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Myco_illogic
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anyone practice Hinduism
#23360784 - 06/19/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some quick reading got me to realize my religious beliefs are very similar to Hindu beliefs. I'm interested in learning of this faith, specifically shaktism, and it's vast history. Anyone in here practice it? Or any good sources to learn more? Plan to read some of the scriptures sometime...
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AuroraBorealis88
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it's my ideology to not inherently attach myself to other ideologies because there is no real base for assumptions or claims
I don't believe there is a real ground to stand on therefore no real ideologies to hold onto. You're limiting yourself by doing this technically and trying to confirm something to yourself. You want it all to make sense.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (06/19/16 12:52 PM)
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Myco_illogic said: Some quick reading got me to realize my religious beliefs are very similar to Hindu beliefs. I'm interested in learning of this faith, specifically shaktism, and it's vast history. Anyone in here practice it? Or any good sources to learn more? Plan to read some of the scriptures sometime...
What aspects of Shaktism spoke to you most?
May be able to dig out some sources from my old course packs, but do not want to inundate you with poetry from Bhakti traditions if you are more interested in reference texts, or vice-versa.
The Shakta branch of Hinduism has some interesting philosophy, narratives and devotional hymns.
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Moonshoe
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Yes I study and practice Santana dharma (Hinduism)
For reading - the Bhagavad Gita and Upanishads are a good start For practice - yoga and meditation.
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Re: anyone practice Hinduism [Re: Moonshoe]
#23361829 - 06/19/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I met a man who was selling books at a festival. He claimed he was seeking donations.
I first asked if he would do a trade and he said "I'm a monk, I don't do much of anything."
I offered him $10 and he insisted I give $5 more. I told him I didn't have 5 more and he insisted I give him any singles or whatever more I had. Anything more than the donation I offered. He proceeded to tell me about karma and reincarnation and krishna. I tried to tell him ways that karma doesn't make sense and he was rude and interrupted me and insisted I was wrong.
I came across another one trying to do the same to me. I told him if his wisdom was the cure to all suffering then why didn't he give it away for free? If you believe that your wisdom is the cure to end all suffering, then you would want the entire world to know. He told me maybe I should sponsor him, as if it was my wisdom to be dispensing.
The next day I crossed crossed paths with the original "monk" and he greeted me.
I told him that I felt he was dishonest with me when he said he was offering wisdom for donations when my donation wasn't enough. He was selling his "wisdom." I told him he came across as greedy and manipulative. I mentioned that if he truly believed in his wisdom he would be giving it away for free. His response was that people only value what they pay for.
I explained to him that since intent is a major part of karma, not believing in karma at all will keep your intentions purer than if you subconsciously believe you are gaining points for a next life. You should live right and do good things because that is the world you want to live in. Since we all come from the same source, when you do wrong to others you are doing wrong to the source that is also a part of you, so there is your "karma". All things are connected.
I also mentioned that since karmic punishment is a form of justice, if implies you not only shouldn't help those who are hurting but that you are interfering with karma when doing so- and that would be bad karma.
It also blames the victim. If someone is kidnapped, raped, and murdered according to karma the perpetrator will have a seriously harsh next life. But it also says that the person that is kidnapped, raped, and murdered DESERVED such punishment. So it perpetuates wickedness ad infinitum.
No one can escape acquiring bad karma in their life time, and no amount of good karma undoes the bad. Therefor, based on karma and reincarnation, it is impossible to break free from eternal punishment through doing good works. We have to teach children not to lie and steal.
The book he sold me was the Bhagavad Gita. Unfortunately for him, if his "wisdom" is correct he acquired some bad karma for causing me to not take what is in the book seriously based on our interactions. He literally said he does nothing, and evil creeps while good men sleep. I made sure to tell him I forgive him.
In a way it also seems kind of creepy to me to believe in reincarnation. So I'm basically supposed to believe that I'm not actually this person, but a person that lived before me who died. So basically give my body over to a person who no longer lives- sounds like a recipe to become possessed.
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Moonshoe
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Check out this thread for some information for someone beginning the Hindu Path




Let me know if you have any questions at all I would be happy to discuss any aspect of Hindu religion.
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Myco_illogic
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Re: anyone practice Hinduism [Re: Moonshoe]
#23362416 - 06/20/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im looking at Hinduism out of interest, because what I've read on it makes me feel its similar to my own religious views. I plan to look to their lifestyle and spiritual practices to compare and learn from. Honestly, @moonshoe my main interests lie around meditation, ayurveda, and maybe some yoga lol. I feel like a lot of Hindu practices strengthen the soul and mind..
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Myco_illogic said: Im looking at Hinduism out of interest, because what I've read on it makes me feel its similar to my own religious views. I plan to look to their lifestyle and spiritual practices to compare and learn from. Honestly, @moonshoe my main interests lie around meditation, ayurveda, and maybe some yoga lol. I feel like a lot of Hindu practices strengthen the soul and mind..
Then check out the thread I linked there.
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ImSl8
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MrBlueYoMind said:
In a way it also seems kind of creepy to me to believe in reincarnation. So I'm basically supposed to believe that I'm not actually this person, but a person that lived before me who died. So basically give my body over to a person who no longer lives- sounds like a recipe to become possessed.
Wrong. Reincarnation is an experience. It happens every moment through time. You are the Atman. Not separate from Brahman. Look, Truth is One. It teaches us that we are everyone, to see the Lord in everyone. You misinterpret.
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Re: anyone practice Hinduism [Re: ImSl8]
#23363271 - 06/20/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Reincarnation is a universal process of the transformation of energy and consciousness.
It in no way puts you at risk of possession, and it happens equally whether you believe in or understand it or not.
Thats what Hindus believe anyways.
The key point of reincarnation in that doctrine is to focus in this life on meditation, yoga and spirituality so that you can attain a better rebirth and eventually, cease the cycle of rebirth by attaining Nirvana.
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ImSl8
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Re: anyone practice Hinduism [Re: Moonshoe]
#23363274 - 06/20/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Exactly. Thank you <3
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Re: anyone practice Hinduism [Re: ImSl8]
#23363325 - 06/20/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Reincarnation makes no sense. What did the first living being come back as?
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ImSl8
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To you, it makes no sense. It makes perfect sense to me...
Energy can neither be created or destroyed, only transformed from form to form; out of the formless.
Look up the law of conservation of energy, evidently since you didn't learn about it in school. Too bad it doesn't click with you.
Edited by ImSl8 (06/20/16 06:35 PM)
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Re: anyone practice Hinduism [Re: ImSl8]
#23364763 - 06/20/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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ImSl8 said: To you, it makes no sense. It makes perfect sense to me...
Energy can neither be created or destroyed, only transformed from form to form; out of the formless.
Look up the law of conservation of energy, evidently since you didn't learn about it in school. Too bad it doesn't click with you.
You've resorted to indirect insults rather than just explaining your position. I hold the same thought of reincarnation that you might from what I can gather, but insinuating someone is uneducated for not arriving at the same conclusion is needless.
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Re: anyone practice Hinduism [Re: PatrickKn]
#23364901 - 06/20/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do not but I have read some of the Tibetan Book Of the Dead which is fascinating and I highly recommend checking it out.
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Re: anyone practice Hinduism [Re: PatrickKn]
#23364913 - 06/20/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said:
I explained to him that since intent is a major part of karma, not believing in karma at all will keep your intentions purer than if you subconsciously believe you are gaining points for a next life. You should live right and do good things because that is the world you want to live in. Since we all come from the same source, when you do wrong to others you are doing wrong to the source that is also a part of you, so there is your "karma". All things are connected.
Sound familiar? Atman-Brahman, Raindrop-Ocean, Human-Universe, Man is image of God, Christ, etc....
So the point of believing you lived before and will live again is to focus on this life only? That doesn't make sense at all. Believing in previous and next lives and karma itself has you literally focused on anything but this life. You blame yourself in this life for pain that is out of your control for things you cannot possibly remember from a previous life, all while trying to obtain enough points while not getting any bad points so that your next life won't be as bad as your current. That doesn't sound like being in the now in the slightest.
A Hindu man I met from India said your points are added up and if you have more positive karma points you go to a higher realm to spend those excess points until its balanced, then reincarnate here to work off the bad points while the good points give you a certain quality of life.
It is impossible to liberate oneself through works. One will always acquire bad karma in their life, thus necessitating a rebirth to pay off the debts.
We have to teach children not to steal and lie.
How does your whole life not revolve around your next life if you believe in karma?
Did meditation help or hurt the Buddhists in Afghanistan and the Hindus in Pakistan seeing as how they are both muslim countries now?
Do you guys think you have any bad karma that would necessitate reincarnation?
If reincarnation is actually just the source incarnating over and over (which makes the term re-incarnation redundant sense each identity is different), how can a point of awareness go from one place to the next and back if it isn't actually in existence independently?
Karma literally is perpetual suffering compounded forever. Imagine two piles, one with joy and one with suffering. If a person causes someone suffering it adds a stone to the suffering pile, they are supposed to be on the receiving end of some kind of suffering. So when that suffering occurs, we throw another stone on the suffering pile. So now for every bad action, there is 2 bad actions. And since that second bad action occurred, it needs to be redeemed with suffering, and this continues forever does it not?
Doesn't the "law of karma" dictate that the people who got shot in Orlando deserved to get shot based on previous lives behavior, and their families deserve their pain they are going through because of unprovable bad karma they were owed?
If intent is the biggest factor in karma, not believing in karma and being a genuinely good person is superior. If one believes in karma, and believes they are owed some sort of good karma for past behavior, then doesn't that automatically negate all their good karma since they're intentions are to earn your way to a better realm rather than just being pleasant because that's the way to be?
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Edited by MrBlueYoMind (06/20/16 08:30 PM)
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I am a devotee of Shakti, Durga devi. I go to Hindu temples during Navaratri, Janmashtmi, Dawalli, and Shivarathri and enjoy some rituals such as Mata Ki Chowki. I especially like the kirtan and bajan singing. Back in the day it was a lot better than now. In the beginning I did ayahuasca at the Hindu temple ceremonies and it would give everyone there a contact high. The bhajans and kirtans were epic. It was like the Goddess wanted me to do this.
Eventually i quit doing this because the drug wasn't needed anymore. The Devi energy just flowed like electricity or water. Then after i moved away it's like the devotion just seemed to slowly die. After this, something happened in my life that proved to me that karma is a total fraud. There are beings that have the ability to transfer karma by tricking one into accepting karma that isn't their own.
Over the last several months i don't know exactly what happened, but it's almost like something died. It feels like the devotion is forced and most people who are going are doing so only because it's expected or they want something other than devotion itself. The Pewaukee Hindu temple even canceled mata ki chowki next month. The Madison temple is even worse, the priest they have only wants money, and won't even sing from the heart.
They put on a CD or use an ipod and people even sing even the Arati half-heartedly. No Christian church would do this while reciting the Lord's Prayer. It's awful. This month they completely skipped the Satyanaryan puja ritual on guru poornima of all days. Very sad.
I imagine that Durga is doing an 8 handed face-palm at this point. To be honest i love the Hindu spirituality, Shakti, and the kirtans, but as far as everything else goes i'm starting to loose the religion.
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