?
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23373735 - 06/23/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes easily possible.
Hydrate your new perlite and get it ready to pour into the SGFC.
Take the cakes out of the SGFC on their pieces of foil and set them aside. They'll be fine for a short while outside the SGFC. (30 min or so)
Then just pour in the new hydrated perlite.
No tricks or anything here. You're probably just over thinking it. =)
The same goes if you want to rehydrate ALL of the perlite. Which depending on how long it's been a there, might be a good idea. I forget how long perlite stays hydrated but I don't think it's more than a couple months.
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Re: Looking good? [Re: Cheeseus]
#23373948 - 06/23/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yup, to expand on what other's have said abotu the perlite, i would fill it up to where it would be right at the second line of holes if you havent already done so. also, do as BLINK said for adding more/re-hydrating. if you havent already, i would rehydrate what was already in there, since it has been a month. although, since it was such a small amoutn of perlite, it probably would make little difference, you know?it was just an inch, and you will be putting about 4 more inch's worth in.
looking good so far, though! good job, and good luck
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Thanks for the tips  Maybe i was just overthinking it :P I will try to hydrate the perlite tonight and add some more, if neccessary tomorrow. This is what it look like currently:

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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23374021 - 06/23/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, i would add more perlite, for sure you want 4-5in in it. but looking good, otherwise.
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23374027 - 06/23/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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nornor said: Thanks for the tips  Maybe i was just overthinking it :P I will try to hydrate the perlite tonight and add some more, if neccessary tomorrow. This is what it look like currently:

Thanks
not bad, not bad. now maybe its just my eyes... but i dont see holes on ALL sides. are there holes on all sides? including the bottom of the tub?
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23375149 - 06/23/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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NDStepp84t is telling you right. 
When misting your cakes in a sfc it's good to really soak them down every couple of days or so and then give them a chance to dry a little. Mist until water drips out the bottom of the chamber, that way you know the perlite is at maximum saturation. Remember that the perlite does not actually soak up any water and the water rest on the outside of the kernel. I would keep a piece of plastic under the sfc to catch the droplets of water and of course clean and rinse the perlite completely between batches of cakes or at least once monthly .
This is effective because it keeps your perlite hydrated so that it can perform it's function properly. Secondly and possibly even more beneficial will be the fact that your cakes will have an opportunity to undergo a process known as transpiration which is key to monster flushes.
Let me also warn those that may read this and want to go soak their sfc down right now, don't. Keeping your fungus on somewhat of a regular watering schedule is another important part of obtaining a decent yield. Knowing when to water and how much can be one of the trickiest aspects of the hobby to master.
Also as far as a single dry cake goes, you can always grab a saucer or a plastic lid or something and set the cake on it and then fill with water, if the cake is thirsty it will drink it.
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23375288 - 06/23/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those pale pins look that way because each fruit begins with a universal veil common in psilocybes. It'll wear away as the fruits grow. Some species have a pellicle instead of the universal veil which serves to protect the fruit body as it pushes up off and out of the substrate. Kind of the same deal. If your pins go nuts, you can literally wake up one morning and it's gone. Careful not to mist pins or fruits.
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mupetmower said: yeah, i would add more perlite, for sure you want 4-5in in it. but looking good, otherwise.
Okay, i'll add some more perlite today  The blooming cake seems to be pinning everywhere 
 
Also some pins appeared on the other small cake:

The 2nd big cake hasn't pinned at all, yet. It was the last birthed cake too.
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23376249 - 06/24/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Replace the foil while you're in there adding perlite. That standing verm and water can lead to contams. Get any stray perlite off your cakes. Wash your hands and use nitrile gloves and gently place the cakes out on a fresh piece of aluminum foil during transfer. Myc also eats foil. That spiky stuff in the 2nd pic is a small bacterial contam so don't dunk it with other cakes. Or just knots forming for pins. Looks good.
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Re: Looking good? [Re: Adden]
#23376280 - 06/24/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Adden said: Replace the foil while you're in there adding perlite. That standing verm and water can lead to contams. Get any stray perlite off your cakes. Wash your hands and use nitrile gloves and gently place the cakes out on a fresh piece of aluminum foil during transfer. Myc also eats foil. That spiky stuff in the 2nd pic is a small bacterial contam so don't dunk it with other cakes. Or just knots forming for pins. Looks good.
Thanks alot! I will replace the foil, when adding more perlite  I always dunk the cakes separately, mainly because they get harvested at different times :p I'm also a bit concerned about the green on the top, on the small cake :/
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23376284 - 06/24/16 06:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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what green? i just see blue, likely bruising
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I added all the perlite i had left, but still doesn't seem like enough, right?

The shrooms are growing strong on one of the big cakes
 But not so much on the other :P

Also, pins are showing on the small cake

Should i still add more perlite?
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23380068 - 06/25/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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ehh, it'll prolly do fine.
those pins are looking great, though!
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i keep hearing people say more perlite is better so im assuming thats the case, but it looks fine to me buddy good luck, its looking like its about to produce some good ole mushies (;
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So after a great harvest on the 2nd small cake, the mushrooms on the 2nd big cake doesn't seem to grow. The pins are also dark.

 
Is this caused by too much contact with water? Maybe some water had collected on the tinfoil and soaked the pins? Anyways, they don't really seem to grow anymore.
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23390292 - 06/28/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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how long since those pins appeared? for a few days after they appear(sometimes almost a week) they will seem like they are either growing very, very slow, or almost not growing at all. but then, they eventually start to shoot up. they dont look aborted or anything, so maybe they just need a few more days to start growing rapidly.
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mupetmower said: how long since those pins appeared? for a few days after they appear(sometimes almost a week) they will seem like they are either growing very, very slow, or almost not growing at all. but then, they eventually start to shoot up. they dont look aborted or anything, so maybe they just need a few more days to start growing rapidly.
I believe they've been there for about a week. I actually see some small new pins, so i'll wait and see  The small cake, which made 2 mushrooms on first flush, doesn't seem to be overly happy about the circumstances :P I think i might try to reroll after next harvest and dunk, even though this might give better conditions for contam growth. Is this worth a try or not worth the risk?
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23390771 - 06/28/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i wouldnt.
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23391546 - 06/28/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't roll again.
Clean those rotting pins off of your cake.
When dunking your cakes give them a gentle squeeze, if they fall apart they are contaminated, if they feel spongy they are spent and will be hard pressed to produce any more fruit.
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george castanza said: Don't roll again.
Clean those rotting pins off of your cake.
When dunking your cakes give them a gentle squeeze, if they fall apart they are contaminated, if they feel spongy they are spent and will be hard pressed to produce any more fruit.
okay, thanks. Which rotting pins are you reffering to? I wont roll again and i will try to squeeze the cakes gently, when dunking next time
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23399463 - 06/30/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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nornor said: So after a great harvest on the 2nd small cake, the mushrooms on the 2nd big cake doesn't seem to grow. The pins are also dark.

 
Is this caused by too much contact with water? Maybe some water had collected on the tinfoil and soaked the pins? Anyways, they don't really seem to grow anymore.
Any ideas?
Pins that are not growing and turning dark are usually rotting. It is good to remove rotting pins and throw them away.
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nornor said: So after a great harvest on the 2nd small cake, the mushrooms on the 2nd big cake doesn't seem to grow. The pins are also dark.

 
Is this caused by too much contact with water? Maybe some water had collected on the tinfoil and soaked the pins? Anyways, they don't really seem to grow anymore.
Any ideas?
Pins that are not growing and turning dark are usually rotting. It is good to remove rotting pins and throw them away.
They started growing 2 days later  Biggest harvest yet :O The 2 mushrooms grew so much over the last few days and the cake is now dunked.
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
#23402184 - 07/01/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well then it must be time to update us with a pic so that all of us can share in your joy my mushroom brother.
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george castanza said: Pins that are not growing and turning dark are usually rotting. It is good to remove rotting pins and throw them away.
I know it's one in a million and dependent on many factors, but I had a black pinset that stalled for a week. I was about to remove them and they turned into the photo below in 4 days.
You can tell they still weren't right and slightly bacterial, but I'm very glad I didn't remove them. It's really only when you gently brush a clean finger across it and you get a smudge that you should pull them.
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george castanza said: Well then it must be time to update us with a pic so that all of us can share in your joy my mushroom brother.
Ohh, I didn't even get to take a picture :/ Now they're dried and in a closed jar, for storage  They totalled at 4,5g dried from that cake 
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Re: Looking good? [Re: nornor]
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Not a bad haul from a cake, enjoy
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