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wild_shroom
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First grow Cambodians PF-tek
#23363627 - 06/20/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi everyone!
I am all mushroom lover. I love srooms in any posible way: hunting, identifying, cooking, eating, tripping and growing. I have tried a grow kit before with kinda terrible results and this time I am committed to do things right. So I read a lot and decided to follow the pf tek as close as possible. So far i have created a nice clean spot in a closet (natural light available), I have created and sterilized the jars, I inoculated successfully (no signs of mold so far) all 20 of them and waited the long days of the mycelium growth and consolidation.
It would seem that the mycelium took the whole jar in about 17 days from inoculation. From then on the cakes continued to whiten more and i have left it to consolidate. Today is the 28th day from inoculation and the only difference i have seen to the cakes in the last 5 days is a little shrinking (which I read was normal).
I would say that it is time to birth them (dunk & roll and everything) but i have some doubts because:
-i don't think i have seen any pinning (except very little spots in the bottom of 2-3 jars which haven't changed the last 5 days)
-the summer temperatures of Greece.. The temperature inside the cabinet has risen to as high as 29 C and i fear that if i birth them now i would hurt them. It is expected that the temperature will gradually drop over the next days, but i don't know if i should wait. I thought of putting and recycling some ice packs in the cabinet (away from the jars) to try to drop the heat a bit.
Here are some pics from the jars so far:
day 7

day 14

day 20

day 28


I will try to keep updating this post as the process continues.
For now, what do you guys/girls think, and what should I do next? Any help will be appreciated.
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mupetmower
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23363642 - 06/20/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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well, if they are fully colonized, and you let them sit and consolidate for a week, then it is time to fruit. dunk for 24 hours in water, then roll in verm, and out in SGFC. they wont always pin in the jars. sometimes they dont, sometimes the dont.
so just make a proper SGFC if you havent, yet.
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Edited by mupetmower (06/20/16 11:56 AM)
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Bunji Fungi
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23363643 - 06/20/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The correct consolidation period is 7 days after 100% colonization. Birth, dunk and roll like Muppet said You don't wait for pins and the spots on the bottom of the jar are not pins. It is probably an indication of bacteria.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23364298 - 06/20/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I always wait until I see hyphal knots
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Kenetic]
#23364301 - 06/20/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fruit that shit
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Kenetic]
#23364320 - 06/20/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That jar looks really healthy. All good so far.
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wild_shroom
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: jds]
#23365955 - 06/21/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice and the quick responses! 
The word bacteria rang a bell so I decided to give birth today.
They popped right out and I rinsed all the vermiculite away. I am not sure if I overdid it though, I really hope I didn't damage the mycelium.. Here is before and after:

 
The cakes seemed solid enough except for one jar that had something peculiar. The colonization had spread more than the others above the dry vermiculite layer and when I rinsed it, there was this black dirt-like stuff in the middle, where (only this cake) was not colonized. I cleaned it off as best i could with a knife and the result is as below.
  
I have quarantined this cake and submerged it separately. What do you think the black stuff was and should I keep the cake?
Also, I'll be putting them in the fruiting chambers I am preparing and I want to know if it is better to place the cakes on aluminum foil or plastic mesh on the perlite.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23365987 - 06/21/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i wouoldve tossed that one. are the bottom three pics all of the same cake?
but the top one looks fine. you didnt rinse too much away, or anything.
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Bunji Fungi
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: mupetmower]
#23366163 - 06/21/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey those look nice!! Cool! For that last one be aware that black mold can cause nasty respiratory responses. If you want to play it safe or if it grows back you'd be better to toss that shit. Probably shouldn't be in the same fruiting chamber either.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23366589 - 06/21/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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good thing you quarantined it! i personally wouldve tossed it, but i mean theres always a chance it will survive and i can understand the want/need to try and save a cake haha.
good luck, id like to see how that one turns out >:)
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wild_shroom
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Well, here is an update to the current status.
After a 20 hour dunking, i rolled the cakes in dry vermiculite and put them in the fruiting chambers i prepared on top of washed perlite and two layers of plastic mesh.
This is how an average cake looks:

These are the fruiting chambers:

  
You can see the quarantined cake on its own. This small FC will also house any other cake that may seem suspicious in the future.
I feel like I need to spray all the time (every 4 hours at least) because of all the heat and evaporation and i can't do that when I sleep or at work.
My main concern, though is the temperature that stays at 29 C (84 F). As you can see in a picture, i try to drop the temp by adding some ice packs below the FCs but they don't seem to affect it. Maybe I need more? Or different placement of the packs?
Any other observations about the set up will be appreciated.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23372605 - 06/23/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would cut some tin foil and put it in between the cakes and the perlite, it will keep the myc. From growing down into the perlite, just make sure you cut them as close to size as you can. Otherwise you'll be losing some of the effectiveness of the sgfc.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: BlankSpace]
#23372668 - 06/23/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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idk much about SGFC as ive never made one, but im sure youll figure out how to dial it in. just keep an eye on it periodically and make sure conditions seem optimal.
my ONE recommendation. is to quarantine that one FC a little farther away. or in a different closet if possible. id still imagine its too close.. mold spores can spread quite easily!! think about trich. that shit will infest your whole house if u let it explode!!!
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: BlankSpace]
#23372714 - 06/23/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not being able to mist when sleeping or at work shouldn't be a huge problem. Evaporation is a pinning trigger.
Although those temperatures can favor contamination during colonization, I don't think it's a problem during fruiting. Cubes are a tropical species and they should fruit fine.
Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce less dense shrooms.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23372871 - 06/23/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah you need to get those off the perlite. do foil like others said.
idk, i would be worried about those temps.. 84F is really high. your house is that hot? no ac?
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: mupetmower]
#23373624 - 06/23/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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84 is def to high for colonizing, but should be fine for fruiting. I did a search before posting. That's a rephrasing of pussy farts advice to a culter asking the same quest last year. He's a TC and a mod, so it's probably okay. I would still try to cool it down a few degrees... But if you can't they will likely still fruit alright.
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wild_shroom
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23378138 - 06/24/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I put some tinfoil beneath my cakes and I have also moved the suspicious cake to different closet. Now the mycelium is starting to take over the vermiculite layer and I am waiting for the pinning to start.
Thanks for the advice so far guys
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23386586 - 06/27/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi everyone again!
It's official: there gonna be shrooms!
On the thirty third day from inoculation I had the first pins. Today, third day of pinning, all cakes have some small mushrooms popping out and they seem to grow fast.
Day 1 of pinning:
  
Day 3 of pinning:
   
the second FC:
 
Also, the isolated suspicious cake has pinned too and there are no signs of the black mold coming back.
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Re: First grow Cambodians PF-tek [Re: wild_shroom]
#23386750 - 06/27/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh mushrooms grow surprisingly fast once they get going! good job buddy, and have fun eating those ill keep an eye here to see how they grow up (;
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mupetmower
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i would still put a piece of foil between those cakes and the mesh. its not gonna keep the myc from going down into the perlite.
but good job with some pins. might have more if you would put foil down.
-------------------- -The wise man never stops seeking knowledge.
-I wanna feel the change consume me, feel the outside turning in. I wanna feel the metamorphosis and cleansing I've endured within.
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