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Severe depression after taking acid yesterday
#23361016 - 06/19/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yesterday I took a tab of acid that was supposed to contain 150mcg. This was my first exposure to LSD but I have taken mushrooms six times now as well as DMT.
I recently moved back in with folks (mom, aunt, aunts new husband, 50 yr old cousin...), but my mom was gone for a few days staying at her friends house taking care the dog, and my aunt and her husband were gone as well so I figured I'd take it at home.
Less than 2 hours after I take my dose, I get a call from my aunt that my mom is in the ER. She was walking her friends dog and it chased after a squirrel suddenly, and she got yanked to the ground and broke her arm in two places. I wasn't there when it happened - my aunt brought her home after her visit to the ER, but I had to ride along in my aunts car so we could go to her friends house and take my moms car home since she was too drugged up on pain meds to drive.
Of course this significantly threw off my trip as expected, it was a pretty serious fall and my mom is 60 years old. After I got home, I started to feel worse and worse, around the 4 hr mark and onward. By the time I went to bed I wished I would die in my sleep. There was some anxiety but largely it was depressive symptoms (anhedonia and hopelessness)
I'm in a bad place in my life right now and my depressive symptoms are nothing new but this is particularly bad. I just feel hopeless. I was hoping the LSD would behave similarly to my experiences with shrooms, serving as a humbling tool for introspection and giving me a fresh start. But it was largely a confounding and depressing experience that I took nothing out of.
Now I worry that what I took wasn't actually LSD (even though it was tasteless and lasted about 10 hrs) and that it somehow caused brain damage of some kind, because the depression I've felt today is unusually intense.
My question is...what should I do? Will this pass with time? I've told my therapist about my mushroom use, and now I'm very concerned about telling him that I used acid too, especially because it had no positive effects.
Edited by Sub Rosa (06/19/16 02:41 PM)
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Sub Rosa]
#23361038 - 06/19/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry to hear about your mom that's horrible , just relax I'm not sure if you are religious but God always helps me through rough times and the thought that it's going to be alright most everything is temporary and will fade after my father died at 50 I became depressed and scared to trip but now its been 2years you learn to respect life and how fragile it is a beautiful fucked up thing but just breathe try listening to some positive music and think of everyone in this world trying to survive we all in it together Hapiness is just a state of mind try our best to spread love and do Good
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Sub Rosa]
#23361057 - 06/19/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry to hear about your mom, I hope she heals up well!
I think what you're experiencing should pass. Something like that happening would shake anyone up a bit, especially in the middle of an acid trip. Give yourself a few days to work yourself out and help your mom out. I'm sure you'll feel better soon. 
If you're still feeling shaken up after a few days, bring it up to your therapist. You don't have to include the fact that you were on acid of you don't feel comfortable doing so.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: JackExo]
#23361063 - 06/19/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Perhaps you have attrack bad spirit on you !!
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Sub Rosa]
#23361066 - 06/19/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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This happens, and can be fairly common after positive & uneventful experiences. You got some scary news, which would fuck with your head regardless of whether any substances were at work. You should be back to your normal within a couple days. Psychedelic experiences...no matter what the substance was, are very taxing. Profound changes occur within your neurochemistry, and it takes a bit for that to level out. Hence afterglows & periods of depression following a psychedelic experiences. It's the natural order of things that the body strives for homeostasis, so right now your body is hard at work bringing things back into balance. You can help the process by getting rest, hydrating & eating a nutrient rich diet. Sorry to hear about your mom. I hope she heals up swiftly.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: JackExo]
#23361080 - 06/19/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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SHROOMYG said: Sorry to hear about your mom that's horrible , just relax I'm not sure if you are religious but God always helps me through rough times and the thought that it's going to be alright most everything is temporary and will fade after my father died at 50 I became depressed and scared to trip but now its been 2years you learn to respect life and how fragile it is a beautiful fucked up thing but just breathe try listening to some positive music and think of everyone in this world trying to survive we all in it together Hapiness is just a state of mind try our best to spread love and do Good 
Well I'm not religious, my mom is though. Thanks for the kind words
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JackExo said: Sorry to hear about your mom, I hope she heals up well!
I think what you're experiencing should pass. Something like that happening would shake anyone up a bit, especially in the middle of an acid trip. Give yourself a few days to work yourself out and help your mom out. I'm sure you'll feel better soon. 
If you're still feeling shaken up after a few days, bring it up to your therapist. You don't have to include the fact that you were on acid of you don't feel comfortable doing so.
It certainly shook me up but the end of the acid trip was just making me notice how fucked up our family life is and how my life just seems to be going nowhere, the best times seem like they're long behind me now. Having this happen to my mom in the midst of my depression also made me feel selfish because I'm focused on how depressed I've been feeling lately, instead of focusing on her. Instead of being around her and talking to her I've just been even more reclusive than normal (something I didn't think possible), though she knows I will help her if she needs it.
Edited by Sub Rosa (06/19/16 03:05 PM)
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Sub Rosa]
#23361108 - 06/19/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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In my opinion, it wasnt the acid, whether real or something similar: it was just a matter of bad luck
In any case, since you said you're in a bad place in your life, take this as a gift: not all bad things come to hurt
Find in them the strenght to rise above your situation
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Sub Rosa]
#23361110 - 06/19/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea for me LSD is a very poignant psychedelic so not really as happy and optimistic as mushrooms. Definitely not as optimistic.
You shouldn't have taken it thinking it would make you feel rejuvenated and cleansed like mushrooms because LSD doesn't really do that. I'm sure you got real LSD and no you did not get brain damage.
It's barley been a day man. Take some MDMA, smoke some weed and forget about it.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23361136 - 06/19/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: Take some MDMA, smoke some weed and forget about it.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23361147 - 06/19/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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lay off the drugs for a while and work on getting your head and heart straight
you are experiencing real life, which has lots of trials and tribulations, and paving that over with drugs now will not make it easier to deal with when you hit another bad patch in the future. you will have more bad stuff happen in your life, count on it
dosing when your underlying mental and emotional foundation is wobbly seems like a recipe for disaster. learn to deal with life with a sound head and heart
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23361383 - 06/19/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Again, speak for yourself & not in absolutes. LSD most certainly makes myself & many others feel cleansed & rejuvenated afterwards, whereas mushrooms don't. IME, as well as that of many others there is nothing optimistic & happy about mushrooms.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Dark_Star]
#23361393 - 06/19/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's weird because mushrooms are more cleansing and spiritual for me than LSD. I feel burnt after LSD but not with mushrooms. :V I don't even want to dose about 100ug right now; 50ug sounds like a nice dose for a walk in the park.
I'd eat 5 grams mush tonight if I had it. The mushroom is like a prayer for me. I ask it a question and I always get an answer that I need.
Also, turn off your phone and don't answer the door, etc... I read a story here once that I think it was their brother had died or their father and they learned it during the trip and they were severely distraught.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: dixienormous]
#23361409 - 06/19/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've found in my years with these substances & this culture that most folks I've come across feel the opposite. Theses substances don't affect everyone the same way, and all too often people project their experiences on to the substance itself, as well as everyone's experience with it. And that's completely invalid & inaccurate.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Dark_Star]
#23361438 - 06/19/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Again, speak for yourself & not in absolutes. LSD most certainly makes myself & many others feel cleansed & rejuvenated afterwards, whereas mushrooms don't. IME, as well as that of many others there is nothing optimistic & happy about mushrooms.
I never said LSD doesn't, just not as much. I wasn't speaking for myself either. I almost never do that. I never bring up things like this unless I actually see a universal pattern.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Sub Rosa]
#23361446 - 06/19/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Give it a little time Rosa, maybe a week. The drug induced desperation should slowly pass. I have sometimes felt bad too after lsd, as if life is aimless, and all my efforts are futile. This was just a kind of exhaustion. In time all this healed. Drugs don't solve any problems, it's best to take them only if you're in a good mind set.
Also, this is where it all went wrong:
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Sub Rosa said: Less than 2 hours after I take my dose, I get a call...
I always unplug all phones in the house when I trip, unplug the doorbell even. No matter what happens, however bad, I do not want to be told in the middle of a trip. Better to hear it after the fact then to get shaken up in the middle. We are all adults. It's ok to be unreachable for a few hours for personal reasons.
Best wishes to your mom.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23361457 - 06/19/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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And I've seen the complete opposite pattern. Again, you're projecting.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23361465 - 06/19/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Again, speak for yourself & not in absolutes. LSD most certainly makes myself & many others feel cleansed & rejuvenated afterwards, whereas mushrooms don't. IME, as well as that of many others there is nothing optimistic & happy about mushrooms.
I never said LSD doesn't, just not as much. I wasn't speaking for myself either. I almost never do that. I never bring up things like this unless I actually see a universal pattern.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Dark_Star]
#23361472 - 06/19/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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How am I projecting? That doesn't make sense in this context. I may have seen the opposite too a few times but just seeing something a few times doesn't mean it changes the whole game. I'm generalizing. These drugs have certain reputations for a reason. Stereotypes and motifs don't just come from nowhere.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88] 1
#23361503 - 06/19/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Again, speak for yourself & not in absolutes. LSD most certainly makes myself & many others feel cleansed & rejuvenated afterwards, whereas mushrooms don't. IME, as well as that of many others there is nothing optimistic & happy about mushrooms.
I never said LSD doesn't, just not as much. I wasn't speaking for myself either. I almost never do that. I never bring up things like this unless I actually see a universal pattern.
he's saying that you SHOULD only speak for yourself, especially when you say things like "universal pattern." words mean things, and i don't think you know what "universal" means.
you sometimes come across as being very certain of things that simply aren't so
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23361511 - 06/19/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're projecting your own experience & that of others you've seen on the drugs & community as whole. Your generalization is invaild & inaccurate. I've come across thousands & thousands of psychedelic consumers over the years. IME the vast majority get more spiritual, rejuvenating & cleansing experiences from LSD as opposed to mushrooms. I know countless people that can't stand shrooms, and won't take them anymore because they don't like them & don't get anything out of them. Whereas LSD provides an enlightening & refreshing experience. In fact it's only on this board that I really come across large amounts of people that enjoy & experience lasting benefits of shrooms. This is why no one; you, myself, anyone else can ever say that one is better than the other. Because they affect different people differently, and plenty of people prefer the one or the other. Despite the fact that I don't like mushrooms, and I've come across thousands of people that prefer LSD, I won't say that LSD is better in general. Just that it's better for many of us. I don't deny that many people are benefited more by shrooms , even I've come across fewer of those people. Meanwhile, you're stating mushrooms are more optimistic & rejuvenating than LSD, which is just not true. They are for you, and for many others you know. However many others disagree....enough to make your generalization completely invalid.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: LuzaW]
#23361523 - 06/19/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not certain of anything. I admit that it is my own subjective analysis but I refuse to believe that the actual experiences in general are that subjective. People may interpret things relatively differently but that doesn't mean what they experienced was that different.
In fact one of the things I've learned through using psychedelics over the years is that this stuff isn't NEARLY as subjective as people think.
I think it's ridiculous to just go by your own experience. If you just go by your own experience then your claims/opinions have no real integrity to them. The interesting stuff comes when you see common archetypes and undeniable patterns. If I actually went by just my own experiences then I would go into MUCH more detail.
Why are you claiming that I don't know what universal means? Is that seriously your argument?
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Dark_Star]
#23361527 - 06/19/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: I've come across thousands & thousands of psychedelic consumers over the years. IME the vast majority get more spiritual, rejuvenating & cleansing experiences from LSD as opposed to mushrooms.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23361552 - 06/19/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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"universal" means all or every. not all people, not everyone has the same view as you do on L vs mush, so it's hardly a universal pattern
words mean things, sometimes very specific things. word your posts more carefully and you will gain credibility. you clearly have experience, just be more careful about what you say and how you say it
i'm not going to get into a bunch of back and forth with you on this, i've had my say
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23361558 - 06/19/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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IME means something, look it up
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: LuzaW]
#23361570 - 06/19/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's a pattern that goes over the universal I'm not saying it completely covers it. I don't want to argue guys I'm just saying that I don't think these things are as subjective as we like to think. I have definitely seen patterns and like I said stereotypes don't come from nowhere.
My point is that people are different not so much the experiences and how they work. It's the router that's different not the signal that the router receives.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23361595 - 06/19/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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LSD felt more like a party drug for stoners than a spirtual experience like mushrooms. But, everyone has different neurochemistry and I can see why some might prefer LSD...but it seems to have more of an energizing effect than psychedelic one.
It served no spiritual or otherwise introspective purposes for me, though given my circumstances I'm not surprised. The psychedelic effects were very weak, but it also caused me to have disorganized thinking and forgetfulness, it felt like some dirty stimulant with mild psychedelic effects.
I'm definitely sticking with mushrooms from now on, but I think I'll give them a rest for a while. I've also significantly cut down on my weed usage to just 2-3 times a month on average.
At this point it seems like introspection is actually harming me more than helping. I should instead focus more on meditation and quieting the mind.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: Yea for me LSD is a very poignant psychedelic so not really as happy and optimistic as mushrooms. Definitely not as optimistic.
You shouldn't have taken it thinking it would make you feel rejuvenated and cleansed like mushrooms because LSD doesn't really do that. I'm sure you got real LSD and no you did not get brain damage.
It's barley been a day man. Take some MDMA, smoke some weed and forget about it.
I was never optimistic on mushrooms, they actually brought my closer to reality and made me much more skeptical and gounded. It was never an inherent positive or negative experience, but more of a spiritual/sensory enhancing one.
Also I hope you're joking about the MDMA, that's a terrible idea. There is strong evidence that MDMA is neurotoxic.
Edited by Sub Rosa (06/19/16 06:35 PM)
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Sub Rosa]
#23361647 - 06/19/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya I usually recommend meditation to people who are in your situation but honestly if the trip was as bad as you made it sound I would definitely take MDMA within a few days of that and I never take MDMA; haven't taken it in years actually.
I won't say you should do it but just saying that's what I would do. I don't see what it being a neurotoxic has to do with anything.
I also wouldn't turn away LSD just from this one experience. LSD when you have a good normal trip generally feels the opposite of "dirty". I found LSD to be a profound and spiritual experience like mushrooms just different and less primordial/eternal. I also found LSD to be more introspective than mushrooms but in a different way.
It's all about set and setting with LSD and honestly I would say that applies to LSD even more than it does to mushrooms.
Mushrooms for me is like a rollercoaster of emotions and how I feel by the beginning of the trip is almost always exactly the opposite of how I feel towards the end and pretty much every time I trip with someone else on them it's the same thing. I feel it takes me to all the extremes emotionally and attitude-wise whether subtly or not.
In the beginning of the trip I can feel very pessimistic and apprehensive but by the end I pretty much always feel optimistic and euphoric which is pretty much the opposite of that.
I could see how mushrooms could make someone more skeptical in like a core way. I mean they made me more skeptical than anything before even trying LSD.
LSD I think though has a more skeptical feel and in a different phenomenological kind of way like simulation theory if you know what I'm saying. I think LSD fits more into the category of jungian views on psychedelic trips and consciousness and I still consider myself a jungian thinker despite this whole "debate".
Mushrooms is like a cosmic giggle.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Dark_Star]
#23361648 - 06/19/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it's all personal preference. They both take me to a similar place
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: SHROOMYG]
#23367666 - 06/21/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dark Star, it's just a whatever thing mate. LSD makes me feel completely fried in comparison to mushrooms. Seriously, like I'm using a stimulant.
Most of the recent trips I just felt like I was doing damage with LSD. I know I probably wasn't but I'm not sure... I just feel FRIED. I still feel fried and I have not dosed in two months. My entire perspective on life has been changed with LSD. I don't really need to dose above 50ug right now.
I was thinking about eating half a gellie with my friend but that's about it at the moment.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: dixienormous]
#23367707 - 06/21/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psychedelics aren't all love, peace, and bliss. You can have some very horrible experiences especially if set and setting gets bad. Just give it time, eat healthy, exercise, and try to think positively, it should pass.
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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said: Psychedelics aren't all love, peace, and bliss. You can have some very horrible experiences especially if set and setting gets bad. Just give it time, eat healthy, exercise, and try to think positively, it should pass.
Thanks for the love. At the beginning when I found high quality doses I could eat it a few times a month and 300ug was comfortable. Last time I ate 150ug I freaked out and hyperventilated the whole time. My friends told me if I keep eating it when I don't get anything out of it then I'm going down a bad road. I'll take a long break besides a few microdoses until some aspects of my life are improved.
Thanks again 
Yeeah, just a few days ago I realized what I said to my friend when I forgot some of the peak on 200ug and I cried to him and hugged him; that was my first strong LSD trip and it has been almost a year. I think I have a lot to process.
I told him I'd been going through a really hard time and his kindness changed me. I sorta made a scene at the rave but he dealt with it and I couldn't really see cx. No wonder he has been so nice to me, lol. That was the first time I met him too.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: dixienormous]
#23367924 - 06/21/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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dixienormous said: Dark Star, it's just a whatever thing mate. LSD makes me feel completely fried in comparison to mushrooms. Seriously, like I'm using a stimulant.
Yea acid can leave me pretty spacey if everything isn't perfect. Also LSD seems to "revitalize" me but not so much rejuvenates me at least not as cleanly or was often as shrooms.
And I also feel like LSD does change your mind forever in this weird way making if easier to get back to that headspace even with other drugs.
Last time I did LSD I was on only 100ug but it was very mentally strenuous and felt like I was slowly losing my mind or just inching closer to be being a little further away from reality even in the long term.
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