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TheThirdEye
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Why can't mycelium stay alive forever?
#23361343 - 06/19/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You know gow there's a mushroom in Oregon that's been living for years? How come you can't keep stacking cakes and adding nutrients for it to keep growing and eventually have a fat ass cake? Why does mycelium die?
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: TheThirdEye]
#23361364 - 06/19/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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why cant people live forever? why do people die? why does all life not just live on forever?
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: mupetmower]
#23361366 - 06/19/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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mupetmower said: why cant people live forever? why do people die? why does all life not just live on forever?
without seeming like a dick. i think this might be the right answer to this question lol.
unless youre looking for some scientific reason mycelium in specific, doesnt live forever? but thats going a bit far if you ask me. once a plant or a mold has gone through its cycles and run out of hydration and nutrients; it dies.
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: TheThirdEye] 1
#23361367 - 06/19/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheThirdEye said: Why does mycelium die?
Because it is alive... Totally common side effect of life.
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: mupetmower]
#23361368 - 06/19/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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But technically like the honey mushroom in oregon if theres a continuous amount of nutrients it will keep growing right? Also how come people recommend crumbling spent cakes in soil? How do they not contaminate?
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: TheThirdEye]
#23361374 - 06/19/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheThirdEye said: But technically like the honey mushroom in oregon if theres a continuous amount of nutrients it will keep growing right? Also how come people recommend crumbling spent cakes in soil? How do they not contaminate?
fully colonized myc is super resistant to contamination. also, dirt in the ground outside has a LOT of antibacterials and mold resistance in general. so spreading spent cakes outdoors in a patch of dirt is a GREAT way to get more mushrooms out of your spent mycelium. but that doesnt mean its living forever lol. youre just getting as much out of it as humanly possible.
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23361428 - 06/19/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not because fully colonized mycelium is resistant to contamination that you can spawn spent cakes outside... Spent cakes are not very resistant to contamination. It's because growing outside is easier compared to indoors due to the balanced microbiological ecosystem. Mold can't take over a huge spot of soil in the ground because the soil was never sterilized and mold was never allowed to get a foothold. Mold would be too busy fighting the millions of other organisms in the soil, and anything that already had a huge chunk of living mycelium would immediately have a head start. When you spawn cakes outside it's not really the cakes/substrates that are fruiting anymore, so much as the soil you spawned them to. It's called super spawning and it's really only effective outside.
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LocN9ne said:
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TheThirdEye said: Why does mycelium die?
Because it is alive... Totally common side effect of life.
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: Inocuole]
#23361441 - 06/19/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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the true shroomery nerds only gets to see half of inocs posts...
I wanna make grandma come back and live forever! There is a grandma living in Oregon now, why cant my grandma be like her?
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: spacechildo]
#23361447 - 06/19/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: the true shroomery nerds only gets to see half of inocs posts...
I wanna make grandma come back and live forever! There is a grandma living in Oregon now, why cant my grandma be like her? 
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Inocuole said: what you're proposing is like feeding grandma a whole glazed ham on her deathbed and expecting that to add another 20 years to her life.
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: Inocuole]
#23361514 - 06/19/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just spawned a substrate that fruited twice into more trays and they took off to growing
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: Inocuole]
#23361516 - 06/19/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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too much cell division
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: Inocuole]
#23361556 - 06/19/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: For context
the half your posts comment was regarding your ninja edits
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: cronicr]
#23361891 - 06/19/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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cronicr said: too much cell division
Especially since the genes you're using all germinated at inoc.
I'd imagine the honey mushroom patch in Oregon is spreading out into much younger patches and anastomosis would prolong senescence.
Technically mycelium could last forever if it wasn't growing anymore. Like in a fridge
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: spacechildo]
#23361918 - 06/19/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I always wonder how one "ninja edits"
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23361922 - 06/19/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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you have a few minutes to edit without it saying the post is edited
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: cronicr]
#23361931 - 06/19/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh really? Never knew that
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23361942 - 06/19/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah there is a mark post as edited option..it goes away
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: cronicr]
#23361997 - 06/19/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#23362031 - 06/19/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not about staying alive forever, it's about evolving and not going extinct.
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: cronicr]
#23362065 - 06/19/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not unless you're the immortal jellyfish
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: Mad Season]
#23362116 - 06/19/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's a lot of bacteria that are basically immortal too if you could supply them with nutrient and take the waste away.
For fungi the mating types are out on the telomeres of the chromosomes and are thus fragile with age
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: spacechildo]
#23362737 - 06/20/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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Inocuole said: For context
the half your posts comment was regarding your ninja edits 
Well, I do like to ninja edit. Sometimes I've gone too hard on a noob and I need to dial back a peg. Sometimes I realize I left out a really good burn and I gotta tack that on at the end. Sometimes I just mistype something or use words that sound stupid together and don't realize it til I reread the post after it's submitted. Ninja editing is the shit.
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: Inocuole]
#23362847 - 06/20/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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spacechildo said:
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Inocuole said: For context
the half your posts comment was regarding your ninja edits 
Well, I do like to ninja edit. Sometimes I've gone too hard on a noob and I need to dial back a peg. Sometimes I realize I left out a really good burn and I gotta tack that on at the end. Sometimes I just mistype something or use words that sound stupid together and don't realize it til I reread the post after it's submitted. Ninja editing is the shit.
I do this as well dood. Sometimes it just flies out and its perfect and other times I reread it and say to myself "What the fuck was I doing?" then I quick edit that and fix the mistakes. I will say my grammar isn't perfecto by any means.
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: Inocuole]
#23362969 - 06/20/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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spacechildo said:
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Inocuole said: For context
the half your posts comment was regarding your ninja edits 
Well, I do like to ninja edit. Sometimes I've gone too hard on a noob and I need to dial back a peg. Sometimes I realize I left out a really good burn and I gotta tack that on at the end. Sometimes I just mistype something or use words that sound stupid together and don't realize it til I reread the post after it's submitted. Ninja editing is the shit.
this guy lol. dont you dare ninja edit any insults thrown my way. i love that shit.
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: TheThirdEye]
#23362996 - 06/20/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who says it dies, depending on the conditions it sould last quite some time. Ive actually got 1.5 yr old dryed out samples(pastyplates) that were stored in a shoe box. Started back with the exception of just a couple days extra growth time.
Check out this craziness. 1.5 yrs old pan cam lc. No refrigeration and in the same shoe box with weird ass growths in it. Suprisingly clean and tested on agar.
at 3 months 
at 1.5 years
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#23363000 - 06/20/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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preschooler said: Who says it dies, depending on the conditions it sould last quite some time. Ive actually got 1.5 yr old dryed out samples(pastyplates) that were stored in a shoe box. Started back with the exception of just a couple days extra growth time.
Check out this craziness. 1.5 yrs old pan cam lc. No refrigeration and in the same shoe box with weird ass growths in it. Suprisingly clean and tested on agar.
at 3 months 
at 1.5 years 
even keeping a single culture alive forever is impossible. while it will take some time, senescence(?) will take over after awhile and growth will become minute/dead EVENTUALLY. not an expert on this process, but i know SOME science i think.
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23363090 - 06/20/16 07:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well of course if you keep growing the same culture over and over it will catch senescence and become dead or slow eventually. Like doing a g2g over and over. But the question was why cant it cant it live forever. I believe it can with the correct storage and manipulation of the culture. If its stored correctly its technically still alive, just dormant. Personally Idk how long theshelf life on dry or even powdered mycelium samples would last. But I could imagine just by my research that the shelf life would last well beyond 2yrs. Refrigerated samples could last 20 or even a lifetime. I would suspect longer.
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Re: Why can't mycelium stay alive forever? [Re: Tomandjerry58] 1
#23363414 - 06/20/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you have a cryo freezer -60 -70C you can store cultures longer than a lifetimelifetime. There's a special procedure for putting them in and taking them out
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