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All white not always all good
    #23364719 - 06/20/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Just putting this out there. i had 14 qt jars of GT beautifully colonized and about to be spawned. When I went to break them up on a bike tire they wouldn't break up. I mean I banged the shit out of them and a thin layer of white came off the outside and the whole thing maybe got a line or two of disassembly but beyond that, I couldn't get them to separate. I got on here and looked around and got mixed reviews. After about an hour I went back to them and already trich revealed itself. Every single one of them. Also, the sides and bottom of the grain looked fine but the tops all had white cotton like puff across it. IDK if that makes a difference but I thought I would put my experience out there. I have had success at every stage so far except for colonizing a mono fully and fruiting. Contam every time. It's in my spawn, I know. And for the record I was using two layers of micropore tape as a filter on all of them. It's tyvek from here on out. So here you all go. Hope this helps someone in the future.


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: Will7401]
    #23364760 - 06/20/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

What makes you think its trick?  White cotton-like fluff sounds an awful lot like mycelium to me.  Better be careful man, it might get infected with mushrooms next....


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: Kenetic]
    #23364809 - 06/20/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

He said after he broke them up trich revealed itself.


How old were the jars? I've had them bruise blue if I wait a while to spawn them.


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: Kenetic]
    #23364814 - 06/20/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well, the trich showed up about an hour after I tried to break them up. I don't necessarily know if the white fluffy is trich or not. I was trying to give as much info as possible.


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: Will7401]
    #23364821 - 06/20/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I thought you meant it turned green after you shook it. So you shook it and it fluffy white? Can you take some pictures


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: Easyriding123] * 1
    #23364865 - 06/20/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Any time a jar is that hard to break up it's no good.  You can break up a healthy jar of cube spawn against your palm if you wanted to.


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23364945 - 06/20/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

That's not true.  I have to tap the jars for a while to break them up and they spawn to coir without a prob.  After a few taps the "cake" will get a good crack in it and I just break it up enough to get it out of the jar, then crumble it with my hands while I mix with cvg.  And its almost always fluffy white. 
If you keep messing with your spawn it won't like you much.  I leave my jars alone until I see about 30℅ then I shake and that's it until its done.  If a jar is lagging behind the others toward the end I'll shake it again, but it doesn't happen often. 
If your jars are done spawn them now.  You don't have to consolidate spawn.  And I doubt you have trich


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: Kenetic]
    #23364976 - 06/20/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yes it is true, most all spawn is bacterial to a certain degree, jars heavy with bacteria are hard to break up, just because it's bacterial dosen't mean it won't colonize bulk just fine and fruit, it will but yield will be affected and may weaken the myc enough for mold to take over eventually.


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23365001 - 06/20/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I would fruit it.  I think you are just bugging out about your grow.  Fruit that shit.


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23365008 - 06/20/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Any time a jar is that hard to break up it's no good.  You can break up a healthy jar of cube spawn against your palm if you wanted to.




Not at all my good man, every jar I've ever had I've had to beat like it robbed me.

I use my weight bench and not a tire though. I recently broke up 2 half gallon jars and it wasn't as easy as smacking it against my palm.

It sounded like I was killing someone upstairs :tongue2:


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: Myko Fanatikos]
    #23365034 - 06/20/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like you guys have a bad case of dirty spawn denial
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Cubensis mycelium is usually not that hard to break up unless it's contaminated with bacteria.  If you've banged it against a tire or phone book and it's not breaking up, you're probably screwed.  Be sure to give it the smell test before using if you dig it out.  Definitely don't G2G with it.
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That should be fine. I mix my spawn and sub with my bare hands so I cant see a knife or spoon being a problem but if your jars are that hard to break up they may already be contaminated.


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If it's hard to break up, it's probably bacteria unless you have enough popped grains  to make everything sticky



So unless it's a really old jar of spawn or your grain prep sucks it's bacteria:shrug:


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23365044 - 06/20/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Damn, good job.  All my jars are like that and I don't have probs until after the second flush. 
I do my grain prep just like RR. 
I still say fruit it.


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: Kenetic]
    #23365073 - 06/20/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I've never had a contaminated man. No denial here, if it was so easy why would RR recommend a bike tire?

I don't see anything about smacking it with your hand in any of those quotes.

I also said I used my weight bench, a little padding but not much give. It makes things a little harder. I fill my jars to the brim as well so there isn't much room to get it started breaking up.


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: Myko Fanatikos]
    #23365091 - 06/20/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Uh because it's dangerous to smack glass against your hand? Lol no ones recommending to break it up that way, just saying clean spawn is easy to break up. If you say you never had a contamination either your a complete noob or a liar, everyone gets contaminations if they have done more than a handful of grows. Still might get some fruits from it, but the fuzzing up in an hour is concerning, no way cube myc is recovering from a shake that fast. Could case and fruit out of the jar.


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: Kenetic]
    #23365094 - 06/20/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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White cotton-like fluff sounds an awful lot like mycelium to me.




There are contaminants that have thick white mycelium though. In my experience they smell bad and has a spongy texture that is impossible to break apart by whacking the jar, no idea what its called though.


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: weetsie] * 1
    #23365183 - 06/20/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Throw some on agar and fruit the rest.  Super hard cube spawn is likely meshed with bacteria.  Characteristics are way different.


Fluffy myc is likely a response to higher O2. It's increasing surface area to absorb more for the colony.  It's also at the edge of the substrate. Each top kernel will attempt radial growth looking for more grub

Pics always help though :shrug:


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23365258 - 06/20/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I've had cobweb twice and some other nasty shit, all my clean jars were no daisy when it came to breaking the up sir.
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Uh because it's dangerous to smack glass against your hand? Lol no ones recommending to break it up that way, just saying clean spawn is easy to break up. If you say you never had a contamination either your a complete noob or a liar, everyone gets contaminations if they have done more than a handful of grows. Still might get some fruits from it, but the fuzzing up in an hour is concerning, no way cube myc is recovering from a shake that fast. Could case and fruit out of the jar.




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Re: All white not always all good [Re: Myko Fanatikos]
    #23365321 - 06/20/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry if I confused anyone. I only have one pic for now. So here's what went down. All the jars made on 6/1 were beautiful and white on the bottom and all the way around. On the top of the grain was a really bright white fluffy growth. I wasn't really saying that part was contam, just giving data. Now, when I went to hit them on the tire I had to bang the shit out of them with little to no results on most as far as breaking up goes. What did happen with these was a thin layer of white was removed from the outer surface area and the entire thing could now slide up and down in the jar. Three of them broke up a little but damn my arm got tired. So I left them alone for about an hour. When I came back to them, there were green spots growing on the ones that never broke up and the ones that did had green growing vigorously on the loose grain. What I'm saying is it wasn't there during or right after the assault. An hour later, Kaboom, green stuff everywhere. It happened fast. I'm glad this happened though because at least now I know that bright white spawn doesn't necessarily mean clean spawn. If the contam reveals itself that fast after breaking up the grain, I may just start breaking it up and walking away for half a day before I rehydrate the grain and spawn. Everything I have spawned to date has contaminated with  thin, grayish white fluff that spreads quickly and then turns into ugly green shit, once it has been spawned, colonized and cased. I was thinking this was being introduced by the casing layer but now I see that it very well could've been my spawn even though it looked clean. Here's the pic. I'll try to get some more to you guys soon. This pic is pre-attempted breakup, btw. My shrooming expedition that I posted in the Identification forum ate up a lot of my memory and I just haven't deleted the photos yet after posting them here.


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: Will7401]
    #23365436 - 06/21/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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In my experience, you can SMELL contaminants on the grains, but many of the common molds that occur also have a white mycelium that can be difficult to distinguish from cubensis myc.




What does it smell like? cubensis mycelium smells like earthy mushrooms while contaminants typically smell very unpleasant.

The rhizomorphs in those jars though... really looks like healthy mycelium to me, sucks if they are contaminated.


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Re: All white not always all good [Re: NDStepp84] * 1
    #23365456 - 06/21/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Any time a jar is that hard to break up it's no good.  You can break up a healthy jar of cube spawn against your palm if you wanted to.



:whathesaid:

If it's hard to break up no good. I've never had a healthy jar I couldn't shake without a problem just using my hands and palm. In 3 years I've never once broke a jar at all even the ones I had to bang, and the ones I had to bang no good


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