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Misconception about bad trips * 4
    #23361733 - 06/19/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hi, there seems to be this opinion that all these hippie buddhist shaman types have, where like, someone says "Hey i took a bunch of acid and flipped the fuck out yesterday" and they think the most appropriate response is "Damn brother much love brother from heaven, what you experienced was repressed trauma and demons coming to the surface of your mind brother much love. The way to namasta peace is to be at peace with yourself brother. Remember that all is love and chant 'I want the acid gods to jizz down my throat please rain on me from the heavens if you can hear me gods and angels. I've been very bad please heal my soul.' and you will never have a bad trip again brother."

Almost every time I flipped out while tripping it really had nothing to do with any sort of emotional turmoil or unwanted introspection or anything, it was always just because I was so high on drugs that it was uncomfortable.

I think it's a misconception that bad trips are always caused by some problem within, and that they're often just an anxiety response caused by being too high on drugs.

I definitely understand that bad trips CAN be caused by unwanted introspection, but it's definitely not always the case.

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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle] * 4
    #23361803 - 06/19/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I was talking to the LSD, DMT, psilocybin, and mescaline gods earlier and they spoke to me telling me of this post from you to come brother. They told me you would say what you did and that you are in a stage of denial; hope you exorcise those demons and bad vibes out soon. May your soul be healed soon brother.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23361877 - 06/19/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I coulda sworn sheekle said he didnt do drugs. Maybe im thinking of someone else.

You are right though. I never had a trip i could deem "bad", but the bad moments in trips are caused by feeling uncomfortable.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: ak47myth] * 1
    #23361904 - 06/19/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

No one said bad trips ONLY occur because of repressed trauma. I think you just have an unhealthy hate for hippies


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23362005 - 06/19/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I can't say I've ever seen anyone say anything like that. Usually people ask a few more questions before making even such an empty conjectured claim.

I personally don't believe in bad trips but that doesn't necessarily mean I think they happened because I 'couldn't let go' or because I had something underneath.

I can't really think that things like LSD get you "high" either. I don't even get how you could call something like that a high; it's definitely not intoxicating you and I have still seen no conclusive evidence that LSD and other classic psychedelics even get you "high" because you can get there without drugs and sure it's a change in consciousness but it's not like you're buzzing on anything.

People mistake rapid consciousness expansion for being "fucked up".


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Near Dylan]
    #23362018 - 06/19/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

being so high that it was uncomfortable is not generally what people mean by a bad trip. bad trips can happen even lower doses and high doses can be sublime. so if not how high you are that determines whether or not you are comfortable, what is it? well, it usually has to do with your psychology.

not saying every bad trip is caused caused by repressed material, but there is nothing wrong with that line of thinking as far as i am concerned and of course setting.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23362080 - 06/19/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think that's the typical response to a person reporting having a bad trip. Bad trips have many different sources, so before even beginning to think about the reason for the bad trip, these people have to first hear what about the trip was so bad. If the person that had the trip took a really high dose that they had never been anywhere near before, then obviously that would be attributable to the bad trip. If they were in a weird or scary or awkward setting, with a bunch of assholes that are being dicks and/or they're going through a rough patch in their life and they're not in a good position to be taking psychedelics, then that's an issue with set/setting. I think the only time that one of these "hippie buddhist shaman" people would say that the bad trip was the result of some repressed issues or previous trauma would be if the person who tripped outright said that they had some issues in their past or that the trip turned bad when they came to a realization that they did not want to face or something along those lines.

I don't think I've seen too many people saying that a specific bad trip was the result of issues surfacing and revealing inner demons, and I certainly haven't seen anyone say that bad trips in general are all caused by problems like that. If anything, what i see the most is people referring to bad trips as not necessarily being "bad" and always serving as valuable things to learn from, and I think that's a pretty good way to look at it, and much better than simply being upset or shaken by it and quitting psychedelics, refusing to review and understand the reason for it occurring and avoiding or confronting that issue in the future.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Peyote Road] * 3
    #23362086 - 06/19/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

There are three factors that influence a trip: mindset, setting and dosage. A problem with any one of them individually can cause a bad trip, as can a problem with any combination of the three.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: healing]
    #23362164 - 06/19/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Body load is generally what will set off a bad trip for me..


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: ShroomyBudz]
    #23362176 - 06/19/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Lots of times body load is associated with being "too high".


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: ShroomyBudz]
    #23362196 - 06/19/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Body load is generally what will set off a bad trip for me..



Brother that's just the inner demons manifesting themselves in your body one love. You remember the time in 5th grade you punched that kid in the face and felt really bad afterwards? Yeah, you subconciously held onto those emotions all these years and now they're finally coming to the surface and manifesting themselves in the form of a stiff neck, one love brother love and light.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23362210 - 06/19/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The only people here who have said that here are you and Peyote Road, and he's a fucking weirdo.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Near Dylan]
    #23362226 - 06/19/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i've only seen a few peyote road posts but they all were like "help!! i took too much mescaline!! never doing it again!!" and they were all from within a few weeks of each other lol


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23362235 - 06/19/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I've just seen him say a lot of Jesus shit and about how Amanitas are God's gift to humans


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Near Dylan]
    #23362244 - 06/19/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23362446 - 06/20/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'm with you OP. All of my "bad trips" (though I hesitate to use the term, maybe "trying experiences" is more accurate) have been caused by sheer animal panic and horror, real atavistic lizard-brain stuff. I usually find that a massive wave of panic and anxiety will simply spring out of nowhere -- it doesn't have a rational or recognizable cause, like I can't say "Oh! I'm thinking about some repressed trauma from my childhood and I'm reliving that fear." Instead the panic and terror simply comes from nowhere, and goes away by itself eventually too.

I had one of these difficult experiences about 3 or 4 days ago. I had taken the largest dose I've done in a long time, and I simply forgot how intense mushrooms could be. I was way too high and felt very uncomfortable; everything felt extremely unfamiliar to me due to the intensity of the visuals, and I guess that kicked up a fight-or-flight response in me. I was trembling like a leaf in my bed, basically out of terror and fear at nothing. There wasn't anything articulate or psychological behind it, just pure atavistic instinct.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Matai]
    #23362453 - 06/20/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I was way too high and felt very uncomfortable; everything felt extremely unfamiliar to me due to the intensity of the visuals, and I guess that kicked up a fight-or-flight response in me




You said you freaked for no reason yet you give a reason...


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23362454 - 06/20/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The only drug to make me freak out for no reason whatsoever was weed. Every time I had a bad moment on a psychedelic there was always a reason for it, not something "suppressed" though. It could be anything.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23362469 - 06/20/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I was way too high and felt very uncomfortable; everything felt extremely unfamiliar to me due to the intensity of the visuals, and I guess that kicked up a fight-or-flight response in me




You said you freaked for no reason yet you give a reason...




What I mean is, there's no reason outside of the fact that I had just taken drugs and was reacting to how they altered my perception. The OP's point was that when bad trips typically happen, they're not caused by anything more than the drugs themselves. It's not like your inability to properly deal with anger is causing a bad trip, or your conflicted feelings with your ex, or any other emotional baggage or inner turmoil. That stuff can cause bad trips, for sure, but usually it's just your instinctual reaction to the weirdness that is tripping.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Matai]
    #23362491 - 06/20/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yes this is true and I think the thing is that most sensible people already understand this.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23362703 - 06/20/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

There are a lot of things that can put you in a very uncomfortable state. Bad trips aren't rocket science though.

I've found that low blood sugar is a common issue. People tend to tell you things such as "do not eat before taking shrooms" and "fast before tripping". You stop eating and little do you know, your low blood sugar is giving you anxiety and panic attacks.

Other times the problem is simply having second thoughts upon taking the drug, or improper administration/dose. You "eat that shit raw" and your stomach happens to be a bit more sensitive to chitin than you thought. Or you "take all the good shit" when you should have started with a single blotter.

Salvia can and will give you difficult experiences, it's a kappa-opioid agonist. There's science behind that. Other drugs shouldn't put you in such a state though, there's always something else. Clumsiness, most frequently.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: haze9]
    #23362897 - 06/20/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

There's no such thing as bad trips.

You can learn just as much, if not more from a "bad trip"


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: PassiveMenis]
    #23362911 - 06/20/16 05:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

bad trips are caused by a lack of benzodiazepines


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: PassiveMenis] * 1
    #23363019 - 06/20/16 07:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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There's no such thing as bad trips.

You can learn just as much, if not more from a "bad trip"



blah blah blah


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle] * 1
    #23363039 - 06/20/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Rude.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: PassiveMenis] * 1
    #23363088 - 06/20/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

There's no such thing as rude comments.

You can learn just as much, if not more from a "rude comment".


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23363094 - 06/20/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I learned quite a lot about you just now.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23363164 - 06/20/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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bad trips are caused by a lack of benzodiazepines



Never taken a benzo in my life. Never had a bad trip either.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23363177 - 06/20/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Sheekle, my brother. This thread is just an attempt by your subconscious mind to deny your personal demons. Just let go and bob marley will accept your soul into the kingdom of heaven, brother.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23363187 - 06/20/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

For real though many things can cause bad trips. Wishing you took less and being unable to.

Having a bad mindset or uncomfortable setting (rude people, awkward situations, possibility of being caught, ect.).

Low blood sugar as was mentioned above.

Cannabis paranoia.

body load especiallybif the person was tense going intonthe experience.

Being too high.

And ofcourse sudden painful realizations, brother.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23363215 - 06/20/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I think for someone to enjoying tripping in general it helps to have a flexible view of reality to begin with. If before you've taken any drugs you're of the mindset that there's more than meets the eye you'll probably greatly enjoy tripping. I've never had a bad trip but have certainly had extremely intense trips where I had no idea who or what I was or where or when I was. It just didn't bother me to be in that state. I have known several people who have a rigid view of reality who have had "bad" experiences on hallucinogens because (I think) they were not comfortable lifting the veil. They went through their trip trying to hang on to their rigid views and couldn't rectify what they were experiencing.

I also agree that mindset, setting and dosage are important to pay attention to. Fortunately changing your mindset or setting is fairly easy.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: pmcast]
    #23363400 - 06/20/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

be careful with weed too. An awesome, laughy trip can turn into a nightmare with one hit


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Near Dylan]
    #23363415 - 06/20/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

yea fuck stupid pot


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23364072 - 06/20/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think you should try and confirm this completely. Saying that it's an act of anxiety from being too high on drugs is just another way of wording what you had previously said. And words are a construct of our own, not a foundation to establish tripping on. None of us can prove whether tripping too hard or bad tripping is more like either one of these things.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23364237 - 06/20/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, your right OP, Bad Trips are usually The Negative things rising to the top of your cognitive thinking, During a Trip your mental state is very fragile so your thoughts can Shoot from  :acidfire:  :chesire: :seriousthumbsup::trippinbawelz::mindblown: Too :myfaceismelting:  :shocking:  :shamecube: :wtfsonic: So yeah that why it is not good to take psyches if your in a bad place in your head or if you have and a mental illness. Set & Setting are everything. Good Post Sheekle!:seriousthumbsup:


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle] * 2
    #23364382 - 06/20/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I think it's a misconception that bad trips are always caused by some problem within, and that they're often just an anxiety response caused by being too high on drugs.

I definitely understand that bad trips CAN be caused by unwanted introspection, but it's definitely not always the case.

What do tou think?




This misconception comes from psychedelic psychotherapy. When someone trips in a controlled (in a good sense) setting, when everything is good outside, and when you have an introspective set, then a bad trip can be caused only by some inner problems. Even when it's not obvious and looks like being simply too fucked up.

But in our case, it's mostly just bad set&setting (or preparation, or substance purity). And such bad trips don't lead to healing or understanding, they are simply a result of stupidity. You are anxious when you feel lack of support or that you can't express some feelings or i don't know what.

And no, there is no 'too high on drugs'. Anyone can (theoretically) take a huge dose of psych's and have a great time. If you feel bad, there is always a cause. Try to understand it.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23364520 - 06/20/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I don't agree at all. I had a negative experience at Hulaween because of the interpersonal relationship problems i was having at the time with several groups of people, and dealing with the passing of my aunt.

Going into a trip in a bad mindset or environment may make things difficult for people to handle the trip, plain and simple. Going into a trip in an overstimulating environment may also be bad. Furthermore, not taking care of your body like drinking enough fluids, getting enough sleep before hand may also negatively impact the experience.

Take care of your body/mind and don't do these drugs in sketch situations or around people that are sketch. Set and Setting.

PS, you and yogabunny were a few of the more positive experiences at the festival.


also, i'll add that 'bad' trips, more aptly termed 'difficult psychedelic experiences' are what's been recently deemed as some of the more productive experiences a patient can have, I'd look at the recent end-of-life anxiety studies conducted with LSD, really good reads. Even MAPS is saying this.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23364720 - 06/20/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I have known people that are in a very stable generally happy place in reality that have really bad trips. I've also known people that are  very  anti-social and anxious that have extremely good trips. I've been sucker punched by a bad trip after having ten good trips in a row without changing the setting, dose or any other variables. Tripping is only a dream. Occasionally you have a nightmare.
If a dream is bad just think of it as gibberish rather then take it personally.
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: kyu]
    #23365000 - 06/20/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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And no, there is no 'too high on drugs'. Anyone can (theoretically) take a huge dose of psych's and have a great time. If you feel bad, there is always a cause. Try to understand it.




Says who? I'm sure you can theoretically have a great time, but to say that it's impossible to get too high is just silly. If you genuinely believe that, you might as well eat nothing but ten-strips and heroic doses every single time, no?


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Matai]
    #23365066 - 06/20/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thats basically what I take every time I trip, and I don't ever have a bad trip


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    #23365127 - 06/20/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

That's all well and good. I'm happy to accept that some people can eat as much acid as they want without experiencing any bad trips or difficult experiences, but I honestly think that they are the minority. The rest of us mere mortals are more than capable of panicking and losing our shit if faced with a large enough dose.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Matai]
    #23365213 - 06/20/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

yea taking 10 tabs instead of 3 in the same set and setting can produce drastically different results.


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    #23365678 - 06/21/16 02:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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bad trips are caused by a lack of benzodiazepines




Bad Trips = Bad Mindset and Setting / Too high Dose / Combining (Weed)

Benzo's can save you from a disaster :smile:


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: YeOlde] * 1
    #23365702 - 06/21/16 03:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Ive never used benzos during a trip but i always have some around. Its extremely comforting to know that you have a way out in case shit really hits the fan. That alone is usually enough to prevent bad trips for me.


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    #23365720 - 06/21/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I have known people that are in a very stable generally happy place in reality that have really bad trips. I've also known people that are  very  anti-social and anxious that have extremely good trips. I've been sucker punched by a bad trip after having ten good trips in a row without changing the setting, dose or any other variables. Tripping is only a dream. Occasionally you have a nightmare.
If a dream is bad just think of it as gibberish rather then take it personally.
Psychedelics will spin you round and round trying to pin them down.
Once you think you've got it figured out they move the goalpost.



This:thumbup: I have had "difficult moments" during trips that have been anecdotally ultimately helpful. I have also seen a bad trip or two with no other way to describe them both IMO related to alcohol consumption.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: pineninja]
    #23366314 - 06/21/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

well i think it's good to analyze bad trips. in my experience, most of the time they happened because i was doing something wrong in my life and was being too immature or lazy to do anything about it. bad trips have opened my eyes (cliche, i know) and helped me progress just as much as good trips have.
but, i have of course just taken too much and the body load was way too uncomfortable and it made me want to jump out of my skin


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23366699 - 06/21/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Why so bitter? It's probably why you have bad trips


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Near Dylan]
    #23366701 - 06/21/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

most of my bad trips were, as sheekle says, just from discomfort as far as I could tell, especially with shrooms. Nausea makes me hate everything. Hence my preference for LSD


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23367001 - 06/21/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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.....Almost every time I flipped out while tripping it really had nothing to do with any sort of emotional turmoil or unwanted introspection or anything, it was always just because I was so high on drugs that it was uncomfortable.

I think it's a misconception that bad trips are always caused by some problem within, and that they're often just an anxiety response caused by being too high on drugs.

I definitely understand that bad trips CAN be caused by unwanted introspection, but it's definitely not always the case.

What do tou think?






I've never really heard from anyone that thinks bad trips are always/mostly caused by problems within, internal issues, introspection, etc. I think anyone that's somewhat experienced & knowledgeable of psychedelics knows that all sorts of things can set a trip off into a bad direction.


...Like you said, it definitely happens but not always the case.





I've lost count of how many trips I've had over the past 10 years, probably somewhere around 150 to 175 with the classic psychedelics...and only once have I had an experience that I'd label a "bad trip", and that occurred last year . It had nothing to do with emotional issues or unwanted introspection about myself, or even dosing "too high" and tripping too hard/uncomfortably high.

I was tripping pretty hard but wasn't too high and it wasn't a super high dose (about 2g of ps cyans)....out of no where I had a random thought about being seen picking the mushrooms I harvested earlier in the day (patch was in a public area), and ultimately thought I was going to be caught up with a warrant on my place...Once the original simple thought was planted, my entire trip and thought process started to spiral out of control....very quickly I was in a full blown panic/anxiety/dread/fear, by far the most frightened and stressed out I've ever been in my life) .

I've posted & spoke about it on here before, but this is the story of what happened to me that night>>>>

First "bad time" after 9 years & 100+ trips




To those that say, "there's no such thing as a bad trip"... or, "Bad trips are when you learn the most" :rolleyes: . I really don't see how that applies to that experience I had. Only thing I've learned is how excruciating and terrible and "bad" trip can be.

Other than that one time, I've never really come anywhere close to having a bad trip, or being uncomfortably high from dosing a wee too much, all my experiences have been smooth sailing.






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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: openmind]
    #23367106 - 06/21/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I've never had a trip that I didn't learn something from, so I've never had a bad trip.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: openmind]
    #23367108 - 06/21/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Roll your eyes if you want. From MAPS' website:

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Psychedelic Harm Reduction

This year, millions of people will use psychedelics outside of supervised medical contexts, many of them for the first time. Many psychedelic users are unprepared to tend to a psychedelic-induced difficult experience if one were to arise. As part of our efforts to minimize harm related to the non-medical use of psychedelics, on this page we provide advice for helping someone having a difficult psychedelic experience.

It is not uncommon for psychedelic users to have difficult psychedelic experiences. This is most likely to happen with first-time users, especially with high doses and without adequate preparation or guidance. These experiences are sometimes called "bad trips."

A difficult psychedelic experience is not necessarily a bad one. With proper preparation and understanding, it is possible to help a person having a difficult experience to receive the most benefit from it. Difficult psychedelic experiences can be frightening, but also among the most valuable experiences someone can have. Difficult psychedelic experiences can be the result of external factors, such as a chaotic environment or traumatic events, or the result of painful or troubling emotions that arise during the experience.

By working with these experiences, rather than trying to "talk someone down," together the sitter and the psychedelic user can make a difficult psychedelic experience a chance for personal growth.




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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Matai]
    #23367133 - 06/21/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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And no, there is no 'too high on drugs'. Anyone can (theoretically) take a huge dose of psych's and have a great time. If you feel bad, there is always a cause. Try to understand it.




Says who? I'm sure you can theoretically have a great time, but to say that it's impossible to get too high is just silly. If you genuinely believe that, you might as well eat nothing but ten-strips and heroic doses every single time, no?




I meant 'try to understand that cause if you are feeling uncomfortable on high doses'. Just in case you took it offensive.

And yep, one might take a heroic dose and have a good time, and then take another heroic dose and get 'too high'-like bad trip. So why the first one was great? If there was a 'too high' limit, it would always appear at some point. But no, sometimes you feel great and sometimes you feel overdosed.

I have had some bad trips on very small doses, and I have had wonderful (yet crazy) trips on heroic doses. There obviously is a psychological component. And that anxiety may come from inner or outer world, of course. Don't you think your personality may have influence on your mood, reactions, feelings, behavior and whatever? Don't you think other people or setting may have influence on you? You don't really believe it's that simple, do you?

Anyway, it's great you have your own view on things, I really needed more criticism some time ago, reading all these Grofs and Learys and other psychedelic fans.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: openmind]
    #23367148 - 06/21/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I think it always comes down to not being able to let go and giving in to anxieties


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    #23368141 - 06/21/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Roll your eyes if you want. From MAPS' website:

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....A difficult psychedelic experience is not necessarily a bad one. With proper preparation and understanding, it is possible to help a person having a difficult experience to receive the most benefit from it. Difficult psychedelic experiences can be frightening, but also among the most valuable experiences someone can have. Difficult psychedelic experiences can be the result of external factors, such as a chaotic environment or traumatic events, or the result of painful or troubling emotions that arise during the experience.

By working with these experiences, rather than trying to "talk someone down," together the sitter and the psychedelic user can make a difficult psychedelic experience a chance for personal growth.









I completely agree with that ^^^ ...but that doesn't necessarily apply to every single "bad" trip or freak out.

What I don't agree with is people that make it sound like "all bad trips are when & where one learns the most" . Sometimes that's the case, sometimes it's not.




I don't feel that "bad trips are when one learns the most"  applied to me what so ever during the bad experience I was talking about in that post..It had nothing to do with a chaotic environment or any sort of external factor, or past traumatic events, etc.. etc.....In that situation I absolutely did not need someone to have discussion with me to "gain personal growth" or to get to the root of some internal issue, that's not at all what I had going on....In that situation I just simply needed someone to talk with, conversation in general about anything, and that talk helps to bring me down.


Another trip that this didn't apply to is when my friend took 3 tabs of very potent LSD at a party of sorts not knowing how strong they were. He was barely holding on and was having a very rough/difficult time. His troubles were simply the result of dosing really high and being unexpectedly and uncomfortably high in a setting that wasn't the most ideal....He didn't need to have discussion about some internal issue, he just needed to change the setting, walk around, and have simple casual conversation with someone to make a break in the stress/anxiety and loops he was going through.






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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23368258 - 06/21/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

U do havea  point.

For me, a bad trip is when things get so overwhelming, i van no longer handle it or no longer want it to occur. It had little to do with bad memories resurfacing.

Also, i wanna know who actually posts like that "one love" "brother namaste" :lol:


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