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wild_shroom
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First grow Cambodians PF-tek
#23363627 - 06/20/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi everyone!
I am all mushroom lover. I love srooms in any posible way: hunting, identifying, cooking, eating, tripping and growing. I have tried a grow kit before with kinda terrible results and this time I am committed to do things right. So I read a lot and decided to follow the pf tek as close as possible. So far i have created a nice clean spot in a closet (natural light available), I have created and sterilized the jars, I inoculated successfully (no signs of mold so far) all 20 of them and waited the long days of the mycelium growth and consolidation.
It would seem that the mycelium took the whole jar in about 17 days from inoculation. From then on the cakes continued to whiten more and i have left it to consolidate. Today is the 28th day from inoculation and the only difference i have seen to the cakes in the last 5 days is a little shrinking (which I read was normal).
I would say that it is time to birth them (dunk & roll and everything) but i have some doubts because:
-i don't think i have seen any pinning (except very little spots in the bottom of 2-3 jars which haven't changed the last 5 days)
-the summer temperatures of Greece.. The temperature inside the cabinet has risen to as high as 29 C and i fear that if i birth them now i would hurt them. It is expected that the temperature will gradually drop over the next days, but i don't know if i should wait. I thought of putting and recycling some ice packs in the cabinet (away from the jars) to try to drop the heat a bit.
Here are some pics from the jars so far:
day 7

day 14

day 20

day 28


I will try to keep updating this post as the process continues.
For now, what do you guys/girls think, and what should I do next? Any help will be appreciated.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23363642 - 06/20/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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well, if they are fully colonized, and you let them sit and consolidate for a week, then it is time to fruit. dunk for 24 hours in water, then roll in verm, and out in SGFC. they wont always pin in the jars. sometimes they dont, sometimes the dont.
so just make a proper SGFC if you havent, yet.
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Edited by mupetmower (06/20/16 11:56 AM)
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23363643 - 06/20/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The correct consolidation period is 7 days after 100% colonization. Birth, dunk and roll like Muppet said You don't wait for pins and the spots on the bottom of the jar are not pins. It is probably an indication of bacteria.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23364298 - 06/20/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I always wait until I see hyphal knots
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Kenetic]
#23364301 - 06/20/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fruit that shit
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Kenetic]
#23364320 - 06/20/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That jar looks really healthy. All good so far.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: jds]
#23365955 - 06/21/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice and the quick responses! 
The word bacteria rang a bell so I decided to give birth today.
They popped right out and I rinsed all the vermiculite away. I am not sure if I overdid it though, I really hope I didn't damage the mycelium.. Here is before and after:

 
The cakes seemed solid enough except for one jar that had something peculiar. The colonization had spread more than the others above the dry vermiculite layer and when I rinsed it, there was this black dirt-like stuff in the middle, where (only this cake) was not colonized. I cleaned it off as best i could with a knife and the result is as below.
  
I have quarantined this cake and submerged it separately. What do you think the black stuff was and should I keep the cake?
Also, I'll be putting them in the fruiting chambers I am preparing and I want to know if it is better to place the cakes on aluminum foil or plastic mesh on the perlite.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23365987 - 06/21/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i wouoldve tossed that one. are the bottom three pics all of the same cake?
but the top one looks fine. you didnt rinse too much away, or anything.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: mupetmower]
#23366163 - 06/21/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey those look nice!! Cool! For that last one be aware that black mold can cause nasty respiratory responses. If you want to play it safe or if it grows back you'd be better to toss that shit. Probably shouldn't be in the same fruiting chamber either.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23366589 - 06/21/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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good thing you quarantined it! i personally wouldve tossed it, but i mean theres always a chance it will survive and i can understand the want/need to try and save a cake haha.
good luck, id like to see how that one turns out >:)
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Well, here is an update to the current status.
After a 20 hour dunking, i rolled the cakes in dry vermiculite and put them in the fruiting chambers i prepared on top of washed perlite and two layers of plastic mesh.
This is how an average cake looks:

These are the fruiting chambers:

  
You can see the quarantined cake on its own. This small FC will also house any other cake that may seem suspicious in the future.
I feel like I need to spray all the time (every 4 hours at least) because of all the heat and evaporation and i can't do that when I sleep or at work.
My main concern, though is the temperature that stays at 29 C (84 F). As you can see in a picture, i try to drop the temp by adding some ice packs below the FCs but they don't seem to affect it. Maybe I need more? Or different placement of the packs?
Any other observations about the set up will be appreciated.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23372605 - 06/23/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would cut some tin foil and put it in between the cakes and the perlite, it will keep the myc. From growing down into the perlite, just make sure you cut them as close to size as you can. Otherwise you'll be losing some of the effectiveness of the sgfc.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: BlankSpace]
#23372668 - 06/23/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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idk much about SGFC as ive never made one, but im sure youll figure out how to dial it in. just keep an eye on it periodically and make sure conditions seem optimal.
my ONE recommendation. is to quarantine that one FC a little farther away. or in a different closet if possible. id still imagine its too close.. mold spores can spread quite easily!! think about trich. that shit will infest your whole house if u let it explode!!!
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: BlankSpace]
#23372714 - 06/23/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not being able to mist when sleeping or at work shouldn't be a huge problem. Evaporation is a pinning trigger.
Although those temperatures can favor contamination during colonization, I don't think it's a problem during fruiting. Cubes are a tropical species and they should fruit fine.
Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce less dense shrooms.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23372871 - 06/23/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah you need to get those off the perlite. do foil like others said.
idk, i would be worried about those temps.. 84F is really high. your house is that hot? no ac?
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: mupetmower]
#23373624 - 06/23/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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84 is def to high for colonizing, but should be fine for fruiting. I did a search before posting. That's a rephrasing of pussy farts advice to a culter asking the same quest last year. He's a TC and a mod, so it's probably okay. I would still try to cool it down a few degrees... But if you can't they will likely still fruit alright.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23378138 - 06/24/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I put some tinfoil beneath my cakes and I have also moved the suspicious cake to different closet. Now the mycelium is starting to take over the vermiculite layer and I am waiting for the pinning to start.
Thanks for the advice so far guys
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23386586 - 06/27/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi everyone again!
It's official: there gonna be shrooms!
On the thirty third day from inoculation I had the first pins. Today, third day of pinning, all cakes have some small mushrooms popping out and they seem to grow fast.
Day 1 of pinning:
  
Day 3 of pinning:
   
the second FC:
 
Also, the isolated suspicious cake has pinned too and there are no signs of the black mold coming back.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23386750 - 06/27/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh mushrooms grow surprisingly fast once they get going! good job buddy, and have fun eating those ill keep an eye here to see how they grow up (;
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i would still put a piece of foil between those cakes and the mesh. its not gonna keep the myc from going down into the perlite.
but good job with some pins. might have more if you would put foil down.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: mupetmower]
#23387084 - 06/27/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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mupetmower said: i would still put a piece of foil between those cakes and the mesh. its not gonna keep the myc from going down into the perlite.
but good job with some pins. might have more if you would put foil down.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: mupetmower] [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23387299 - 06/27/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, as I have mentioned above, I did put tinfoil beneath the cakes before pinning, but i have cut it exactly the size of the cakes as suggested. I also think there are some more pins showing up.
I will try to post new pics every day or so to show the progress as a personal log. I am very excited about my children growing after all this waiting and cleaning and, I want to share my joy with the people and the site that got me this far.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23389456 - 06/27/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I need some help guys and girls..
This morning I noticed a little blueing on some cakes. It's not much but it concerned me.
Here are some pics and one with extra saturation for the colors to show.
  
Any ideas? Should I isolated these cakes?
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23390126 - 06/28/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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very mild bruising? i wouldnt worry.
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cakes are looking pretty dry, you should mist them. its just bruising.
do you have your sgfc in a closet or corner or anywhere but in the open?
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: spacechildo]
#23390228 - 06/28/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I try to mist the cakes every four hours. The pics are just before misting.
The setup is in a wardrobe closet. I used to leave it open by day to have the natural sunlight (not direct), but the temperature was about 30C (86F) so (on the 1st pinnig day) I put in a 6500 fluorescent 100W equivalent light bulb and closed the closet. I try to lower the temp with some ice packs below the sgfc but it only drops to 28C (82.4F) at best.
Should I reconsider or go with this setup until harvest?
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23390281 - 06/28/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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take it out of the closet if its a really small space. for the SGFC to work correctly, you need it to be at least a foot from all walls/obstructions on it's sides, and 4-6in, at least, off the table it's sitting on. but also, dont keep it closed off. mine is in my closet, but its a decent sized closet. at first, i left the door shut, but when i started leaving it open, it really helped things out.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23390294 - 06/28/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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the sgfc want at least a few feet clearance to all walls. get it out of the closet I can see it on your mushrooms that the chamber isnt functioning as it should. and get it elevated if it isnt.
man I'm slow
Edited by spacechildo (06/28/16 07:52 AM)
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: mupetmower]
#23390592 - 06/28/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm so relieved it is not mold. One or two more cakes bruised a bit too and I was afraid it was spreading already :P
Here are today's pics!  (I still have new pins popping around)
small sgfc:
  
single suspicious cake:

big sgfc:
 
also, meet Dick. fast grower..

Thanks for the tips fellas!
I can't put the sgfc on a table in the middle of the 2-room apartment. :P But I opened the closet completely and put them as far as the walls as possible. They are high from the ground and also have clearance from the closet floor. I put away the bulb and I suppose I will stop trying to lower the temp since the ice packs are no use trying to cool down the whole room.
Should I leave the door to the balcony open so the city air circulates the room or not?
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23391065 - 06/28/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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wild_shroom said: I'm so relieved it is not mold. One or two more cakes bruised a bit too and I was afraid it was spreading already :P
Here are today's pics!  (I still have new pins popping around)
small sgfc:
  
single suspicious cake:

big sgfc:
 
also, meet Dick. fast grower..

Thanks for the tips fellas!
I can't put the sgfc on a table in the middle of the 2-room apartment. :P But I opened the closet completely and put them as far as the walls as possible. They are high from the ground and also have clearance from the closet floor. I put away the bulb and I suppose I will stop trying to lower the temp since the ice packs are no use trying to cool down the whole room.
Should I leave the door to the balcony open so the city air circulates the room or not?
'city air' sort of killed it for me on that last question lol. but im still not sure what the BEST method would be here. if you have to leave it in a closet, then you probably want as much airflow as possible so you get passive FAE.
it looks super dry in that SGFC still too! but youve got mushrooms growing so thats always a good sign (;
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Hi again!
well, the growth have been rapid! Today some veils started braking and caps opening. I am thinking of flushing tonight or tomorow and I have to ask you this: should I harvest the ones with open caps and let the others grow some more or all together?
Also, some cakes seem to be slower than others. Can I harvest them later or all cakes should be flushed together?
a single pic of the big sgfc: (others to follow)
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23393073 - 06/29/16 05:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey yea man only harvest the mushrooms with the open caps and also the shrooms that are large but haven't opened yet. Due to statistics showing they have higher potency before the veil breaks and caps open up. So since you have some nice large/tall shrooms without the cap opened I would harvest them. Harvest only the mushrooms ready and let the rest grow and get more weight on them. Once the cake stops producing like yours are then you can re dunk them. So once again harvest each one that is matured enough to be harvested, and let the rest grow. Either take a super sharp medical scissors to cut them at the base, or what I did was lightly grab the base and gently twist. You don't want to pull bc it will damage the cake.
Congratulations on your grow. It looks fantastic for personal consumption
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: psilo.jts]
#23393179 - 06/29/16 06:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, you can harvest at different times. if you have a big cluster of mushrooms and one is opening it's cap a lot sooner than the others, then you can even just use scissors or x-acto to snip just the cap off, and let the rest of the cluster finish maturing.
as for what the previous guy said, i have seen no factual evidence showing higher potency at either time. you can harvest right before veil breaks, right as it is breaking, right after it breaks, or even a little after it breaks, letting the cap open more, if you want to take prints. its preference, really. nothing more.
once the veil starts tearing, the mushrooms growth is basically done. the only thing that will happen now, is the cap opening a bit more, but weighing essentially the same. so its just up to you. you just want to make sure you harvest before they drop their spore load everywhere, though.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: mupetmower]
#23393250 - 06/29/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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nice going but still
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mupetmower said: for the SGFC to work correctly, you need it to be at least a foot from all walls/obstructions on it's sides, and 4-6in, at least, off the table it's sitting on.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: spacechildo]
#23396628 - 06/30/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thaks for the replies 
I have started the harvest and it's going great. I don't have a scale for now but I have some very pretty fruits!
Here are some picks from various stages of the harvest:
Small sgfc:
   
Large sgfc:
 
Isolated cake: (still no sign of the black mold - shrooms are safe to eat right?)

Here are some of my fav cake pics:
  
  
Some of my relatively big mushrooms so far:
 
Remember Dick? He got big!

Finally, look at this beautiful mutation!
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23396642 - 06/30/16 07:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, you have some great fruits there. the size should help make up for their lack of quantity a little.
great job, man!
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: mupetmower]
#23396825 - 06/30/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice! Cool mutation!
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Kenetic]
#23420154 - 07/07/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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An update to the current status: The first flush gave 605g fresh mushrooms of 20 cakes total. Ninety grams were consumed fresh by me and 2 friends of mine (30g each). More about our curious trip report here: https://www.shroomery.org/13715/Tripping-on-fresh-cambodians
I fan dried the rest for 3 days straight and now I try to make them cracker dry with silica gel packs. The silica gel is in non indicating packs and from what I read there shouldn't be a problem if it touched the mushrooms. Would it be ok to put a pack or two in the bag/jar where they are gonna be stored long term?
The grow itself is in its second cycle (dunked and rolled well) and this time I put the fruiting chambers on small tables in the middle of my room after all.. I also spray a LOT more and more often. I literally feel my right arm getting stronger - and no, my masturbating habits haven't changed that much. Well, maybe a little because of the greek summer getting hotter.
I have a cheap digital hygro/thermometer hanging in one of the sgfcs and it shows always HI which means above 95%. I have some promising fruits growing and some big pins too, but not like the first flush.
Here are some pics:
  
The bigger yellow shrooms are the pins that survived the dunk and roll process.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23421151 - 07/07/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wouldn't mist more than you did, honestly. It looked fine. Especially once you start getting bigger pins, you don't want to water log them and cause bacterial blotch. If you are feeling it in your forearm from misting, then I would dial it back a bit.
Also, for future reference don't roll on subsequent flushes. Only roll after their first dunk, right after birth.
But good job, man. They are looking good.
Oh, also, I doubt the silica will get them properly cracker dry, honestly. If you can, just go ahead and get a food dehydrator. You can find them for like $20-30.
EDIT - asp, throw the hygrometer away. It's only going to confuse you. Your my want a constant 95% rH, anyways. You want a fluctuating rH, with Evap. Also, the only place the rH even matters is on the cake's surface, too, which you can't even measure with that hygrometer. Your eyes are your best hygrometer.
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-I wanna feel the change consume me, feel the outside turning in. I wanna feel the metamorphosis and cleansing I've endured within.
Edited by mupetmower (07/07/16 07:08 PM)
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EarthwormJim
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: mupetmower]
#23421232 - 07/07/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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nice man! Alot better pinset and yield than my first PF grow.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: EarthwormJim]
#23421499 - 07/07/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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nice
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wild_shroom
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: mupetmower]
#23422937 - 07/08/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The reason I spray so much is that the cakes never seem dripping. The verm just seems dump. Never droplets that would worry me. And after an hour or so it already seems dryer. Also I rolled again because the cakes seemed too naked and dry before and thought the verm layer would keep it moist better.
I would like to ask, should I take off the lids of the sgfc? There are some mushrooms touching the lids and also, the lids are not transparent and it would give more light. I could spray more. I am strong now.
Here are two big fruits I harvested yesterday:
 
This little fella is lifting the cake off the foil. (that's my boy!) Should I do something about it or just let it break veil and harvest?

Also, after the first flush, I removed almost all the plastic mesh because I didn't like how mushrooms grew through it, but I have cut around the plastic mesh on some spots where small mushrooms where growing below it before the second dunk and roll.I checked it this morning and noticed this:
 It doesn't look very promising. Should I let it be or it could pose a threat?
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