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Jokeshopbeard
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The psychology of people in cars...
#23362806 - 06/20/16 04:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is it with people in their little portable pieces of property? So many seem to act like a man defending his home whilst in them, yet they are on public property when doing so.
I've seen people in cars act like they're indestructible, and the shock that hits them when they realise they aren't. Why does being in a car rob so many of their humility?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23363421 - 06/20/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dunno man, I primarily walk and use public transportation, but when I do drive in my car I notice how many bicyclists and pedestrians are so absent minded absorbed in their phone and or talking with friends they're walking with and do fucking dangerous shit, I have to constantly keep my eyes peeled in a very walk/bike friendly city to make sure I don't hurt anyone and it is a little stressful. I could try to film some of it on the main drags to give you an idea of what is wrong.
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23363512 - 06/20/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spoken like a true motorcyclist.
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Kitch
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Maybe the Amish have this one right…Horse and buggy'd?
"Defending his home" seems to be the result of people attaching "my" to things. Anytime "my" comes into play it seems this is how a lot of people act. It is "my" car even though one is driving on public property.
I think a lot of people act indestructible in cars because we/they spend so much time in life driving. It becomes second nature. When something becomes second nature it's easy to forget the dangers associated with it.
Road rage is real, and so are accidents unfortunately...
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23364120 - 06/20/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe these car drivers you speak of are more open minded to the less probable possibilities. It is possible their entire car could pass right through a motorcycle or wall without touching it.
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Jokeshopbeard
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Hippocampus said: It is possible their entire car could pass right through a motorcycle or wall without touching it.
Urrrr....
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DividedQuantum said: Spoken like a true motorcyclist.
Actually, oddly enough, these feelings and experiences come from my days as a car driver. A pretty road rage inclined one too. As a biker I've pretty much managed to ignore and avoid it all. I still observe it in others though, perhaps knowing it from my younger days I spot it more readily.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23364266 - 06/20/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I made a post about this in a "epic road rage thread"...
"I think about this all the time when I'm driving because I'm always around other drivers...
Some theories are that road ragerz tend to be obese, severe carnivores or unintelligent drug users or spiritual energy riders/leeches.
The first three all wreck the nervous system, so these people are constantly in fight or flight response and always thinking the world is against them, the last are people without a sense of balls on their soul, and their life is directed by much more evolved and conscious entities that have more influence on the unfolding of destiny and the makeup of time.
I don't mean this as an egoic, arrogant prick, but I just ride the wave and get more out of life when I appreciate the moment rather than rushing to my destination."

Obviously I typed that tinged with a sense of satire, but the points stand. We live in an instant gratification world, which only fuels the unrealistic social identity where everybody is the king, or lion of the concrete jungle. That plus being embodied within a 2,000lb.+ container of metal with directional velocity and people become living weapons.
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Khancious]
#23364285 - 06/20/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Y'all better getthefuck out of my way!
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23364340 - 06/20/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have always suffered from pretty intense road rage and there are several threads I've started detailing some of those encounters. Your position on this doesn't to adequately encompass the phenomena in my opinion.
In my view I think your argument gets near the core of the problem although by your wording it would seem you hold a different perspective. In your own home, on your own property you can mostly operate it how you see fit without truly endangering anyone's safety or risk to their property. This to me is a logical extension of the "your rights end at your fist and mine begin at the tip of my nose" sort of philosophy.
Driving on public roads requires far more thought, diligence, knowledge, awareness and appreciation to ensure the same level of mutual respect for each other's property and personal safety. That's why we have extensive rules and practices in place for the efficient operation of this pact. While you rightfully have a large leeway in how you conduct the affairs of your homestead, no such attitude should be assumed on the road. In my experience the bulk of road rage incidents occur from the perceived violation of this pact. By not following the established rules and practices, be it through negligence, carelessness, inattentiveness, poor foresight or any other reason, you're disrupting the established order. That disruption puts every participant in the system at increased risk of injury and damage to property.
In my understanding of what you wrote it seems you believe those who rage are the only ones who are compromising their "humanity." But I don't think that's fair. Certainly, getting so angry at violators that a significant confrontation ensues is wrong and compounds the initial problem. There is an inadequate feedback mechanism (traffic cops) able to recognize and correct all errors so some participants feel responsible or compelled to serve in this function to a degree by at least notifying the culprit of their transgression.
So who do we hold to be more at fault? Is the loss of humanity occurring when the individual's actions disrupt the system and increase risk? If we encounter someone harming another (or doing something that will likely result in others being injured if the action continues) while walking in a park and are able to intervene, aren't we expected to? How then does that obligation change on the road? Are those individuals who are operating their vehicles in a dangerous manner to be ignored and are we to just be thankful nothing catastrophic happened on this occasion with no regard to the future actions of those wrongdoers?
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23364729 - 06/20/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said:
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Hippocampus said: It is possible their entire car could pass right through a motorcycle or wall without touching it.
Urrrr....
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Hippocampus]
#23364745 - 06/20/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have also noticed, in my city more than other's, some strange "drivers ego" where people tend to speed up if they see you put your blinker on to get over in another lane.
It is hilariously mind boggling.
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: hTx]
#23364759 - 06/20/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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hTx said: I have also noticed, in my city more than other's, some strange "drivers ego" where people tend to speed up if they see you put your blinker on to get over in another lane.
It is hilariously mind boggling.
Happens all the time here, they go slow and the moment you try to pass em they speed up........ then there are other people who pass you and get in front of you only to slow down......
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23364875 - 06/20/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said:
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hTx said: I have also noticed, in my city more than other's, some strange "drivers ego" where people tend to speed up if they see you put your blinker on to get over in another lane.
It is hilariously mind boggling.
Happens all the time here, they go slow and the moment you try to pass em they speed up........ then there are other people who pass you and get in front of you only to slow down......
Oh god the driving games as i call em. Sounds just like my city! Why do they do this? What do they gain?
Around here everyone seems like theyre in the biggest hurry ever. I spot a red light a few blocks ahead and coast in neutral. Pissed off drivers whip out from behind me, cut me off, and sit a whole cars length ahead of me at the red light. 
What sucks is, these people carry that tension and vibe with them all day, spreading it everywhere they go.
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You sound like a total stoner driver, hahaha. But if your location is really Florida then yes, I feel for you. Florida has by far the most shitty drivers in the country.
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Hippocampus]
#23364938 - 06/20/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea south Fl, very fast grind-y feel. I imagine many big cities being similar.
I just cant fall into the trap of catching that bad vibe, being a stoner helps
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23365241 - 06/20/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Why does being in a car rob so many of their humility?
Driving a car robs many of us of our humanity and intelligence.
It really is a fascinating phenomenon. It's like we go on max-territorial mode.
A lot of driving aggravation stems from embracing the Universal Fairness Doctrine.
(We need to teach our kids to reject the belief that people should be polite and life should be fair)
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23365262 - 06/20/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: the Universal Fairness Doctrine.
Being that:
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RJ Tubs 202 said: We need to teach our kids to reject the belief that people should be polite and life should be fair
Sorry man, just never heard of the UFD before..
Great post BTW.
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23365348 - 06/20/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just made up the "Universal Fairness Doctrine" as I posted this. The UFD is so common it needs an acronym.
Most of the complaints I hear have to do with life not being fair, and/or the expectation people will be polite and kind.
I find when I don't expect life to be fair or people to be kind, I'm much less reactive.
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23365386 - 06/20/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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LOL. I hear you man. Only through expecting that everybody is going to endanger me when on the roads have I learned to keep my reactivity under control. Most times I don't react at all these days, and if I absolutely must I restrict it to a 'thumbs up'. I summed it up here in another thread:
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Jokeshopbeard said: Being on a bike 5 days a week for 8+ years in heavy traffic I (and other bikers I know) have developed a very keen sense in regards to this. You can spot the unpredictable, or those not paying attention at quite a distance, and I often find people making the exact silly/dangerous maneuver I expected them to and had already taken measures to keep myself safe from.
I can see very much how this could branch out into the rest of life, and serve one well by doing so.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: The psychology of people in cars... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23365610 - 06/21/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've never got any road rage in a car. I put it down to playing enough rugby not to be insecure enough to overreact about intrusions to my personal space.
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