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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23365127 - 06/20/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

That's all well and good. I'm happy to accept that some people can eat as much acid as they want without experiencing any bad trips or difficult experiences, but I honestly think that they are the minority. The rest of us mere mortals are more than capable of panicking and losing our shit if faced with a large enough dose.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Matai]
    #23365213 - 06/20/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

yea taking 10 tabs instead of 3 in the same set and setting can produce drastically different results.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23365678 - 06/21/16 02:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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howsyournaggerdoin said:
bad trips are caused by a lack of benzodiazepines




Bad Trips = Bad Mindset and Setting / Too high Dose / Combining (Weed)

Benzo's can save you from a disaster :smile:


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: YeOlde] * 1
    #23365702 - 06/21/16 03:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Ive never used benzos during a trip but i always have some around. Its extremely comforting to know that you have a way out in case shit really hits the fan. That alone is usually enough to prevent bad trips for me.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23365720 - 06/21/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Love_spirit said:
I have known people that are in a very stable generally happy place in reality that have really bad trips. I've also known people that are  very  anti-social and anxious that have extremely good trips. I've been sucker punched by a bad trip after having ten good trips in a row without changing the setting, dose or any other variables. Tripping is only a dream. Occasionally you have a nightmare.
If a dream is bad just think of it as gibberish rather then take it personally.
Psychedelics will spin you round and round trying to pin them down.
Once you think you've got it figured out they move the goalpost.



This:thumbup: I have had "difficult moments" during trips that have been anecdotally ultimately helpful. I have also seen a bad trip or two with no other way to describe them both IMO related to alcohol consumption.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: pineninja]
    #23366314 - 06/21/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

well i think it's good to analyze bad trips. in my experience, most of the time they happened because i was doing something wrong in my life and was being too immature or lazy to do anything about it. bad trips have opened my eyes (cliche, i know) and helped me progress just as much as good trips have.
but, i have of course just taken too much and the body load was way too uncomfortable and it made me want to jump out of my skin


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23366699 - 06/21/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Why so bitter? It's probably why you have bad trips


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Near Dylan]
    #23366701 - 06/21/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

most of my bad trips were, as sheekle says, just from discomfort as far as I could tell, especially with shrooms. Nausea makes me hate everything. Hence my preference for LSD


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23367001 - 06/21/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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.....Almost every time I flipped out while tripping it really had nothing to do with any sort of emotional turmoil or unwanted introspection or anything, it was always just because I was so high on drugs that it was uncomfortable.

I think it's a misconception that bad trips are always caused by some problem within, and that they're often just an anxiety response caused by being too high on drugs.

I definitely understand that bad trips CAN be caused by unwanted introspection, but it's definitely not always the case.

What do tou think?






I've never really heard from anyone that thinks bad trips are always/mostly caused by problems within, internal issues, introspection, etc. I think anyone that's somewhat experienced & knowledgeable of psychedelics knows that all sorts of things can set a trip off into a bad direction.


...Like you said, it definitely happens but not always the case.





I've lost count of how many trips I've had over the past 10 years, probably somewhere around 150 to 175 with the classic psychedelics...and only once have I had an experience that I'd label a "bad trip", and that occurred last year . It had nothing to do with emotional issues or unwanted introspection about myself, or even dosing "too high" and tripping too hard/uncomfortably high.

I was tripping pretty hard but wasn't too high and it wasn't a super high dose (about 2g of ps cyans)....out of no where I had a random thought about being seen picking the mushrooms I harvested earlier in the day (patch was in a public area), and ultimately thought I was going to be caught up with a warrant on my place...Once the original simple thought was planted, my entire trip and thought process started to spiral out of control....very quickly I was in a full blown panic/anxiety/dread/fear, by far the most frightened and stressed out I've ever been in my life) .

I've posted & spoke about it on here before, but this is the story of what happened to me that night>>>>

First "bad time" after 9 years & 100+ trips




To those that say, "there's no such thing as a bad trip"... or, "Bad trips are when you learn the most" :rolleyes: . I really don't see how that applies to that experience I had. Only thing I've learned is how excruciating and terrible and "bad" trip can be.

Other than that one time, I've never really come anywhere close to having a bad trip, or being uncomfortably high from dosing a wee too much, all my experiences have been smooth sailing.






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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: openmind]
    #23367106 - 06/21/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I've never had a trip that I didn't learn something from, so I've never had a bad trip.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: openmind]
    #23367108 - 06/21/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Roll your eyes if you want. From MAPS' website:

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Psychedelic Harm Reduction

This year, millions of people will use psychedelics outside of supervised medical contexts, many of them for the first time. Many psychedelic users are unprepared to tend to a psychedelic-induced difficult experience if one were to arise. As part of our efforts to minimize harm related to the non-medical use of psychedelics, on this page we provide advice for helping someone having a difficult psychedelic experience.

It is not uncommon for psychedelic users to have difficult psychedelic experiences. This is most likely to happen with first-time users, especially with high doses and without adequate preparation or guidance. These experiences are sometimes called "bad trips."

A difficult psychedelic experience is not necessarily a bad one. With proper preparation and understanding, it is possible to help a person having a difficult experience to receive the most benefit from it. Difficult psychedelic experiences can be frightening, but also among the most valuable experiences someone can have. Difficult psychedelic experiences can be the result of external factors, such as a chaotic environment or traumatic events, or the result of painful or troubling emotions that arise during the experience.

By working with these experiences, rather than trying to "talk someone down," together the sitter and the psychedelic user can make a difficult psychedelic experience a chance for personal growth.




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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Matai]
    #23367133 - 06/21/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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kyu said:
And no, there is no 'too high on drugs'. Anyone can (theoretically) take a huge dose of psych's and have a great time. If you feel bad, there is always a cause. Try to understand it.




Says who? I'm sure you can theoretically have a great time, but to say that it's impossible to get too high is just silly. If you genuinely believe that, you might as well eat nothing but ten-strips and heroic doses every single time, no?




I meant 'try to understand that cause if you are feeling uncomfortable on high doses'. Just in case you took it offensive.

And yep, one might take a heroic dose and have a good time, and then take another heroic dose and get 'too high'-like bad trip. So why the first one was great? If there was a 'too high' limit, it would always appear at some point. But no, sometimes you feel great and sometimes you feel overdosed.

I have had some bad trips on very small doses, and I have had wonderful (yet crazy) trips on heroic doses. There obviously is a psychological component. And that anxiety may come from inner or outer world, of course. Don't you think your personality may have influence on your mood, reactions, feelings, behavior and whatever? Don't you think other people or setting may have influence on you? You don't really believe it's that simple, do you?

Anyway, it's great you have your own view on things, I really needed more criticism some time ago, reading all these Grofs and Learys and other psychedelic fans.


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: openmind]
    #23367148 - 06/21/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I think it always comes down to not being able to let go and giving in to anxieties


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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: 404]
    #23368141 - 06/21/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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404 said:
Roll your eyes if you want. From MAPS' website:

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Psychedelic Harm Reduction

....A difficult psychedelic experience is not necessarily a bad one. With proper preparation and understanding, it is possible to help a person having a difficult experience to receive the most benefit from it. Difficult psychedelic experiences can be frightening, but also among the most valuable experiences someone can have. Difficult psychedelic experiences can be the result of external factors, such as a chaotic environment or traumatic events, or the result of painful or troubling emotions that arise during the experience.

By working with these experiences, rather than trying to "talk someone down," together the sitter and the psychedelic user can make a difficult psychedelic experience a chance for personal growth.









I completely agree with that ^^^ ...but that doesn't necessarily apply to every single "bad" trip or freak out.

What I don't agree with is people that make it sound like "all bad trips are when & where one learns the most" . Sometimes that's the case, sometimes it's not.




I don't feel that "bad trips are when one learns the most"  applied to me what so ever during the bad experience I was talking about in that post..It had nothing to do with a chaotic environment or any sort of external factor, or past traumatic events, etc.. etc.....In that situation I absolutely did not need someone to have discussion with me to "gain personal growth" or to get to the root of some internal issue, that's not at all what I had going on....In that situation I just simply needed someone to talk with, conversation in general about anything, and that talk helps to bring me down.


Another trip that this didn't apply to is when my friend took 3 tabs of very potent LSD at a party of sorts not knowing how strong they were. He was barely holding on and was having a very rough/difficult time. His troubles were simply the result of dosing really high and being unexpectedly and uncomfortably high in a setting that wasn't the most ideal....He didn't need to have discussion about some internal issue, he just needed to change the setting, walk around, and have simple casual conversation with someone to make a break in the stress/anxiety and loops he was going through.






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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
    #23368258 - 06/21/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

U do havea  point.

For me, a bad trip is when things get so overwhelming, i van no longer handle it or no longer want it to occur. It had little to do with bad memories resurfacing.

Also, i wanna know who actually posts like that "one love" "brother namaste" :lol:


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