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AuroraBorealis88
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: LuzaW]
#23361523 - 06/19/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not certain of anything. I admit that it is my own subjective analysis but I refuse to believe that the actual experiences in general are that subjective. People may interpret things relatively differently but that doesn't mean what they experienced was that different.
In fact one of the things I've learned through using psychedelics over the years is that this stuff isn't NEARLY as subjective as people think.
I think it's ridiculous to just go by your own experience. If you just go by your own experience then your claims/opinions have no real integrity to them. The interesting stuff comes when you see common archetypes and undeniable patterns. If I actually went by just my own experiences then I would go into MUCH more detail.
Why are you claiming that I don't know what universal means? Is that seriously your argument?
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Dark_Star]
#23361527 - 06/19/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: I've come across thousands & thousands of psychedelic consumers over the years. IME the vast majority get more spiritual, rejuvenating & cleansing experiences from LSD as opposed to mushrooms.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23361552 - 06/19/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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"universal" means all or every. not all people, not everyone has the same view as you do on L vs mush, so it's hardly a universal pattern
words mean things, sometimes very specific things. word your posts more carefully and you will gain credibility. you clearly have experience, just be more careful about what you say and how you say it
i'm not going to get into a bunch of back and forth with you on this, i've had my say
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23361558 - 06/19/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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IME means something, look it up
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AuroraBorealis88
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: LuzaW]
#23361570 - 06/19/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's a pattern that goes over the universal I'm not saying it completely covers it. I don't want to argue guys I'm just saying that I don't think these things are as subjective as we like to think. I have definitely seen patterns and like I said stereotypes don't come from nowhere.
My point is that people are different not so much the experiences and how they work. It's the router that's different not the signal that the router receives.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23361595 - 06/19/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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LSD felt more like a party drug for stoners than a spirtual experience like mushrooms. But, everyone has different neurochemistry and I can see why some might prefer LSD...but it seems to have more of an energizing effect than psychedelic one.
It served no spiritual or otherwise introspective purposes for me, though given my circumstances I'm not surprised. The psychedelic effects were very weak, but it also caused me to have disorganized thinking and forgetfulness, it felt like some dirty stimulant with mild psychedelic effects.
I'm definitely sticking with mushrooms from now on, but I think I'll give them a rest for a while. I've also significantly cut down on my weed usage to just 2-3 times a month on average.
At this point it seems like introspection is actually harming me more than helping. I should instead focus more on meditation and quieting the mind.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: Yea for me LSD is a very poignant psychedelic so not really as happy and optimistic as mushrooms. Definitely not as optimistic.
You shouldn't have taken it thinking it would make you feel rejuvenated and cleansed like mushrooms because LSD doesn't really do that. I'm sure you got real LSD and no you did not get brain damage.
It's barley been a day man. Take some MDMA, smoke some weed and forget about it.
I was never optimistic on mushrooms, they actually brought my closer to reality and made me much more skeptical and gounded. It was never an inherent positive or negative experience, but more of a spiritual/sensory enhancing one.
Also I hope you're joking about the MDMA, that's a terrible idea. There is strong evidence that MDMA is neurotoxic.
Edited by Sub Rosa (06/19/16 06:35 PM)
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Sub Rosa]
#23361647 - 06/19/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya I usually recommend meditation to people who are in your situation but honestly if the trip was as bad as you made it sound I would definitely take MDMA within a few days of that and I never take MDMA; haven't taken it in years actually.
I won't say you should do it but just saying that's what I would do. I don't see what it being a neurotoxic has to do with anything.
I also wouldn't turn away LSD just from this one experience. LSD when you have a good normal trip generally feels the opposite of "dirty". I found LSD to be a profound and spiritual experience like mushrooms just different and less primordial/eternal. I also found LSD to be more introspective than mushrooms but in a different way.
It's all about set and setting with LSD and honestly I would say that applies to LSD even more than it does to mushrooms.
Mushrooms for me is like a rollercoaster of emotions and how I feel by the beginning of the trip is almost always exactly the opposite of how I feel towards the end and pretty much every time I trip with someone else on them it's the same thing. I feel it takes me to all the extremes emotionally and attitude-wise whether subtly or not.
In the beginning of the trip I can feel very pessimistic and apprehensive but by the end I pretty much always feel optimistic and euphoric which is pretty much the opposite of that.
I could see how mushrooms could make someone more skeptical in like a core way. I mean they made me more skeptical than anything before even trying LSD.
LSD I think though has a more skeptical feel and in a different phenomenological kind of way like simulation theory if you know what I'm saying. I think LSD fits more into the category of jungian views on psychedelic trips and consciousness and I still consider myself a jungian thinker despite this whole "debate".
Mushrooms is like a cosmic giggle.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (06/19/16 06:53 PM)
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: Dark_Star]
#23361648 - 06/19/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it's all personal preference. They both take me to a similar place
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: SHROOMYG]
#23367666 - 06/21/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dark Star, it's just a whatever thing mate. LSD makes me feel completely fried in comparison to mushrooms. Seriously, like I'm using a stimulant.
Most of the recent trips I just felt like I was doing damage with LSD. I know I probably wasn't but I'm not sure... I just feel FRIED. I still feel fried and I have not dosed in two months. My entire perspective on life has been changed with LSD. I don't really need to dose above 50ug right now.
I was thinking about eating half a gellie with my friend but that's about it at the moment.
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: dixienormous]
#23367707 - 06/21/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psychedelics aren't all love, peace, and bliss. You can have some very horrible experiences especially if set and setting gets bad. Just give it time, eat healthy, exercise, and try to think positively, it should pass.
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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said: Psychedelics aren't all love, peace, and bliss. You can have some very horrible experiences especially if set and setting gets bad. Just give it time, eat healthy, exercise, and try to think positively, it should pass.
Thanks for the love. At the beginning when I found high quality doses I could eat it a few times a month and 300ug was comfortable. Last time I ate 150ug I freaked out and hyperventilated the whole time. My friends told me if I keep eating it when I don't get anything out of it then I'm going down a bad road. I'll take a long break besides a few microdoses until some aspects of my life are improved.
Thanks again 
Yeeah, just a few days ago I realized what I said to my friend when I forgot some of the peak on 200ug and I cried to him and hugged him; that was my first strong LSD trip and it has been almost a year. I think I have a lot to process.
I told him I'd been going through a really hard time and his kindness changed me. I sorta made a scene at the rave but he dealt with it and I couldn't really see cx. No wonder he has been so nice to me, lol. That was the first time I met him too.
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AuroraBorealis88
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Re: Severe depression after taking acid yesterday [Re: dixienormous]
#23367924 - 06/21/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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dixienormous said: Dark Star, it's just a whatever thing mate. LSD makes me feel completely fried in comparison to mushrooms. Seriously, like I'm using a stimulant.
Yea acid can leave me pretty spacey if everything isn't perfect. Also LSD seems to "revitalize" me but not so much rejuvenates me at least not as cleanly or was often as shrooms.
And I also feel like LSD does change your mind forever in this weird way making if easier to get back to that headspace even with other drugs.
Last time I did LSD I was on only 100ug but it was very mentally strenuous and felt like I was slowly losing my mind or just inching closer to be being a little further away from reality even in the long term.
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