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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: qman]
    #23367247 - 06/21/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Why are you deflecting? Are you really claiming that we have Christianity to thank for American secularism?


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: koods] * 1
    #23367309 - 06/21/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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When it comes to homosexuality, Muslims suck and Christians suck. In the US, Muslims have almost zero influence on culture and laws, while Christians dominate politics here. Gay people feel the effects of religious intolerance all the time in this country, and it isn't the Muslims. If a gay kid gets kicked out of the house for being gay (and this still happens a lot ) you can almost be guaranteed it's because the parents are Christian.



That's just as bad as being killed, isn't it?



So, gays should just shut up about any form of discrimination that doesn't result in death? I'm getting tired of hearing Christians and their apologists essentially trying to convince gay people they are actually our allies in a war against Islam. Christianity and Islam have essentially the same opinion about gay people. Christians may not kill a lot of gay people in this country, but they are the main opposition to gay civil rights, One attack by a Muslim doesn't excuse the Christians for their sins.



What would you rather have Islam or Christianity? Well at least we know one thing for sure womens rights are better in Christianity. When a women cheats on her husband they dig a hole for her and stone to death but at the same time men can have up to 4 wives (This is Saudi Arabia laws so no im not making this up). At least in the Roman empire (mainly christians) they had 2 gay emperors. A gay emperor of a empires thats majority christians? You would never hear shit like that in Pakistan today nevermind 100s of years ago lol. I'm not saying you shouldn't feel offended when someone hates of who you are but that's just hate opinions you can't just thought police everyone. Also you can tell if someones black or not but for gays I cant at all so at least people won't automatically look at you in the streets and somehow know your gay to sprout shit at you. I get some shit too but can't control peoples minds or speech but at least I live in a country where most of the population can accept me but if I lived in the middle east people wouldn't consider me human


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: koods] * 3
    #23367365 - 06/21/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Oh please Koods don't be a hypocrite you are the master of deflection in this thread


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: koods] * 2
    #23367579 - 06/21/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Why are you deflecting? Are you really claiming that we have Christianity to thank for American secularism?



You have Christian politicians to thank for it so the answer to your question is yes.


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: lowbrow]
    #23367791 - 06/21/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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How does this paranoid nonsense not qualify as a conspiracy theory?  Belongs in forum 99 IMO.  The idea that Muslims are colluding to promote violence against non-Muslims is as ridiculous as believing that the Jews are conspiring to instill the NWO.




lol must be nice to have your head in the sand huh? It's called reality, not a conspiracy.
Jews are murderous thieves for the most part also, but this thread isn't about them.

"The religion of peace"

*edidited for brevity*



The shit goes on and on and on and fucking on.

If you're gonna spout BS at least back it with something. You're either being willfully ignorant or just have your head in the sand.




I would say that people in general are murderous thieves often enough that murder and theft are a problem for any significant group of humans.  Still, the vast majority of Muslims, Christians, Jews, bicyclists, shroomerites are just regular people and to try and paint one of these groups as being based around murder and theft is not accurate. 

That is basic bigotry and really sad to me that people are so eager to buy into this divisive brainwashing.  It almost seems like people will never learn the danger of demonizing minorities like this based on what brand of bullshit religion someone claims to subscribe to.


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: koods] * 4
    #23367811 - 06/21/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Why are you deflecting? Are you really claiming that we have Christianity to thank for American secularism?




Why are you ignoring this?

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No one in Africa likes gays anyways christian or muslim. Also do you know Boko Haram is? They're just as worst as ISIS and apparently to some statistics even worst. I hope you know what Boko Haram means? Boko Haram means "Western Education Forbidden" so everything you ever loved about western culture how they're are a lot more open to people like you is forbidden in their ideology. They literally go massacre villages with majority christians and control some land of Nigeria which is the strongest economy in Africa beating out Egypt and South Africa. Nigeria is 50% muslim and a lot of them support Boko Harams actions and want "Western Education Forbidden" which also means not tolerating gays. You live in a country where gay marriage is legal and is majority christians so why keep bitching on when literally no one is stalking you and following to kill you because you like men. In Saudi Arabia if you get caught you'll get your head chopped off in public while the crowds are cheering




100% fact.

I'm sure it's not all rainbows and roses, oh no you have to deal with stupid Christians (protip: I have to deal with them too). It could be a LOT fucking worse.

Gay marriage is legal in the US. I don't know exactly where you live (actually I have a pretty good idea). . but being gay in America in 2016 is like, accepted by like 98% of the population. Especially around major population centers.. which you are near. It's celebrated even.
You have fucking parades for it for fucks sake.
You aren't being hunted down in the street are you? Are you being publicly stoned and tortured and executed in front of cheering crowds? Because they most definitely do that in muslim countries. Have a Pride parade in Saudia Arabia.. there would be people mowing everyone down with machine guns.

Could it be better and more open? Probably... and we will probably get there eventually.
Provided we don't let tens of thousands of undocumented migrant muslims come here en masse.

But I don't think it's that bad. Granted... I'm not gay.. so I don't know how it is for sure. But I know tons of gay people and they seem to be pretty fucking happy to be gay in the US where we are free to have whatever sexual orientation/identity you want for the most part. I live in a "red" county and even here... being gay is fucking accepted by everyone. Maybe you should move to California.


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23367829 - 06/21/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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That is basic bigotry and really sad to me that people are so eager to buy into this divisive brainwashing.  It almost seems like people will never learn the danger of demonizing minorities like this based on what brand of bullshit religion someone claims to subscribe to.




Minority? :rofl:

Islam is the second largest religion on the planet.
It's estimated there's around 1.6 billion muslims, and that's from 2010. That's about 22% of the population. Some minority...

I don't discriminate based on someone's religion off the bat. But it's just cold hard fact that modern Muslims account for a very large percentage of the bloodshed, because they STILL kill people over their religion, or sexual orientation, or for looking at someone the wrong way. Christians in Africa do the same thing? Yeah, I hate Christianity for the most part too. Religion is just dangerous in general.

Maybe the "majority" of muslims are sane, peaceful people... but that doesn't cleanse the entire religion of its sins, when people are still getting their heads chopped off every fucking day for their beliefs. in 2016. Because of Islam.


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #23367879 - 06/21/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

There are plenty of right-wing "Christian" movements gaining traction around the world that commit crimes against innocent people, yet these groups are not being used as ammunition against Christians in the same way.  Violent extremism is the problem, not any one religion.  The solution is not to demonize and campaign against entire populations.

You say that you don't hate all Muslims, and I believe you, but the rhetoric used here is the same that is used by groups who do preach hate against all Muslims.  I know there are no easy answers, but just as a starting point I think that it is important to come from a place that promotes understanding and accepting of those who are different.  If we become like the extremists, the extremists win, no matter what religion we are.


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23367888 - 06/21/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I hate Christianity too, believe me. And I was raised as one. So I have plenty of first hand experience.

I pretty much say fuck all religions. But without a doubt.. Islam and Christianity are the most "problematic" ones.

Sorry but there's no "acceptance" and "love" of diverse opinions, when someone wants to chop your fucking head off for what you think or believe and WILL follow through with it.
They give not a single fuck about acceptance.

Oh.. so you want to butcher me in the street for existing... maybe if I shower you with enough love.. you will go away.. no it doesn't work like that. They will still kill you regardless of how loving and "accepting" you are.
Accept Allah or fucking die. Our way or death. That's the mantra. There's no loving these people to death.

The "problem" is religion in general. So what if some people are sane about it? That really doesn't matter.

So you have a group of murderous thieves called the FUCK YOUS. They kill your family.
But one or two guys in the group say hey, we don't actually believe in killing your family, we think that's wrong.
Then all of a sudden the FUCK YOUS are ok in your book, because a couple people are "moderate"?

Someone put it this way:

What's the difference between a radical muslim and a moderate one?
The radical extremist will execute you for your beliefs.
The moderate will just wish for the extremist to kill you.


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23367950 - 06/21/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Look, all extremists are nuts and I think all religious people are a little nuts to some degree..But to help differentiate between the ones even religious people would consider extremists and the ones that are just following what their holy book tells them..Islam needs to be reformed. It's hard for me to really say much about Africa because that's basically the most corrupt and shitty continent in the world already so it seems like they're all extremists following how Christianity was before reformation. Either way, they're defending themselves from the Muslims that are attacking them anyway. They're both fucked.

Know what would be cool? Since it's obvious that if we ever are able to get rid of religion altogether, it will be a looong time from now, I think it'd be pretty cool if there was a piece of land reserved for atheists only :lol:


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #23367977 - 06/21/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Minority? :rofl:

Islam is the second largest religion on the planet.
It's estimated there's around 1.6 billion muslims, and that's from 2010. That's about 22% of the population. Some minority...



Well yeah, 22% would definitely be a minority of the world's population.


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: psi]
    #23367990 - 06/21/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

By that rationale all religions are a minority.
Second. largest. religion. on. the. planet. Earth.


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #23367994 - 06/21/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Discrimination is going to happen. Gay people should defend themselves when discriminated against, sometimes. There are tons where you just have to avoid people.
You are trying to crate a false equivilance. These problems are only similar in that religious texts say being gaynis bad. The important part is the group of people who claim to adhere to the culture, and now they act and believe.
Until a few years ago, everyone was religious, and most of the good laws we know today were passed by Christians. It wasn't always because they were Christian they made the choices
There is a difference between someone being Christian or muslem and making a choice, and someone making a choice because they are Christian or muslem.

Look at Christian countries, look at muslem countries, look at the twin towers. Wait, something happened to them, didn't they? Something very, Muslem

It doesn't matter if all do, 99% of all terrorism around the world is done in the name of Islam. I heard a great line from the great atheism-is-unstoppable


No one ever yelled 'praise Jesus' and killed a bunch of people


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #23368004 - 06/21/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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By that rationale all religions are a minority.
Second. largest. religion. on. the. planet. Earth.



I'm just not sure what kind of definition of "minority" you're working with where 22% wouldn't qualify. There certainly are areas where Muslims do form the majority of the population locally of course.


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23368088 - 06/21/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

who is that girl in your signature?


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: Eminence]
    #23368248 - 06/21/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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...snip....

Know what would be cool? Since it's obvious that if we ever are able to get rid of religion altogether, it will be a looong time from now, I think it'd be pretty cool if there was a piece of land reserved for atheists only :lol:




:sadyes:

I would be satisfied with Mecca, Jerusalem, and Vatican City.  That's only fair. :grin:


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #23368861 - 06/22/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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No one ever yelled 'praise Jesus' and killed a bunch of people





..... Uhmm, where have you been the last several thousand years?

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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: Shroomism] * 2
    #23368875 - 06/22/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It isn't Muslims who are trying to pass laws that protect religious intolerance towards gay people. It's Christians. Christians are behind the invalidation of protection for gays in North Carolina. It is Christians who have legalized the demonization of transsexuals

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/read-this-gay-mans-letter-to-the-family-who-disowned-him-and-his-dads-hate-filled-reply/#gs.RXE3bmI


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: koods]
    #23368898 - 06/22/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Haha you're still goin. No shit, it's because Muslims are a small minority here right now, they know they can't really do shit, in Europe they have enough numbers to create their own little sharia law areas. We all realize Christians are the majority in the US. You keep pretending Christians are worse only because there's a higher population where you live, that would change if more keep moving here, but in general Muslims are worse. In Muslim countries there's no need to try to pass laws dealing with religious intolerance because everyone over there is already on board with being intolerant towards gay. This isn't about which religion is worse in America, it's about how Islam is bad in general. God damn this thread is repetitive, it's nothing but people showing how Islam is bad, and then you whining that some Christians call you names or don't want you to get married in some poor attempt to compare them and say Christians are worse. You got some kinda islamaphobia-phobia goin on or something?


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Re: This video and article should squash anyone who has any doubt left in their mind about Islam [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23368901 - 06/22/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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No one ever yelled 'praise Jesus' and killed a bunch of people





..... Uhmm, where have you been the last several thousand years?

:lolsy:




I think that was meant to differentiate between God and Jesus though. God was the one that killed people and condoned some bad shit, Jesus was basically a saint though.


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