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Misconception about bad trips 4
#23361733 - 06/19/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi, there seems to be this opinion that all these hippie buddhist shaman types have, where like, someone says "Hey i took a bunch of acid and flipped the fuck out yesterday" and they think the most appropriate response is "Damn brother much love brother from heaven, what you experienced was repressed trauma and demons coming to the surface of your mind brother much love. The way to namasta peace is to be at peace with yourself brother. Remember that all is love and chant 'I want the acid gods to jizz down my throat please rain on me from the heavens if you can hear me gods and angels. I've been very bad please heal my soul.' and you will never have a bad trip again brother."
Almost every time I flipped out while tripping it really had nothing to do with any sort of emotional turmoil or unwanted introspection or anything, it was always just because I was so high on drugs that it was uncomfortable.
I think it's a misconception that bad trips are always caused by some problem within, and that they're often just an anxiety response caused by being too high on drugs.
I definitely understand that bad trips CAN be caused by unwanted introspection, but it's definitely not always the case.
What do tou think?
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle] 4
#23361803 - 06/19/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was talking to the LSD, DMT, psilocybin, and mescaline gods earlier and they spoke to me telling me of this post from you to come brother. They told me you would say what you did and that you are in a stage of denial; hope you exorcise those demons and bad vibes out soon. May your soul be healed soon brother.
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I coulda sworn sheekle said he didnt do drugs. Maybe im thinking of someone else.
You are right though. I never had a trip i could deem "bad", but the bad moments in trips are caused by feeling uncomfortable.
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: ak47myth] 1
#23361904 - 06/19/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No one said bad trips ONLY occur because of repressed trauma. I think you just have an unhealthy hate for hippies
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
#23362005 - 06/19/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't say I've ever seen anyone say anything like that. Usually people ask a few more questions before making even such an empty conjectured claim.
I personally don't believe in bad trips but that doesn't necessarily mean I think they happened because I 'couldn't let go' or because I had something underneath.
I can't really think that things like LSD get you "high" either. I don't even get how you could call something like that a high; it's definitely not intoxicating you and I have still seen no conclusive evidence that LSD and other classic psychedelics even get you "high" because you can get there without drugs and sure it's a change in consciousness but it's not like you're buzzing on anything.
People mistake rapid consciousness expansion for being "fucked up".
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Near Dylan]
#23362018 - 06/19/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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being so high that it was uncomfortable is not generally what people mean by a bad trip. bad trips can happen even lower doses and high doses can be sublime. so if not how high you are that determines whether or not you are comfortable, what is it? well, it usually has to do with your psychology.
not saying every bad trip is caused caused by repressed material, but there is nothing wrong with that line of thinking as far as i am concerned and of course setting.
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I don't think that's the typical response to a person reporting having a bad trip. Bad trips have many different sources, so before even beginning to think about the reason for the bad trip, these people have to first hear what about the trip was so bad. If the person that had the trip took a really high dose that they had never been anywhere near before, then obviously that would be attributable to the bad trip. If they were in a weird or scary or awkward setting, with a bunch of assholes that are being dicks and/or they're going through a rough patch in their life and they're not in a good position to be taking psychedelics, then that's an issue with set/setting. I think the only time that one of these "hippie buddhist shaman" people would say that the bad trip was the result of some repressed issues or previous trauma would be if the person who tripped outright said that they had some issues in their past or that the trip turned bad when they came to a realization that they did not want to face or something along those lines.
I don't think I've seen too many people saying that a specific bad trip was the result of issues surfacing and revealing inner demons, and I certainly haven't seen anyone say that bad trips in general are all caused by problems like that. If anything, what i see the most is people referring to bad trips as not necessarily being "bad" and always serving as valuable things to learn from, and I think that's a pretty good way to look at it, and much better than simply being upset or shaken by it and quitting psychedelics, refusing to review and understand the reason for it occurring and avoiding or confronting that issue in the future.
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Peyote Road] 3
#23362086 - 06/19/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are three factors that influence a trip: mindset, setting and dosage. A problem with any one of them individually can cause a bad trip, as can a problem with any combination of the three.
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: healing]
#23362164 - 06/19/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Body load is generally what will set off a bad trip for me..
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: ShroomyBudz]
#23362176 - 06/19/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lots of times body load is associated with being "too high".
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: ShroomyBudz]
#23362196 - 06/19/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomyBudz said: Body load is generally what will set off a bad trip for me..
Brother that's just the inner demons manifesting themselves in your body one love. You remember the time in 5th grade you punched that kid in the face and felt really bad afterwards? Yeah, you subconciously held onto those emotions all these years and now they're finally coming to the surface and manifesting themselves in the form of a stiff neck, one love brother love and light.
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
#23362210 - 06/19/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The only people here who have said that here are you and Peyote Road, and he's a fucking weirdo.
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Near Dylan]
#23362226 - 06/19/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i've only seen a few peyote road posts but they all were like "help!! i took too much mescaline!! never doing it again!!" and they were all from within a few weeks of each other lol
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
#23362235 - 06/19/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've just seen him say a lot of Jesus shit and about how Amanitas are God's gift to humans
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Near Dylan]
#23362244 - 06/19/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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amanita ravioli give me the formioli
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Sheekle]
#23362446 - 06/20/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm with you OP. All of my "bad trips" (though I hesitate to use the term, maybe "trying experiences" is more accurate) have been caused by sheer animal panic and horror, real atavistic lizard-brain stuff. I usually find that a massive wave of panic and anxiety will simply spring out of nowhere -- it doesn't have a rational or recognizable cause, like I can't say "Oh! I'm thinking about some repressed trauma from my childhood and I'm reliving that fear." Instead the panic and terror simply comes from nowhere, and goes away by itself eventually too.
I had one of these difficult experiences about 3 or 4 days ago. I had taken the largest dose I've done in a long time, and I simply forgot how intense mushrooms could be. I was way too high and felt very uncomfortable; everything felt extremely unfamiliar to me due to the intensity of the visuals, and I guess that kicked up a fight-or-flight response in me. I was trembling like a leaf in my bed, basically out of terror and fear at nothing. There wasn't anything articulate or psychological behind it, just pure atavistic instinct.
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Matai]
#23362453 - 06/20/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Matai said: I was way too high and felt very uncomfortable; everything felt extremely unfamiliar to me due to the intensity of the visuals, and I guess that kicked up a fight-or-flight response in me
You said you freaked for no reason yet you give a reason...
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The only drug to make me freak out for no reason whatsoever was weed. Every time I had a bad moment on a psychedelic there was always a reason for it, not something "suppressed" though. It could be anything.
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Matai said: I was way too high and felt very uncomfortable; everything felt extremely unfamiliar to me due to the intensity of the visuals, and I guess that kicked up a fight-or-flight response in me
You said you freaked for no reason yet you give a reason...
What I mean is, there's no reason outside of the fact that I had just taken drugs and was reacting to how they altered my perception. The OP's point was that when bad trips typically happen, they're not caused by anything more than the drugs themselves. It's not like your inability to properly deal with anger is causing a bad trip, or your conflicted feelings with your ex, or any other emotional baggage or inner turmoil. That stuff can cause bad trips, for sure, but usually it's just your instinctual reaction to the weirdness that is tripping.
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Re: Misconception about bad trips [Re: Matai]
#23362491 - 06/20/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes this is true and I think the thing is that most sensible people already understand this.
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