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Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa)
    #23362443 - 06/20/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

After watching clips on Youtube on how people react after smoking DMT I knew something wasn't right with me.

Immediately after vaporizing as little as 20-30 mg Changa I get rapid heartbeats and a strong sensation of "what have I done - I don't want to be here". It usually lasts for 30 sec up to 2 minutes.

I need to know what everyone is experiencing in terms of physical sensations after smoking low doses of DMT. Is it common to have this fight-or-flight reaction?


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: whoiam]
    #23362448 - 06/20/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Meditation and yoga helped me. Clean eating and sleeping seem to decrease the body load and anxiety with psyches

Maybe try and get drunk beforehand? I am sitting on a lot of GHB and I basically have been taking it for comeups. I time my dose so that the peak is sober and clear headed. The comeups of it I am typically half asleep and G'ed out


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #23362470 - 06/20/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, it is very common/usual to experience fight or flight/Adrenaline/panic/stress/fear/anxiety when it comes to DMT (Changa or Ayahuasca), ime.

That's why i generally smoke a little bit of Changa, put the pipe down, allow the initial wave to pass, and then continue smoking.


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: topdog82]
    #23362479 - 06/20/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the advice. Sure sounds nice to be "G'ed out" :grin:

I eat very clean and prioritize my sleep over anything. I have a feeling it has something to do with the state of mind I am in. So yes, meditation would probably help. I did meditate for 10 minutes beforehand but I guess a longer session is needed.

I do have a hint feeling that it has something to do with loneliness. I'm in a phase in my life where I basically have nobody that is close to me. I don't feel as strong mentally as I usually do.


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: Sabnock]
    #23362487 - 06/20/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This is interesting. What is your dosing and time interval?

From what I have gathered it's impossible to break through with this technique. What type of experience are you getting out of this? :thumbup:


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: whoiam]
    #23362562 - 06/20/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I can't provide dosing numbers as per rules of this forum

GHB is hard to get so alcohol is the closest thing. Maybe etizolam or xanax. Etizolam is openly available on the internet

I haven't mixed GHB with DMT (yet). I will do that probably in the next 3-6 months or so. I CAN tell you my dosage timing. GHB lasts about  3-4 hours. So I take G at say 0:00, then dose my psychedelic at around 2:00. The comeup is over at 3:00, maybe 3:30 and I am basically peaking for a 2-3 hours. From there its smooth sailing

Yoga and meditation daily for years have removed my trip anxiety quite a bit. So there's that

I basically do this GHB "technique" for 4acodmt, 4acomet, 4acodet, and L. Works well for me

Try drinking a few beers or vodka/gatorades as an alternative to GHB


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: whoiam]
    #23362588 - 06/20/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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whoiam said:
After watching clips on Youtube on how people react after smoking DMT I knew something wasn't right with me.

Immediately after vaporizing as little as 20-30 mg Changa I get rapid heartbeats and a strong sensation of "what have I done - I don't want to be here". It usually lasts for 30 sec up to 2 minutes.

I need to know what everyone is experiencing in terms of physical sensations after smoking low doses of DMT. Is it common to have this fight-or-flight reaction?




I get the exact same "what have I done/am doing to myself" feeling. All I can do is just dose myself and try not to expect it, or just take a big enough dose I can't fail to break through


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: topdog82]
    #23363027 - 06/20/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the advice. I will skip the GHB, it's not for me. Maybe I'll try with a few beers beforehand.

I was also wondering if a big enough dose will guarantee "passing out" or will my ego be able to fight with by gripping on to reality as I know it?

When I watch videos on Youtube, it seems like most people just instantly fall asleep, there is no sign of anxiety or anything.


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: whoiam] * 1
    #23363057 - 06/20/16 07:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If you've made it right yourself you can guarantee that you're not harming yourself. Then just remind yourself that it's only going to last 5-20 minutes.

The paranoia, panic, confusion will still happen, but remembering those things makes it easier to appreciate the excitement and adrenaline too.

I just did some changa last night beside a lake under the full moon with a lover. Was testing a new blend with a lot of harmala and crystal clear DMT in a fat blunt. The effects were instantaneous but mild; very casual build-up.

About half way through the blunt vision started sharpening and the light beams coming off the moon were arced in a mandala pattern. Thought it was going to stay at that medium level, but it can really creep up on you.

Suddenly all I could hear were the waves around me, all I could feel was my lady next to me. Everything was ultra-real and I became aware of so many aspects about myself that I was either ashamed of or proud of.

Had powerful waves of many emotions all at once, I started shivering with energy. I felt like I was finally connecting with myself and allowing myself to connect with another's energy and the energy of nature. Letting myself flow down paths that are literally guided by the moon and stars, time and space.

At that point, everything was disintegrated and we were making out. I was getting swirling rainbow CEV's, the depth, contrast and vastness of the repeating rainbow pattern was so pure I couldn't help laughing gleefully.

Did not get too deep into the fast-paced CEV flashes that pure DMT delivers. But it was way more sensually wholesome and enjoyable, lasting about 20 minutes I think. Changa is the best!

Embrace those feelings and go with the flow. I think it is possible for someone too anxious to completely block out the trip in resistance. You gotta be open to it.


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: Icon]
    #23363123 - 06/20/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like an amazing experience. I'm guessing it's not your first time. Do you think the trip changed your life in any way? It doesn't sound like you had any resistance or anxiety at all in this trip?

I'm curious about how much changa is needed if smoking a blunt. Would you need about twice as much compared to smoking in in a bong?

I have a changa which is 33% dmt freebase and 10% MAOI.


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: whoiam]
    #23363213 - 06/20/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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whoiam said:
After watching clips on Youtube on how people react after smoking DMT I knew something wasn't right with me.

Immediately after vaporizing as little as 20-30 mg Changa I get rapid heartbeats and a strong sensation of "what have I done - I don't want to be here". It usually lasts for 30 sec up to 2 minutes.

I need to know what everyone is experiencing in terms of physical sensations after smoking low doses of DMT. Is it common to have this fight-or-flight reaction?




This happens to me a lot on psyches. especially on dmt. you just gotta try and merge with the feeling and go with it. try your hardest to calm yourself with deep breathing, try and let go of the panic and just let the drug just do it do its thing. If you fight it it will only get worse, believe me I know lol.


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: whoiam]
    #23363318 - 06/20/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Sounds like an amazing experience. I'm guessing it's not your first time. Do you think the trip changed your life in any way? It doesn't sound like you had any resistance or anxiety at all in this trip?

I'm curious about how much changa is needed if smoking a blunt. Would you need about twice as much compared to smoking in in a bong?

I have a changa which is 33% dmt freebase and 10% MAOI.




It was pretty amazing, and not my first time. I feel like the culmination of my trips have definitely changed my life tho. They seem to reassure me that life is more mysterious and intricate than we could possibly appreciate. Daily struggles evaporate in the glimpse of eternity. Being next to the lake and under the moon, I felt more alive and primal than ever. It's given me faith in the power of nature and the spirit of life, from the micro to the macro. I feel like no matter how fucked up things get, life itself is essentially good and we are inseparable from it. From the cells of your body to the air, sea, sky and stars. We are.

I did have earthly anxieties during the middle once it caught me by surprise and started becoming more than I expected. That's where the magic happens, outside of expectations. But it can be scary too, not knowing what to expect. Fear and excitement are two sides of the same coin, it's pretty cool when you can appreciate it all at once. We're really still babies in this cosmic galaxy and every moment of our existence has been pretty incredible and scary when you think about it. You want that child-like fear and curiosity driving your passions and exploration. You want to keep stepping forward into the unknown; it's the only way to grow.

I think you gotta embrace your anxieties, really let yourself feel them to understand your feelings.

Personally, I started becoming anxious that I had too much and was going psychotic because everything was disintegrating into separate stimuli. Started thinking I was a loser druggie that just went too far off the rails. That I don't take care of my health well enough, and that I'm not caring enough of others. That I may be reckless, and I started to feel overexposed. Maybe it wasn't a good idea to smoke it in public, is there anyone approaching? Are they upset? What are those sounds? Are they waves, are they people? They're waves?!? Holy fuck we're next to a lake. Lakes are huge. Are we too close to the lake? Why are we here at all? How did I get here? Is this a good place?

Lots of anxieties, I was quivering with them. But to each anxiety, there's a rational, interesting potential to be realized. We were next to a beautiful lake on a gorgeous night in the city I was born in. We've both lived there many years but things clicked where we met and were together now on this night on this beach. Turns out there were people walking by, but they just kept walking because we live in a peaceful place where people respect each other's privacy and right to live. The trip climaxed with those beautiful rainbow visuals and I slowly drifted down to sanity, completely fine. I've done it many times and gone much further before, but I'm still anxious before each time. It's usually once I come down that I realize how valuable it is to take that leap and step outside myself for a moment.

Your changa mix sounds similar to mine. I put 500mg changa along with cannabis in last night's blunt, about 4 doses I estimate. I didn't expect to finish the whole thing between us, but I think we got close. I like to over-pack it so you can get as far as you want and just put it out once you're there.


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: Icon]
    #23363329 - 06/20/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I always get atleast 5 seconds of anxiety on the come up. It's just how it grabs you by the balls and the body has to immediately react to the rapid changes of perception. My body goes into the fight or flight mode every time I smoke dmt.


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23363529 - 06/20/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

How do you handle this? Is the panic making the experience bad?


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: whoiam]
    #23363536 - 06/20/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I just let it take its course. It's all part of reaching that place I find. It's not negative at all, but it's very surprising in a lack of better words. Don't think about it so much as hard as it may be and just observe what is being shown to you.


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23363539 - 06/20/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Again, it sounds like an amazing night! :smile:

Over the course of how long were you two smoking that blunt? Did you not get the feeling that you had enough? It's so diffucult for me to convince mself to take a second hit.

So normally it takes about 50 mg to break through - So if the changa is 33% freebase dmt, about 150 mg changa would be required for a breakthrough or am I wrong here?


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23363545 - 06/20/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I just let it take its course. It's all part of reaching that place I find. It's not negative at all, but it's very surprising in a lack of better words. Don't think about it so much as hard as it may be and just observe what is being shown to you.




Not so easy when my heart rate is 160 bpm and I'm really scared :confused:


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: whoiam]
    #23363558 - 06/20/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not too sure to be honest haha I've only smoked it once recently but I've been smoking alot of nn dmt and I found it to be quite similar except longer lasting. That could be because I smoked it in a joint with some weed so it burned for a while. I used roughly 50mg of changa. If I use dmt I will put about 30 mg in a joint but I don't do that too often.

Oh man I know what you mean it really gets on top of you. My heart was racing the first time I smoked dmt.


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23363613 - 06/20/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

DMT isn't for everyone. You are experiencing all the uncomfortable aspects of the come up without going any further. This is a common feeling. Some people find sub breakthrough levels of DMT less comfortable than breaking through.

On a breakthrough dose, there is no "passing out" and watching youtube videos is not going to teach you anything about the experience itself. It has to be experienced. IF you've read anything about it, you can be transported what is seemingly a different plane of consciousness/existence and having the eyes closed makes this transition easier.

A lot of the time you won't even be able to tell if your eyes are open or closed. And if you are worried about what is going to happen with your ego, then DMT is not for you. It can strip away the ego in seconds and if you fight it, it can become terrifying to exponential levels. DMT takes you away from this reality so trying to hold onto it is like trying to swim up Niagra falls.

If too high a dose is taken, sometimes someone will not be able to recall anything that happened and could be considered a "black out" but with strange feelings of having been somewhere and left with many different emotions pr bits and pieces.

This is why you must clear your mind, meditate before hand.By that I mean just mean take deep breaths, be in the proper set and setting with the intention of going far enough. DMT scares the shit out of me for the record so I make sure I can take my whole dose in one hit. No turning back at that point, ya know?

It is scary and always will be because of the sheer rapid intensity, you just have to push through it if you truly want to experience DMT.


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: The Grateful One]
    #23363713 - 06/20/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Letting go is key.


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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: Sabnock]
    #23363994 - 06/20/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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....I need to know what everyone is experiencing in terms of physical sensations after smoking low doses of DMT. Is it common to have this fight-or-flight reaction?







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Yes, it is very common/usual to experience fight or flight/Adrenaline/panic/stress/fear/anxiety when it comes to DMT (Changa or Ayahuasca), ime. ....







Yup...


I always get a rapid heart beat, and the general adrenaline / fight or flight like response when smoking the stuff. This is typical.




It's been mentioned already, but what helps me is doing some basic meditation for at least 5 minutes or so before I smoke the stuff. This all starts for me the moment I start packing the bowl or preparing the smoke. Then once the pipe is ready I'll sit in place and quiet my mind, just following my breathe until my mind is completely silent & calm.

Once I feel relaxed enough, the next thing I know the pipe is up against my lips and the lighter is being sparked (almost with out me actually consciously thinking about doing so, it just kinda happens). After exhaling the hit(s) I continue on with following my breathe which helps keep me "grounded" and focused...from there I just try to observe the experience. Even then, when I'm as relaxed and calm as can be, there's still a rapid heart beat and the feels of fight or flight/adrenaline....this just seems to be the nature of the stuff when smoked.


And when I smoke syrian rue seeds before smoking DMT, it definitely helps keep me "grounded" and more calm going into the experience .






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Re: Panic attack even at 30 mg DMT (Changa) [Re: openmind]
    #23364197 - 06/20/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:threadmonitor:

I'm in the homework preparation phase right now.

Just reading, and following recent dmt threads.


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