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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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InvisibleKurt
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Re: Humor [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23375795 - 06/24/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Why would you say that necessarily? There does not need to be a story.

You can intellectually know what is right or wrong; true or false.

To do something well, or in certain form, and excellence can be without ego.

You can talk about right or wrong in a broader sense too, in terms of stories you tell. You can guide yourself that way too, but also fall into traps of expectation, like expectation of the world to fullfill your narrative..

To stay on topic, humor, like failure, seems to be in those stories - which we all rely on - the moment when they turn upside down.

But anyway, who is beyond ego?


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Re: Humor [Re: Kurt]
    #23376055 - 06/24/16 04:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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But anyway, who is beyond ego?




true. There has been much confusion over 'the ego' through various cultures and traditions. The idea that one can become 'egoless'. And with this idea comes a great deal of hypocrisy and deceit. So-called 'holy men', gurus, pretending/thinking they have no ego and their followers believing it and letting them get away with murder!

In reality selflessness and self-ish are a dynamic


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InvisibleKurt
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Re: Humor [Re: zzripz]
    #23376803 - 06/24/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

What you are saying is too broad on a few accounts. Arguably, it isn't reality, or something in reality in any definite sense, for instance. It is more like a connection of a stream of points (consciously acting upon, doing, thinking about doing) making a rationale or story. That story can have expectations of the world meeting it, that are unrealistic. We all tend to do this though. Still, overarching reality would be indescript.

"Ego" is latin for "I", and this is a concept, isn't exactly a well defined or culture-to-culture translated concept. The way Indian philosophy conceives of something like ego in one way, for instance is not the same as western cultures do. It is less true that there are problems with other traditions conceptions of the world and more true that they get lost in translation, and then exploited in transaction...

People try making some arguments or suggestions about how a "self" belongs in the world
. Of course the way we live is not just in terms of arguments, even if that would be the burden. That is probably the closest to a broad definition relating to reality I'd propose.


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Re: Humor [Re: Kurt]
    #23376851 - 06/24/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

so what did you mean then
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but anyway, who is beyond ego?




well then maybe someone should start a thread here called eg 'how do you define 'ego'?, and see how those who embrace Eastern traditions here especially respond. I am guessing it will be how I think it is. An idea of being 'selfless'. No ulterior motives

And I stand by what I say that it is the idea one can become conscious of the whole of the unconscious and thus have no unknown hidden motivations. A good book which spells this out is called The Guru papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power


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