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Re: albert hoffmans recipie for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: Fractal420]
    #23356989 - 06/18/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Tyrptamine is totally broke down by the mycelium it doesn't assimilate precursor building blocks. And that's how we can prove that even Hoffman Bullshits

People have tried putting all sorts of things in their substrate from mushrooms to DMT to tryptamine and none of it does shit

Besides that's as stupid as using really good weed as the soil for new weed



You forgot :splooge: in the bulk.

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Dont compare hofmann to edison.

Edison was a prick

It also mentions tryptamine hcl increasing psilocin to 3% (which is insane). These shrooms, you wouldnt even take a whole gram probably

Anyone out there wanna put some NN-MIPT in substrate??? Please??




Prick or not, he's was a genius for his time. Definitely smarter than you and me combined.


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Re: albert hoffmans recipie for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: Fractal420]
    #23356999 - 06/18/16 06:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

PF and shulgin were caught in their science lies long ago. Adding tryptamine to substrates does nothing. No one ever replicated those findings but what was found out was they didn't use isolates and their potencies varied by a factor of 10 anyway so they made the results sound attractive.


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Re: albert hoffmans recipie for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: Fractal420]
    #23357000 - 06/18/16 06:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

"give me the food and let me grow
let the roots men take the floor
cause all them drugs…gonna make you slow
its not the music of the ghetto!!!"


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Re: albert hoffmans recipie for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: blackout]
    #23357015 - 06/18/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

... thanks for the link,... i lost it,i coulndnt remember where i found it.

finally some positive thoughts here. lets teach the young dogs old tricks and the old dogs new ones and start a freakin psylily circusy


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Re: albert hoffmans recipie for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: mothballs]
    #23357021 - 06/18/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The old dogs in this case are dead and they would tell you that you would be an idiot to do this. Let me just spawn to some poo, get high and watch you scratch your head with confusion while laughing my ass off. It's 2016, you know?


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Re: albert hoffmans recipie for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: mothballs]
    #23357022 - 06/18/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

who caught sasha in lies,.... i wanna see it in print


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Re: albert hoffmans recipie for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23357028 - 06/18/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Still paying for the white lies of PF gratz shlugin and Hoffman

Caught how? Because they said they got xyz results and not a single replicated study after a half century. Staments even propagated the bullshit helping to keep noobs posting about this stuff.

Most of their extraction info and substrate potency stuff is 100% bull

Show me in print where a single person using an isolate confirms a single thing those guys claimed


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Re: albert Hoffman's recipe for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: mothballs]
    #23357035 - 06/18/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

do i sound confused? no, i understand it. I've never done it but understand its feasibility and wonder and dream and hope its possible As I've not yet seen it debunked, but have only heard the rumor. have you the time,knowledge, and LAB to dub albert Hoffman's work a myth and shulgans experiments exaggerated for self agrandization?


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Re: albert Hoffman's recipe for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: mothballs]
    #23357041 - 06/18/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well considering mushrooms have no vascular system and the only way for them to eat is to exogenously break down things to bring them in the cells. The whole additives to substrate thing is bunk from a molecular biology standpoint. Then there's the fact that as long as a substrate is sufficient the potency potential is determined by the genetics, we find more often than not that we make substrates TOO nutritional and it hinders performance actually.


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Re: albert Hoffman's recipe for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: mothballs]
    #23357058 - 06/18/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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i wanna see it in print




:facepalm3::facepalm::smbfacepalm::doublefacepalm::epicfacepalm::thisisterrible:

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do i sound confused? no, i understand it. I've never done it but understand its feasibility and wonder and dream and hope its possible As I've not yet seen it debunked, but have only heard the rumor. have you the time,knowledge, and LAB to dub albert Hoffman's work a myth and shulgans experiments exaggerated for self agrandization?




The fact that no one was able to replicate their "findings" makes it thoroughly debunked. You are not the first person to dream about a superior  substrate/growing medium that is magically more potent than the rest. As has been stated many times over, genetics is where it's at. A strain of mycelium cannot produce more than it is capable of regardless of what it's grown on. This is like eating only carrots to make yourself a ginger, it's just bullshit. No way around that.

This is one of those things that people are so adamant about it working yet they never come back with any actual results. If anyone should waste his time on such idiocy, it should be the believer, not the ones to be persuaded.

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On TMC it says to incubate at 81F and store colonizing jars in the dark. It's author is considered to be a mycological genius, do you see anyone of us using those methods? Nope.


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Re: albert Hoffman's recipe for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: mothballs]
    #23357060 - 06/18/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

the law has prevented us from reproducing those experiments,... then telling the world


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Re: albert Hoffman's recipe for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23357061 - 06/18/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

where do we find that?

muda's bottles are nutritious as shit (dog food, bran, coffee, etc). most cube tubs have the majority of their dry weight in grain spawn.


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Re: albert Hoffman's recipe for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: mothballs]
    #23357065 - 06/18/16 07:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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the law has prevented us from reproducing those experiments,... then telling the world




I'm pretty sure that the growers in amsterdam would have come up with something if it had any merit. Who else would be more interested in a super potent shroom if not the people who make actual profit with legal cultivation?


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Re: albert Hoffman's recipe for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23357077 - 06/18/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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where do we find that?

muda's bottles are nutritious as shit (dog food, bran, coffee, etc). most cube tubs have the majority of their dry weight in grain spawn.



Try adding a bunch of BRF and you'll get blobs with normal varieties


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Re: albert Hoffman's recipe for synthetic nutrients designed for potency( laymans terms) [Re: mothballs]
    #23357080 - 06/18/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

a combination of the two, genetics and nutrients should produce the apex of any living things potential. are you realy hypothesizing that great genetics+perfect nutrients is equal to or less than great genetics and avrage nutrition? that seems counter intuitive


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Re: albert Hoffman's recipe for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23357079 - 06/18/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

alright bod…ur the expert


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Re: albert Hoffman's recipe for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: mothballs]
    #23357082 - 06/18/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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the law has prevented us from reproducing those experiments,... then telling the world



Even with anecdotal evidence where people love to exaggerate and bullshit we still see no positive replications and I'm sure there's plenty of people that want to see it work enough they would lie and say it did. But 50 years of people trying, though not 100% scientific, some results emerge that I consider compelling despite publication


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Re: albert hoffmans recipie for synthetic nutrients designed for potentcy( laymans terms) [Re: mothballs]
    #23357083 - 06/18/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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... thanks for the link,... i lost it,i coulndnt remember where i found it.




If you look up the patents you will see Hofmann is simply one of several to sign it, he could well have had no involvement at all, and the person who did come up with it might not even be listed too.

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Publication number US3183172 A
Publication type Grant
Publication date May 11, 1965
Filing date Feb 16, 1959
Priority date Feb 21, 1958
Inventors Heim Roger, Hofmann Albert, Brack Artur, Kobel Hans, Cailleux Roger
Original Assignee Sandoz Ltd




The post about "soft agar" was calling it the "Brack & Kobel" method. Have a read of this
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7680529#7680529

If you do not want to bother growing fruitbodies I would recommend growing stones/sclerotia. Minimal equipment is needed and it is a lot easier to see if they are contaminated or not. Some here have harvested and tripped on stones that were only grown for around a month, if you are in a hurry, but they should increase in yeild and potency if left the usual 3-6 months.

I want to give growing stones on soft agar another go, it would be extremely easy to harvest and suits my own setup.


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Re: albert Hoffman's recipe for synthetic nutrients designed for potency( laymans terms) [Re: mothballs]
    #23357089 - 06/18/16 07:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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a combination of the two, genetics and nutrients should produce the apex of any living things potential. are you realy hypothesizing that great genetics+perfect nutrients is equal to or less than great genetics and avrage nutrition?



Yes mushrooms are not plants or people. They only need sufficient substrate. Any extra nutrition added doesn't help. If you use more grain spawn you need more water to get a bigger better flush or they just come out on subsequent flushes. It doesn't make the mushrooms more potent neither does it make them bigger even.


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Re: albert Hoffman's recipe for synthetic nutrients designed for potency( laymans terms) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23357094 - 06/18/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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a combination of the two, genetics and nutrients should produce the apex of any living things potential. are you realy hypothesizing that great genetics+perfect nutrients is equal to or less than great genetics and avrage nutrition?



Yes mushrooms are not plants or people. They only need sufficient substrate. Any extra nutrition added doesn't help. If you use more grain spawn you need more water to get a bigger better flush or they just come out on subsequent flushes. It doesn't make the mushrooms more potent neither does it make them bigger even.




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