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MajickMuffin
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Peyote Lemon Tek?
#23364469 - 06/20/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is there any way to potentiate Peyote?
I have 2 dried 6yo peyotes, im not sure what the dried weight is but its between 1.5-3g if I remember correctly.
I want to get a trip out of it...I am irregularly sensitive to substances for the most part.
Are their any drugs, chemicals, or anything that could potentiate the cactus for me? Citrus does not work the same way for Peyote as it does for mushrooms?
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impatientguy
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Some lemon juice would make the mescaline more water soluable so you can make a better tea
Look up and see if some MAOIs would how potentate mescaline.
Are those mushrooms laughing gym mushrooms in your signature?
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The mushrooms in my signature are Gymnopilus Luteus.
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That's really cool
I find it interesting how many active species there are. Especially since before I used to only think there was only one. Lol
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I think the idea behind the Lemon Tek is to get psilocybin to break down into Psilocin (which happens anyway in your gut through phosphorylation in your stomach acids) so that it more rapidly onsets and hitsharder because it's already reached the final more active state.
As with Mescaline, I don't think the citric acids would have the same effect. MAOI's would be worth a look into, I suppose it's possible given that mescaline is closely related to other catecholamines like dopamine and nor/epinephrine given the phenethylamine structure, so given that much information you would want to look into substances that inhibit MAO-B. MAO-A is what breaks down tryptamines
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Re: Peyote Lemon Tek? [Re: 404]
#23365314 - 06/20/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It also drops the ph of the water, which results in a better extraction of water soluable alkaloids.
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I doubt it would make any marginal difference all things considered, but who knows, I could be wrong. Your stomach acid is typically stronger than what you would find in a lemon.
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MajickMuffin said: Is there any way to potentiate Peyote?
I have 2 dried 6yo peyotes, im not sure what the dried weight is but its between 1.5-3g if I remember correctly.
I want to get a trip out of it...I am irregularly sensitive to substances for the most part.
Are their any drugs, chemicals, or anything that could potentiate the cactus for me? Citrus does not work the same way for Peyote as it does for mushrooms?
Dried peyote ranges in potency from 1-6% mescaline. This means that if you have 3g of material you have between 30mg and 180mg of mescaline. At the very most you have enough for some very light effects, but it's possible that you won't get any effects at all. https://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_sanpedro_potency_faq.shtml
I believe you can potentiate mescaline with an MAOi, but you'll have to research that on your own, as I don't know much about it.
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Edited by healing (06/20/16 11:52 PM)
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Re: Peyote Lemon Tek? [Re: 404]
#23366164 - 06/21/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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404 said: I doubt it would make any marginal difference all things considered, but who knows, I could be wrong. Your stomach acid is typically stronger than what you would find in a lemon.
Lol I don't think you understand what I was saying.
The lemon acid helps extract mescaline and psilocybin and all water soluable alkaloids by lowering the ph letting the alkaloids be more readily dissolved.
Lemon juice doesn't potentate anything it just makes for a better extraction.
Edited by impatientguy (06/21/16 09:28 AM)
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Im going to grind them up and put into capsules if I can, or make tea if the grindings arent fine enough.
Ill just potentiate it with LSD or Weed. Lol.
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404 said: I doubt it would make any marginal difference all things considered, but who knows, I could be wrong. Your stomach acid is typically stronger than what you would find in a lemon.
Lol I don't think you understand what I was saying.
The lemon acid helps extract mescaline and psilocybin and all water soluable alkaloids by lowering the ph letting the alkaloids be more readily dissolved.
Lemon juice doesn't potentate anything it just makes for a better extraction.
I don't think you understood what I was saying, your stomach does that, but better than lemon juice.
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Re: Peyote Lemon Tek? [Re: 404]
#23367755 - 06/21/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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impatientguy said:
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404 said: I doubt it would make any marginal difference all things considered, but who knows, I could be wrong. Your stomach acid is typically stronger than what you would find in a lemon.
Lol I don't think you understand what I was saying.
The lemon acid helps extract mescaline and psilocybin and all water soluable alkaloids by lowering the ph letting the alkaloids be more readily dissolved.
Lemon juice doesn't potentate anything it just makes for a better extraction.
I don't think you understood what I was saying, your stomach does that, but better than lemon juice.
If you were to put all of the cactus material into your stomach, your stomach acid would help to extract the alkaloids, yes. But digesting cactus material is not easy and doing anything you can to help the process is definitely a good idea.
And if you do an extraction first, then it doesn't really matter that your stomach acid can help extract the alkaloids because the alkaloids have already been extracted from the plant matter. There's no more extraction to be done.
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Re: Peyote Lemon Tek? [Re: healing]
#23367772 - 06/21/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Peyote Lemon Tek? [Re: 404]
#23368028 - 06/21/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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impatientguy said:
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404 said: I doubt it would make any marginal difference all things considered, but who knows, I could be wrong. Your stomach acid is typically stronger than what you would find in a lemon.
Lol I don't think you understand what I was saying.
The lemon acid helps extract mescaline and psilocybin and all water soluable alkaloids by lowering the ph letting the alkaloids be more readily dissolved.
Lemon juice doesn't potentate anything it just makes for a better extraction.
I don't think you understood what I was saying, your stomach does that, but better than lemon juice.
Lol no you totally misunderstood what I said.
Healing understood exactly what I meant.
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The "Lol" in front of your replies is telling... I don't know why anything i've said thus far has gotten even slightly under your skin, it's like you are taking it personally in a sense. This is just a normal discussion mate
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Re: Peyote Lemon Tek? [Re: 404]
#23368091 - 06/21/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay ill make a tea since guy above said cactus material doesnt digest well.
Ive never done cactus before but I recieved the live cactus and cared for them for about 6 months before harvesting and storing.
I have a strange feeling that they will show me a trip no matter the weight.
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There are teks, just despine the cactus, boil it, and reduce the material. That's typically what's done with Trichocereus cacti, anyway.
curious, did you harvest the lophs in a manner that will allow them to regrow? you have to cut at a certain point or you end up damaging the plant
anyway, happy tripping. let us know how it goes
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Re: Peyote Lemon Tek? [Re: 404]
#23368115 - 06/21/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes I harvested so that the roots are alive.
I gifted the live roots to a friend of mine.
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Re: Peyote Lemon Tek? [Re: 404]
#23369338 - 06/22/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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404 said: The "Lol" in front of your replies is telling... I don't know why anything i've said thus far has gotten even slightly under your skin, it's like you are taking it personally in a sense. This is just a normal discussion mate
I didn't mean to make it seem that way man, I can see how it seemed that way reading my post.
I way just trying to explain what I meant and healing said it better than I could have.
The lol is just because I text a lot and I use it as a filler. Look at some of my other posts and you'll see.
Sorry buddy.
To the OP
I'd powder those peyote put it in a pan and squirt some lemon juice(like a quarter of a lemon) over it and I'd boil that up with a couple cups of water strain well and then reboil the cactus mash with a little more lemon juice(not as much as the first boil)
Combine the two teas and boil them down to a drinkable amount.
Make sure it doesn't burn in the pan by drying, boiling won't hurt it and you wanna do about 15 mins a boil with the cactus mash.
I like to put the tea in the freezer and let the tea get just above freezing so all the waxes and fats coagulate and can the be filtered out resulting in a more clear bearable tea.
Edited by impatientguy (06/22/16 08:52 AM)
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