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InvisibleJokeshopbeard
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If you say you love someone...
    #23365212 - 06/20/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

...and then later say that you don't love them anymore, then I would argue that you never truly loved them in the first place.

Agree/disagree?

Please add any thoughts or reasoning you might have, would love to hear your opinions on this.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23365265 - 06/20/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I love you JokeShopBeard


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23365508 - 06/21/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

disagree. love is a state of mind, and like everything else, dynamic and subject to change. love is just a chemical bonding between two people or other things by the release of oxytocin anyway.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: 404]
    #23366149 - 06/21/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I disagree. Love has stages, from the first infatuation period where you can't keep your hands off of each other or can't stand to be apart to the later chilled out bonded "life partner" period where you just cohabitate and become less intimate but more open with each other.

In between, there can be a lot of interference from things that tend to break that love down. Some may be just small disagreements while others may be infidelity, drug addiction or alcoholism, maybe chronic lying...the latter group I refer to as "direct hits" A loving relationship can only take so many direct hits before the love turns to indifference....indifference being the true opposite of love. In other words, life itself is hard enough on relationships but when we throw in major fuck ups, love has a difficult time surviving.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23367553 - 06/21/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I like to believe love is something greater than something you stumble upon, or work for. In that sense I would agree, but in the more human sense I'd say no because most people have no idea what they want, regardless of what story their expression, or action, tells. All that being said, my wife could do a lot and I would still love her, even if she managed to cross the line somehow. Not everyone is built that way. At any rate, I may be an optimist but I'm also willing to see what angle people are playing. Not knowing any further details, if someone said something like that to me after all those years, I'd hear someone who can't handle their own regrets.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Sheekle]
    #23367563 - 06/21/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
...and then later say that you don't love them anymore, then I would argue that you never truly loved them in the first place.

Agree/disagree?

Please add any thoughts or reasoning you might have, would love to hear your opinions on this.



I disagree.  People can completely change into different people.  As such, you may have fell in love with one, and out with the other.  You did love that version of a person, but they changed into something else and now you do not love them.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Sheekle]
    #23367564 - 06/21/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Sheekle said:
I love you JokeShopBeard



I love you, man.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: California]
    #23367891 - 06/21/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
People can completely change into different people.  As such, you may have fell in love with one, and out with the other.  You did love that version of a person, but they changed into something else and now you do not love them.



True, but what if this happened with your mother/father/sibling(s)? They could change quite drastically due to some massive life event; would it then stop you loving them?


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Sheekle]
    #23367892 - 06/21/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Sheekle said:
I love you JokeShopBeard



Thanks Sheeks. Back at ya brother.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #23368136 - 06/21/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:laugh2:


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: koods]
    #23368319 - 06/21/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Oh god... I've been trolled by a mod!


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23368355 - 06/21/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
People can completely change into different people.  As such, you may have fell in love with one, and out with the other.  You did love that version of a person, but they changed into something else and now you do not love them.



True, but what if this happened with your mother/father/sibling(s)? They could change quite drastically due to some massive life event; would it then stop you loving them?




yes, yes it would.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23368520 - 06/21/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Agree.  Or at least I used to and quite stubbornly at that

And I think that concept is what caused me most of my turmoil

Logically and realistically, California is probably right


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Masked] * 1
    #23368561 - 06/21/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Masked said:
Logically and realistically, California is probably right



I do agree with this, in the sense that most people operate in this manner (i.e. logically).

However;

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Masked said:
Agree.  Or at least I used to and quite stubbornly at that



I think stubbornness has little to do with it. I just think unconditional love is such a foreign notion to us due to the cultural imprint/programming of what love really is. Perhaps it might feel like stubbornness due to the battle between heart and mind that often rages in us?

Love doesn't follow logic IMO; logic is a product of the mind, love a product of the heart - I do not believe that love can be rational, or rationalised. As a good friend said to me just yesterday:

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99% of people wouldn't know what love was if it hit them over the head



IME - I have to agree with him.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23368645 - 06/21/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If your GF severely burns her face and grows a dick will you still love her?
Romantic love is so superficial it seems.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23368657 - 06/21/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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If your GF severely burns her face and grows a dick will you still love her?



Unconditional love for another, IMO, is entirely separate from being compatible with, or wanting to live with or become intimate with said other.

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Love_spirit said:
Romantic love is so superficial it seems.



Indeed, it does seem so.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23368831 - 06/22/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
...and then later say that you don't love them anymore, then I would argue that you never truly loved them in the first place.

Agree/disagree?

Please add any thoughts or reasoning you might have, would love to hear your opinions on this.




It depends on how you loved them.

If you tell someone you love them because you want to make yourself feel good, it's a selfish kind of love.

If you tell someone you love them because you want them to feel good, it's a selfless kind of love.

If someone says they loved you but doesn't anymore, it probably means they only cared about how you made them feel, not about how you felt.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23368834 - 06/22/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
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Anonymous said:
People can completely change into different people.  As such, you may have fell in love with one, and out with the other.  You did love that version of a person, but they changed into something else and now you do not love them.



True, but what if this happened with your mother/father/sibling(s)? They could change quite drastically due to some massive life event; would it then stop you loving them?





you are talking about two things, love and loyalty.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: 404]
    #23368842 - 06/22/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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404 said:
you are talking about two things, love and loyalty.



Not at all. Perhaps that is how you have interpreted my words, but I guarantee you in my mind I know very well the separation between love and loyalty and I am not referring to the latter in the slightest.


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Re: If you say you love someone... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23368852 - 06/22/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I think you are missing something in your own words and beliefs. From what it seems like, you feel like some level of loyalty should come with love, especially with your comments on family, which I would agree with. This is not always the case, I've been pushed away by family plenty of times. I don't believe in a lot of it, even though I conduct myself in a different manner than how i'm treated in regards to family... for a majority of the instances that is.


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