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The psychology of people in cars...
    #23362806 - 06/20/16 04:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

What is it with people in their little portable pieces of property? So many seem to act like a man defending his home whilst in them, yet they are on public property when doing so.

I've seen people in cars act like they're indestructible, and the shock that hits them when they realise they aren't. Why does being in a car rob so many of their humility?


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23363421 - 06/20/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I dunno man, I primarily walk and use public transportation, but when I do drive in my car I notice how many bicyclists and pedestrians are so absent minded absorbed in their phone and or talking with friends they're walking with and do fucking dangerous shit, I have to constantly keep my eyes peeled in a very walk/bike friendly city to make sure I don't hurt anyone and it is a little stressful.  I could try to film some of it on the main drags to give you an idea of what is wrong.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23363512 - 06/20/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Spoken like a true motorcyclist.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23363754 - 06/20/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe the Amish have this one right…Horse and buggy'd?

"Defending his home" seems to be the result of people attaching "my" to things. Anytime "my" comes into play it seems this is how a lot of people act. It is "my" car even though one is driving on public property.

I think a lot of people act indestructible in cars because we/they spend so much time in life driving. It becomes second nature. When something becomes second nature it's easy to forget the dangers associated with it.

Road rage is real, and so are accidents unfortunately...


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23364120 - 06/20/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe these car drivers you speak of are more open minded to the less probable possibilities.  It is possible their entire car could pass right through a motorcycle or wall without touching it.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23364136 - 06/20/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Hippocampus said:
It is possible their entire car could pass right through a motorcycle or wall without touching it.



Urrrr....


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Spoken like a true motorcyclist.



Actually, oddly enough, these feelings and experiences come from my days as a car driver. A pretty road rage inclined one too. As a biker I've pretty much managed to ignore and avoid it all. I still observe it in others though, perhaps knowing it from my younger days I spot it more readily.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23364266 - 06/20/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I made a post about this in a "epic road rage thread"...

"I think about this all the time when I'm driving because I'm always around other drivers...

Some theories are that road ragerz tend to be obese, severe carnivores or unintelligent drug users or spiritual energy riders/leeches.

The first three all wreck the nervous system, so these people are constantly in fight or flight response and always thinking the world is against them, the last are people without a sense of balls on their soul, and their life is directed by much more evolved and conscious entities that have more influence on the unfolding of destiny and the makeup of time.

I don't mean this as an egoic, arrogant prick, but I just ride the wave and get more out of life when I appreciate the moment rather than rushing to my destination
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:drunkdriver2:

Obviously I typed that tinged with a sense of satire, but the points stand. We live in an instant gratification world,
which only fuels the unrealistic social identity where everybody is the king, or lion of the concrete jungle.
That plus being embodied within a 2,000lb.+ container of metal with directional velocity and people become living weapons.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Khancious]
    #23364285 - 06/20/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Y'all better getthefuck out of my way!



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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23364340 - 06/20/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I have always suffered from pretty intense road rage and there are several threads I've started detailing some of those encounters. Your position on this doesn't to adequately encompass the phenomena in my opinion.

In my view I think your argument gets near the core of the problem although by your wording it would seem you hold a different perspective. In your own home, on your own property you can mostly operate it how you see fit without truly endangering anyone's safety or risk to their property. This to me is a logical extension of the "your rights end at your fist and mine begin at the tip of my nose" sort of philosophy.

Driving on public roads requires far more thought, diligence, knowledge, awareness and appreciation to ensure the same level of mutual respect for each other's property and personal safety. That's why we have extensive rules and practices in place for the efficient operation of this pact. While you rightfully have a large leeway in how you conduct the affairs of your homestead, no such attitude should be assumed on the road. In my experience the bulk of road rage incidents occur from the perceived violation of this pact. By not following the established rules and practices, be it through negligence, carelessness, inattentiveness, poor foresight or any other reason, you're disrupting the established order. That disruption puts every participant in the system at increased risk of injury and damage to property.

In my understanding of what you wrote it seems you believe those who rage are the only ones who are compromising their "humanity." But I don't think that's fair. Certainly, getting so angry at violators that a significant confrontation ensues is wrong and compounds the initial problem. There is an inadequate feedback mechanism (traffic cops) able to recognize and correct all errors so some participants feel responsible or compelled to serve in this function to a degree by at least notifying the culprit of their transgression.

So who do we hold to be more at fault? Is the loss of humanity occurring when the individual's actions disrupt the system and increase risk? If we encounter someone harming another (or doing something that will likely result in others being injured if the action continues) while walking in a park and are able to intervene, aren't we expected to? How then does that obligation change on the road? Are those individuals who are operating their vehicles in a dangerous manner to be ignored and are we to just be thankful nothing catastrophic happened on this occasion with no regard to the future actions of those wrongdoers?


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23364729 - 06/20/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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It is possible their entire car could pass right through a motorcycle or wall without touching it.



Urrrr....




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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Hippocampus]
    #23364745 - 06/20/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I have also noticed, in my city more than other's, some strange "drivers ego" where people tend to speed up if they see you put your blinker on to get over in another lane.

It is hilariously mind boggling.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: hTx]
    #23364759 - 06/20/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I have also noticed, in my city more than other's, some strange "drivers ego" where people tend to speed up if they see you put your blinker on to get over in another lane.

It is hilariously mind boggling.





Happens all the time here, they go slow and the moment you try to pass em they speed up........ then there are other people who pass you and get in front of you only to slow down......


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23364875 - 06/20/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I have also noticed, in my city more than other's, some strange "drivers ego" where people tend to speed up if they see you put your blinker on to get over in another lane.

It is hilariously mind boggling.





Happens all the time here, they go slow and the moment you try to pass em they speed up........ then there are other people who pass you and get in front of you only to slow down......




Oh god the driving games as i call em. Sounds just like my city! Why do they do this? What do they gain?

Around here everyone seems like theyre in the biggest hurry ever. I spot a red light a few blocks ahead and coast in neutral. Pissed off drivers whip out from behind me, cut me off, and sit a whole cars length ahead of me at the red light. :lol:

What sucks is, these people carry that tension and vibe with them all day, spreading it everywhere they go.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #23364900 - 06/20/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You sound like a total stoner driver, hahaha.  But if your location is really Florida then yes, I feel for you.  Florida has by far the most shitty drivers in the country.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Hippocampus]
    #23364938 - 06/20/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yea south Fl, very fast grind-y feel. I imagine many big cities being similar.

I just cant fall into the trap of catching that bad vibe, being a stoner helps :cool:


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23365241 - 06/20/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Why does being in a car rob so many of their humility?





Driving a car robs many of us of our humanity and intelligence.

It really is a fascinating phenomenon. It's like we go on max-territorial mode.

A lot of driving aggravation stems from embracing the Universal Fairness Doctrine.

(We need to teach our kids to reject the belief that people should be polite and life should be fair)


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23365262 - 06/20/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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the Universal Fairness Doctrine.



Being that:

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We need to teach our kids to reject the belief that people should be polite and life should be fair



Sorry man, just never heard of the UFD before..

Great post BTW.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23365348 - 06/20/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I just made up the "Universal Fairness Doctrine" as I posted this. The UFD is so common it needs an acronym.

Most of the complaints I hear have to do with life not being fair, and/or the expectation people will be polite and kind.

I find when I don't expect life to be fair or people to be kind, I'm much less reactive.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23365386 - 06/20/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

LOL. I hear you man. Only through expecting that everybody is going to endanger me when on the roads have I learned to keep my reactivity under control. Most times I don't react at all these days, and if I absolutely must I restrict it to a 'thumbs up'. I summed it up here in another thread:

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Being on a bike 5 days a week for 8+ years in heavy traffic I (and other bikers I know) have developed a very keen sense in regards to this. You can spot the unpredictable, or those not paying attention at quite a distance, and I often find people making the exact silly/dangerous maneuver I expected them to and had already taken measures to keep myself safe from.



I can see very much how this could branch out into the rest of life, and serve one well by doing so.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23365610 - 06/21/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I've never got any road rage in a car. I put it down to playing enough rugby not to be insecure enough to overreact about intrusions to my personal space.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #23365710 - 06/21/16 03:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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hTx said:
I have also noticed, in my city more than other's, some strange "drivers ego" where people tend to speed up if they see you put your blinker on to get over in another lane.

It is hilariously mind boggling.





Happens all the time here, they go slow and the moment you try to pass em they speed up........ then there are other people who pass you and get in front of you only to slow down......




Oh god the driving games as i call em. Sounds just like my city! Why do they do this? What do they gain?

Around here everyone seems like theyre in the biggest hurry ever. I spot a red light a few blocks ahead and coast in neutral. Pissed off drivers whip out from behind me, cut me off, and sit a whole cars length ahead of me at the red light. :lol:

What sucks is, these people carry that tension and vibe with them all day, spreading it everywhere they go.




I experience that too,  those speedy motherfuckers end up at the same damned traffic light as me!  But we have other weird driving issues here in Portland, the overly cautious drivers who are somewhat ADHD.  Like they literally can't figure out who got there first at 4 way stop and are waving me on when it's their turn.  And then, as a pedestrian, I know when I'm jay walking, please don't stop your car like 30 feet ahead of me to wave me on to jaywalk, just drive and I will cope with getting across the street on my own, I'm an adult, I'm not going to go run out in front of them.  Also, nobody in Oregon knows how to merge onto the interstate, it's a tragicomedy.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23365783 - 06/21/16 04:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I think the most enraging thing are people who drive behind at night with full beam headlights turned on. Thankfully i got a working rear fog light.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23365789 - 06/21/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Especially if you're driving windy country roads.....


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23366524 - 06/21/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Perhaps it's the feeling of being an isolated being in a foreign world that's exacerbated by being caged in a small rolling metal box. Dealing with all these nameless/faceless assholes.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23367481 - 06/21/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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What is it with people in their little portable pieces of property? So many seem to act like a man defending his home whilst in them, yet they are on public property when doing so.

I've seen people in cars act like they're indestructible, and the shock that hits them when they realise they aren't. Why does being in a car rob so many of their humility?




Not too many people are humble anymore.  Entitled is more like it.  If you think road rage is bad, look at what's going on in Venezuela right now.  Socialism is bad, and people that are entitled are a plague.  People are killing people for a bag of rice, literally.  It's unreal, the country has literally the largest reserves of oil in the world and is flat broke.

Anyway back on topic check out Stop a Douchebag a Russian video series.  I find it funny, but also quite telling the different largely entitled arrogant responses.  A very interesting psychological exercise, and apparently Russians lack humility in their cars even more than this country.  I wonder though how soon one of those guys gets full on run over or shot putting their stickers or standing in front of cars if they tried that here.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23371978 - 06/22/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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If you think road rage is bad, look at what's going on in Venezuela right now.  Socialism is bad, and people that are entitled are a plague. 

People are killing people for a bag of rice, literally.  It's unreal, the country has literally the largest reserves of oil in the world and is flat broke.






Instead of blaming Socialism, why don't you blame human nature?


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    #23374168 - 06/23/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: psychobla]
    #23374210 - 06/23/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The animal mind is more concerned with asserting dominance while driving than preserving life. This seems to be exacerbated in individuals who have a hard time asserting themselves in other ways.




I think you're right, one gets to hide behind their car so it's easy to flip somebody the bird and be on the offense.  Outside the car I bet they'd think twice.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23374603 - 06/23/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The animal mind is more concerned with asserting dominance while driving than preserving life. This seems to be exacerbated in individuals who have a hard time asserting themselves in other ways.




I think you're right, one gets to hide behind their car so it's easy to flip somebody the bird and be on the offense.  Outside the car I bet they'd think twice.




The last time somebody hassled me in my car there were three of them and one of me.  I met up with them later at the store, and the one dude was a mean looking dude.  I noticed he was not willing to look at me square on, in spite of flipping me off earlier.  Sure, it's not as if he was going to fuck with me in the produce section. Anyway these dudes were tailing me, and my response when being tailgated is to slow down.  If it persists, I slow down further.  40 in a 55?  why not?  35 in a 55?  sure.  Then they don't pass when it's 100% clear to do so?  WTF??? That's when I slow down to 30.  You want my ass, here it is.

Still, if push comes to shove I'll run them all over rather than getting out of my car.  Last guy who bravely stood in front of me wanting a road rage fight almost saw two axles.



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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23374619 - 06/23/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yah, I see what you mean.

But on the interstate when I'm in the fast lane I do try to stay pretty close to the car ahead of me, but it's not with the intent of trying to make them go faster, it's the fact that people love to cut me off and then slow down.  All I'm doing is denying anyone else the opportunity in.  Why they do this, I have no fucking idea.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23374631 - 06/23/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Yah, I see what you mean.

But on the interstate when I'm in the fast lane I do try to stay pretty close to the car ahead of me, but it's not with the intent of trying to make them go faster, it's the fact that people love to cut me off and then slow down.  All I'm doing is denying anyone else the opportunity in.  Why they do this, I have no fucking idea.




Portland has some of the worst left lane doing 55 drivers ever.  They love to box you in and parallel the driver in the middle lane.  It's absurd.  Their way of "controlling" speed?

No, my thing is to drive safely.  This means let the left lane go as fast as they want, and maintain a car length for every 10 mph.  I always try to let the fast traffic by.  This can mean pulling in behind a slower driver to let them go.  I had some guy give me a thumbs up recently for doing that, I just see it as courtesy and a safer thing than the "Portland" mode.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23374675 - 06/23/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Yah, I see what you mean.

But on the interstate when I'm in the fast lane I do try to stay pretty close to the car ahead of me, but it's not with the intent of trying to make them go faster, it's the fact that people love to cut me off and then slow down.  All I'm doing is denying anyone else the opportunity in.  Why they do this, I have no fucking idea.




Portland has some of the worst left lane doing 55 drivers ever.  They love to box you in and parallel the driver in the middle lane.  It's absurd.  Their way of "controlling" speed?

No, my thing is to drive safely.  This means let the left lane go as fast as they want, and maintain a car length for every 10 mph.  I always try to let the fast traffic by.  This can mean pulling in behind a slower driver to let them go.  I had some guy give me a thumbs up recently for doing that, I just see it as courtesy and a safer thing than the "Portland" mode.




That's precisely what Portland drivers do! I mean ideally I'd leave a few car lengths ahead for safety purposes, and I do after 7pm or so when things lighten up, but traffic starts to get pretty shitty here on I-5 & 205 from mid afternoon.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23374686 - 06/23/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Yah, I see what you mean.

But on the interstate when I'm in the fast lane I do try to stay pretty close to the car ahead of me, but it's not with the intent of trying to make them go faster, it's the fact that people love to cut me off and then slow down.  All I'm doing is denying anyone else the opportunity in.  Why they do this, I have no fucking idea.




Portland has some of the worst left lane doing 55 drivers ever.  They love to box you in and parallel the driver in the middle lane.  It's absurd.  Their way of "controlling" speed?

No, my thing is to drive safely.  This means let the left lane go as fast as they want, and maintain a car length for every 10 mph.  I always try to let the fast traffic by.  This can mean pulling in behind a slower driver to let them go.  I had some guy give me a thumbs up recently for doing that, I just see it as courtesy and a safer thing than the "Portland" mode.




That's precisely what Portland drivers do! I mean ideally I'd leave a few car lengths ahead for safety purposes, and I do after 7pm or so when things lighten up, but traffic starts to get pretty shitty here on I-5 & 205 from mid afternoon.




Yep.  I've lived all over, and other than PA where people are stupid, or FL where they are too old, or Boston where they are just red light runners, Portland OR has some of the worst drivers ever.  They all love to drive slow and right next to each other.  It's some kind of socialist thing.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23374699 - 06/23/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This thread makes me love the fact that I'm a biker even more. It's so nice to not have to deal with this bullshit. Cause:



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    #23374724 - 06/23/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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This thread makes me love the fact that I'm a biker even more. It's so nice to not have to deal with this bullshit. Cause:






No cars where you ride your bike?



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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23374730 - 06/23/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Mate, thousands. I ride in central London every day. I go round them all, and am at the front of every set of red traffic lights.

Riding my Ducati to/from work is the best part of my weekdays.



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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23374774 - 06/23/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'd suggest you watch Stop A Douchebag but that's a nice looking bike.  If you can pass them and get to the front of the line, you may have a point.


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    #23375773 - 06/24/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The animal mind is more concerned with asserting dominance while driving than preserving life.

This seems to be exacerbated in individuals who have a hard time asserting themselves in other ways.




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    #23382031 - 06/25/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This is pretty disgusting, but I've noticed when I look at people in cars next to me at stop lights, just how many people are obliviously picking their noses and eating their boogers. :puke: I mean, men and women alike do this and they seem to be completely uncaring that they are encased in window glass! I suppose that if they're of the mentality that eats dirty, bacteria-laden, blood-encrusted nasal dingleberries, then they don't care if others see them do it.


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    #23382752 - 06/26/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Heheheh, I wish my car had dark tinted windows.  I hate driving in a fishbowl.

Here in Portland my driving style has aligned pretty well with the driving culture.  It's not my favorite part of the country that I've lived and driven in.  But it's by far not the worst either (looking at you Miami). 

Some things I like about Portland driving. 
People are courteous
Generally can drive in the rain
drives up and down and around corners well
Not a lot of crazy fuckers


Some things I dislike about Portland driving.
Passive aggressively courteous driving
Speed limit is too slow which makes passing sllooooow
People are scared because the cops love giving out traffic tickets
More that average amount of oblivious drivers


I prefer somewhere like Boston or anywhere in California as far as faster speed, more aware drivers, and less fucking traffic cops.  It's not that I speed or anything either.  Just want to be able to pass a car in less than an hour without worrying about some ninja hidden motorcycle cop

What I'm saying is that I've chilled out and slowed down and just drive like all the other Portlanders.  It's like I've taken the blue pill, or chip to the city of light, or whatever originality my driving character possessed and conformed to the institution of Portland driving.  It's actually amazing how alike all the drivers here are.  I guess it's because Portland is a fairly homogenous culture too.  Go somewhere like San Jose California, and you have no idea how the next car that pulls in front of you is going to drive.  There's people from all over the world.  Mostly Mexico, India, China, Japan.  Luckily they are thrown into the high standards of California driving, so it's not as terrible as somewhere like Miami, where foreigners learn american driving culture from geriatrics and angry east coaster types.  Although, Californians are only great on a dry flat straight road.  But put a million cars out there all going 80 mph and there's a lot less collisions than there should be.  So there's not a huge traffic accident every rush hour.. Like in Miami, but hey on the bright side, at least it consistently takes forever to drive anywhere in Miami.  But Portland traffic has gotten a lot worse since I've been driving around here (on and off the last 20 years).  It's objectively really bad, but I don't really mind traffic all that much. 

Of course driving in the sparsely populated areas (Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Nebraska, Wyoming, etc,) Is the best.  As Sarte said, Hell is other people.  The only problem with rural driving is that when you do eventually drive around someone else they have no fucking clue how to drive with other cars on the road.  They do shit like not use a turn signal when turning off a 65 mph into a driveway.  Not keeping a constant speed.  Basic shit like that.  But it's way better to drive alone.  I hate all the random people controlling tons of metal at high speed all around me, and totally casually, like texting on the phone and putting on make-up.  It's really one of the things that helps me keep perspective on other fears and anxieties.  If I have an irrational fear, I can compare it to how I hardly ever get afraid of driving.  But according to statistics, it's the most likely way I'll get seriously injured or die.  That would be something logical to fear.  But I don't.  And if I can somehow feel easy about something as crazy as driving, then I can surely quit worrying about whatever that irrational fear is.

*sorry accidental edit instead of quote - CJ.


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Hippocampus]
    #23383139 - 06/26/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

SoCal driving is pretty aggressive in my experience, in San Diego some drags nearly every block had a stop sign so everyone was rolling them.  I'd be about half way walking across the street with the walk sign telling me to walk and somebody would quickly make a right turn, easily could have mowed me over.  I think starting from SF up to Seattle there is a different shift in driving, with Portland probably being the most exceeding cautious to the point of stupidity.  The inability to merge and people having no idea where they landed on a 4 way stop and people waving me to walk across places they should just keep on driving are amongst the things that annoy me the most.  I truly haven't noticed many cops handing out tickets... I've seen more bicyclists get tickets downtown :lol:.  Are you sure we're talking about Portland, OR? :lol:


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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23383958 - 06/26/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds about right.  Yesterday I drove to the airport and there was a motorcycle cop on 205 hiding super ninja style radaring.  Then at the airport there were 2 cop cars.  Those black ones with tinted windows.  They were parked in such an area that they must have been looking to give out traffic tickets.  That's how it is pretty much every day here.  You can absolutely count on cops setting up speed traps somewhere on 5 or 205 every day.  Then there are the red light photo tickets.  I agree with you that people are sometimes too aggressive in southern california.  But at least they speed on by and that's the end of it.  In Portland if there's an aggressive driver it doesn't actually get them anywhere.  They just get stuck behind or in front of me, driving erratically.  But in California it pays to drive aggressively.  You can actually get places way faster.  idk what you were doing walking in socal.  You better watch out.  It is nuts.  It keeps everyone on their toes.  That's the real reason why drivers are more aware in California.  You can't just drive around in lala land all the time like P-town.  Also, road rage in Portland is different.  People in Portland are more apt to play games and rage for less reason.  In California people aren't drawn into road rage as much because there is far more possibility that the person you are fucking with is going to pull out a gun and start shooting.  People feel a lot more secure in Portland to act like assholes because most drivers around here aren't criminally crazy or straight up gangsta.  People in Socal are aggressive, but it's not personal other than you are a car or person in their way at that moment.  On the point of merging you may be right.  It's super dangerous how Oregonians will be too afraid to merge and virtually stop on an onramp while cars are flying by.  But I also hate how Californians merge sometimes.  There will be 2 lanes merging to one, both going slowly under the speed limit.  Everyone is merging into one lane like a zipper, one car from one lane one car from the next lane.  People in Oregon get it, it's fair.  But in California almost every time there is some asshole who attached their car to the bumper in front and insists on not letting a car between them on a merge.  WTF?!  But often Oregonians are over the top with their fairness vigilance.  The whole 4 way stop thing is ridiculous.  But fun.  You go, no you go, no seriously you go.  I'm not going til you go so you better go.  It's like a game.  Are you more courteous or more in a hurry?  Well you find out when you roll up to a stop in Portland at anywhere near the same time as another car.  The weirdest thing that I see regularly happen around here in the name of fairness is when there are 2 lanes that merge a mile down the road, but one lane is stop and go and the other is open.  Sometimes a car will get in the clear lane and pace the car in the other lane.  Just so, you know, no one unfairly gets ahead of everyone else.


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